A client brought her kid. She's not very good at controlling him. Though I expect nothing less from a pink haired mom with a kid named Dorian.
- AdamFrench

Is Dorian a goalie?

Because it would be so awesome if you were the opposing team coach, and you told your kids to screen Dorian.

So you want the JFJ regime back too?
- mykokes

https://www.thestar.com/s...anucks-in-fight-fest.html

I'm sure he was viewed the same way Rinat Valiev is viewed by the Leafs right now. And scroll back, Valiev, Nielsen and Dermott were all guys I wanted to get a cup of coffee this season, and all are the same age or younger than Brodie was when he spent his first season in the AHL.
- mykokes

I dont drink coffee so the analogy was lost on me.
Anyway, I dont want to trade Nylander....Id prefer to keep him.
I just know you have to give up quality to get quality.
I hope our young prospect D turn into what we hope.

But we have quite a bit of forward depth. some will be moved. Who? dunno.

No clue its only 20 some odd games.....
He game out of gates fast.
My expectation for Nylander was 40 - 50pts this year if he played on the top two lines consistently.
Anything more is gravy.
For Marner it was the same.
Matthews its 45 - 55pts

But maybe, we trade for a Dman and he comes here and babs turns whoever it is into a top line D player...who knows...it could happen. so many variables.
- Fakepartofme

Ps. I'm just debating with you, you make good points fake. Especially the high cost of d in trades in general because they're so hard to find. So my question is, do you think the high cost of d justifies these trades, or do you think a team looking to capitalize can really use drafting d in an opportune way the same way MLB teams started drafting pitchers for this reason.

What I mean is, we have the forwards positions well stacked....Maybe we should go hard at drafting as many d-men as possible, knowing that because they're in such high demand, that even if we have too many we can capitalize on them via trades down the line.

Keep drafting
- TheMussel

Ok
the team will never stop drafting....it happens every year.

is Holland being moved?

to the minor or to another team?


humm could he be sent to Calgary in a package for Mr. Hamilton?


oh the drama!

I really need a translator...I don't think my previous post was very coherent.

I'm hoping the Leafs target Ryan Miller, Troy Stecher, Daniel Sedin and Alex Burrows of the Canucks.






Again.
- Atomic Wedgie

Ps. I'm just debating with you, you make good points fake. Especially the high cost of d in trades in general because they're so hard to find. So my question is, do you think the high cost of d justifies these trades, or do you think a team looking to capitalize can really use drafting d in an opportune way the same way MLB teams started drafting pitchers for this reason.
- mykokes

I would love to draft a top 4 dman.....and we may have....wont know for a while though.
I just find, forwards are easier to replace than D...hence the cost. We need another quality D to help our current young D out.
If lou can do it without costing a roster player.....awesome!

is Holland being moved?

to the minor or to another team?


humm could he be sent to Calgary in a package for Mr. Hamilton?


oh the drama!
- zazzle

Him, Leipsic and Kappanen would be optimal.. not enough?
Him Kappanen and a first...

This holland stuff is weird.

I just wish they'd play him instead of crap like smith.

This holland stuff is weird.

I just wish they'd play him instead of crap like smith.
- burn

Babcock has these poopty toys that he loves. Smith is one of them. Hunwick is another

1m
Darren Dreger‏ @DarrenDreger
Holland saga is interesting. My sense..he absolutely wanted to go on Leafs trip west in hopes of playing. Seems like trade or waivers next.
- Santo_44

Well thanks Dreger! Such insight!

I dont drink coffee so the analogy was lost on me.
Anyway, I dont want to trade Nylander....Id prefer to keep him.
I just know you have to give up quality to get quality.
I hope our young prospect D turn into what we hope.

But we have quite a bit of forward depth. some will be moved. Who? dunno.
- Fakepartofme

The cost of players will go down considerably this trade deadline. Teams that cannot protect enough players, plus Vegas taking on salary to reach the cap floor will start a trading frenzy not seen in years. I wouldn't trade Nylander either.

Kappanen + Holland + a (SJS) 2nd rounder for Mr. Hamilton. ??

Kappanen + Holland + a (SJS) 2nd rounder for Mr. Hamilton. ??



- zazzle

Too much.

Swap Kapanen and the OTT 2nd rounder and its the same value CGY gave up for him

Babcock has these poopty toys that he loves. Smith is one of them. Hunwick is another
- WingmanWillie

Did in Detroit as well apparently. I don't get it.

The cost of players will go down considerably this trade deadline. Teams that cannot protect enough players, plus Vegas taking on salary to reach the cap floor will start a trading frenzy not seen in years. I wouldn't trade Nylander either.
- winsix

The Leafs are in a spot now where playoffs are possible, You sure that that should be given up.
1 above average defenseman will make the them a lot better.

Exactly.
Top 4 D will cost you.
- Fakepartofme

But then how do you get the top 6 winger back? By trading one of your top 4 D?

The point is you have to draft your top 6F and top 4D players or UFA. To get one or the other via trade leaves a self perpetuating hole. (*ask Weirdoh about this )

We start drafting D now, in a couple of years the cupboards are full for both F and D.

To do it right and since D takes longer than F, you should start at D but when the Leafs started drafting, instead of trading draft picks, the BPA has been a forward for the past few years. So now they need to go BDA for a few years and hope the timing works.

If anything, you trade JVR and the 1st Round pick. JVR is older than the new core of forwards and the pick used on a D is 3/4 years away from the NHL....even Rielly is still developing.

So you do JVR and 1st for D. Hamilton and a 2nd or good prospect.

I really need a translator...I don't think my previous post was very coherent.
- mykokes

we just need some beers in us to comprehend

Well thanks Dreger! Such insight!
- Scabeh

Very transaction, wow

Too much.

Swap Kapanen and the OTT 2nd rounder and its the same value CGY gave up for him
- WingmanWillie

ya but that doesnt mean offering the same now gets him.

But then how do you get the top 6 winger back? By trading one of your top 4 D?

The point is you have to draft your top 6F and top 4D players or UFA, to get one or the other via trade leaves a self perpetuating hole.

We start drafting D now, in a couple of years the cupboards are full for both F and D.

To do it right and since D takes longer than F, you should start there but when the Leafs started drafting instead of trading draft picks the BPA was a forward for the past few years. So now they need to go BDA for a few years and hope the timing works.

If anything, you trade JVR and the 1st Round pick. JVR is older than the new core of forwards and the pick used on a D is 3/4 years away from the NHL....even Rielly is still developing.

So you do JVR and 1st for D. Hamilton and a 2nd or good prospect.
- underhill14

And a 1st?


That's craziness.

This holland stuff is weird.

I just wish they'd play him instead of crap like smith.
- burn

They need some closure on guys like Holland, Leivo, and Corrado. Can't be doing them any favours around the league with the players.

But then how do you get the top 6 winger back? By trading one of your top 4 D?

The point is you have to draft your top 6F and top 4D players or UFA, to get one or the other via trade leaves a self perpetuating hole.

We start drafting D now, in a couple of years the cupboards are full for both F and D.

To do it right and since D takes longer than F, you should start there but when the Leafs started drafting instead of trading draft picks the BPA was a forward for the past few years. So now they need to go BDA for a few years and hope the timing works.

If anything, you trade JVR and the 1st Round pick. JVR is older than the new core of forwards and the pick used on a D is 3/4 years away from the NHL....even Rielly is still developing.

So you do JVR and 1st for D. Hamilton and a 2nd or good prospect.
- underhill14

You still need the older players, specially the one of JVR's ilk.