Where's your cabin ?
- MountAlbert

On the Black River just north of HWY 7 between Madoc and Tweed.

I'm interested to see if and when the leafs pull the trigger on a big deal for a D. JVR makes the most sense but because he is a pending UFA soon I just don't see any team giving up a top four young D for him, I also don't think kapanen plus gets you a top four young D. I think eventually you will move nylander one for one and take a chance. The leafs hosed the Flyers in the JVR for schenn deal but it didn't exactly work out for either team in the long run, my point is you have to risk losing a trade by giving up a more sure fire winger to get a young D with potential. Wingers have the least trade value by position in hockey.
- Ross77

I say we keep the rookie who is on pace for 60 points this season and can play Centre or Wing.

I say we keep the rookie who is on pace for 60 points this season and can play Centre or Wing.
- TheMussel

Plus JVR has a year and a three quarters left.

I'm interested to see if and when the leafs pull the trigger on a big deal for a D. JVR makes the most sense but because he is a pending UFA soon I just don't see any team giving up a top four young D for him, I also don't think kapanen plus gets you a top four young D. I think eventually you will move nylander one for one and take a chance. The leafs hosed the Flyers in the JVR for schenn deal but it didn't exactly work out for either team in the long run, my point is you have to risk losing a trade by giving up a more sure fire winger to get a young D with potential. Wingers have the least trade value by position in hockey.
- Ross77

How did this not work out for the Leafs??

It will be JVR they deal. They may have to sweeten the pot.

I say we keep the rookie who is on pace for 60 points this season and can play Centre or Wing.
- TheMussel

Hey I get it, I just don't see any of the trade proposals on here from leaf fans ever happening. Maybe JVR for Fowler cause their contracts expire at the same time but that's about it. Top 4 young D are probably the hardest to acquire and cost the most. See Jones for johansem or hall for Larson.

How did this not work out for the Leafs??

It will be JVR they deal. They may have to sweeten the pot.
- fifty__missions

For Hamilton? Then don't do it.
Wait 10 more game and lets see where the Leafs are then.
They are playing really well and could have had 6-8 more points if they didn't throw away all those leads.

Hey I get it, I just don't see any of the trade proposals on here from leaf fans ever happening. Maybe JVR for Fowler cause their contracts expire at the same time but that's about it. Top 4 young D are probably the hardest to acquire and cost the most. See Jones for johansem or hall for Larson.
- Ross77

I don't make trade proposals for young D men because I don't want to pay the price for a young d-man right now.

I think the Leafs shouldn't target an expensive young d-man right now.

How did this not work out for the Leafs??

It will be JVR they deal. They may have to sweeten the pot.
- fifty__missions

i

It didn't work out for either team because neither team has won anything or even came close. I focus on team success more than individual stats when judging trades.

I don't make trade proposals for young D men because I don't want to pay the price for a young d-man right now.

I think the Leafs shouldn't target an expensive young d-man right now.
- TheMussel

Ok, makes sense

i

It didn't work out for either team because neither team has won anything or even came close. I focus on team success more than individual stats when judging trades.
- Ross77

I'm sorry, but that rationale doesn't make sense. What you're saying essentially is that any trade that doesn't lead directly to a Stanley Cup is pointless or means that it "didn't work out"?

Faulty logic, my friend. Its an important part of building towards success.

i

It didn't work out for either team because neither team has won anything or even came close. I focus on team success more than individual stats when judging trades.
- Ross77

Then 95% of all trades would be deemed failures.

awesome, where exactly are you going?!
- Lucas.Neilson

I'll be in Hamilton

I'm sorry, but that rationale doesn't make sense. What you're saying essentially is that any trade that doesn't lead to a Stanley Cup is pointless?

Faulty logic, my friend. Its an important part of building towards success.
- fifty__missions

Damn you and your fast typing, Fiftser!

Ok, makes sense
- Ross77

Sorry if the repetitiveness came off bumhole-ish, not my intention.

Anywho the rationale for me is the following:

- Leafs have pushed the draft and develop strategy as well as patience, which should still be the attitude going forward
- This team is likely not going to compete even with the addition of a young d-man right away
- Getting a d-man right now is more expensive than after deadline and playoffs start when the expansion picture becomes more clear
- D-man prices will go down as we start to figure out who gets exposed
- If we get a d-man now, chances are that Carrick (who in my mind is an NHL defenseman on many teams, and is also young and may increase in ability) gets picked up by Vegas for nothing in return
- We have some young guys that look good that could fill the spot in years to come

Hey I get it, I just don't see any of the trade proposals on here from leaf fans ever happening. Maybe JVR for Fowler cause their contracts expire at the same time but that's about it. Top 4 young D are probably the hardest to acquire and cost the most. See Jones for johansem or hall for Larson.
- Ross77

Why is it in Toronto we always want to trade our best players?
I wish everyone would just stop it with the JVR trade talk, and be patient for Dermott or Neilson or whoever to mature.
Or trade one of the next tier of guys with potential like Brown or Leivo or Leipsic for a young D man with potential and hope to get lucky.
We traded Kessel and Phaneuf for nothing in return so far, like it or not at the time our best forward and d-man.
Why not extend JVR and let him do his thing. He is not exactly old like Backes or Ladd or some of the other free agents.

Great day for a trade with Calgary.
- mykokes

I tried that a few days ago....didnt work.
Not specifically with Calgary though

Sorry if the repetitiveness came off bumhole-ish, not my intention.

Anywho the rationale for me is the following:

- Leafs have pushed the draft and develop strategy as well as patience, which should still be the attitude going forward
- This team is likely not going to compete even with the addition of a young d-man right away
- Getting a d-man right now is more expensive than after deadline and playoffs start when the expansion picture becomes more clear
- D-man prices will go down as we start to figure out who gets exposed
- If we get a d-man now, chances are that Carrick gets picked up by Vegas for nothing in return
- We have some young guys that look good that could fill the spot in years to come
- TheMussel

Here's the only reason I would entertain trading for a d-man right now:

Are we holding back some kids who would benefit from more ice time if we traded JVR?

I think the answer is probably "no", but I think it's something that should be pondered.

Bobby Mac was on the radio this morning, and he was suggesting that there are a couple of NHL-ready forwards who are toiling away on the Marlies right now.

Why is it in Toronto we always want to trade our best players?
I wish everyone would just stop it with the JVR trade talk, and be patient for Dermott or Neilson or whoever to mature.
Or trade one of the next tier of guys with potential like Brown or Leivo or Leipsic for a young D man with potential and hope to get lucky.
We traded Kessel and Phaneuf for nothing in return so far, like it or not at the time our best forward and d-man.
Why not extend JVR and let him do his thing. He is not exactly old like Backes or Ladd or some of the other free agents.
- Rang

JVR will soon not be one of our best players.

i

It didn't work out for either team because neither team has won anything or even came close. I focus on team success more than individual stats when judging trades.
- Ross77

Well then most trades in the nhl wouldnt work for either team.

The trade worked for the leafs cause they got rid of an absolute garbage dman and got back a good top line winger.

Why is it in Toronto we always want to trade our best players?
I wish everyone would just stop it with the JVR trade talk, and be patient for Dermott or Neilson or whoever to mature.
Or trade one of the next tier of guys with potential like Brown or Leivo or Leipsic for a young D man with potential and hope to get lucky.
We traded Kessel and Phaneuf for nothing in return so far, like it or not at the time our best forward and d-man.
Why not extend JVR and let him do his thing. He is not exactly old like Backes or Ladd or some of the other free agents.
- Rang

Toronto is a bizarre sports town.

We hate our best players, but worship 4th liners who work hard (even if that hard work has no actual effect on the game).

I'm interested to see if and when the leafs pull the trigger on a big deal for a D. JVR makes the most sense but because he is a pending UFA soon I just don't see any team giving up a top four young D for him, I also don't think kapanen plus gets you a top four young D. I think eventually you will move nylander one for one and take a chance. The leafs hosed the Flyers in the JVR for schenn deal but it didn't exactly work out for either team in the long run, my point is you have to risk losing a trade by giving up a more sure fire winger to get a young D with potential. Wingers have the least trade value by position in hockey.
- Ross77

thanks for sharing your thoughts but I feel the Leafs will undoubtedly hold onto Nylander from here on out.

This isn't a management group that is in any immediate rush, they are still developing most of the players they have drafted.

I'd also say the plan is moving along quicker than expected with the play of Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Zaitsev and the vastly improved goaltending from Andersen.

i

It didn't work out for either team because neither team has won anything or even came close. I focus on team success more than individual stats when judging trades.
- Ross77

Whatever makes you feel better.

Brian Burke on Leafs lunch about Hamilton

Toronto is a bizarre sports town.

We hate our best players, but worship 4th liners who work hard (even if that hard work has no actual effect on the game).
- Atomic Wedgie

On good teams, 4th line players no longer have "no actual effect" on the game. 4th lines have become a vital part of championship teams over the last 8-10 years.

But in general I agree - we love our lunchbucket guys in T.O.

antenna.. its CBC!
- CanadianBodmon

I believe that when the CRTC demanded they switch from analog to digital, CBC did not convert all of their transmitters and then on Dec 31, 2012 stopped all analog transmission. The result is that outside of Toronto and Ottawa and some other areas, you can no longer get any CBC OTA signal. for example I live in London, and as far as I know, there is no OTA CBC signal available here.