He'll likely go to a club who have a surplus d-man... perhaps one with a larger contract.
- BorjeFan4Ever

He'll be a golden shower..... errr.. knight

Unfortunately, sooner or later the advanced stats guys are going to invent the JVR Quantification - an advanced analytic that examines how many times he is successful when doing that stupid twirly move with the puck between his legs by the side of the net.

And as JVR will have the lowest JVR Quantification reading in the history of the JVR Quantification stat, we won't be able to trade him to Florida or Arizona.
- Atomic Wedgie

it was a high price to to acquire him. 2nd rnd to Anaheim.
- zazzle

true... but at that time it was Burke/Nonis... they were giving away 2nd round picks like candy...

look what Bolland, Bernier and others cost.

in this case we can't look at the return so directly.... most clubs know what a 2nd is worth now...

it was a high price to to acquire him. 2nd rnd to Anaheim.
- zazzle

true... but at that time it was Burke/Nonis... they were giving away 2nd round picks like candy...

look what Bolland, Bernier and others cost.

in this case we can't look at the return so directly.... most clubs know what a 2nd is worth now...

Of course they have - analytics is essentially an attempt to extract meaningful conclusions from all available data in order to gain a competitive advantage. I can't believe that it took this long.
- lumlums

you forgot to include how all the available data is inconsistently collected

Unfortunately, sooner or later the advanced stats guys are going to invent the JVR Quantification - an advanced analytic that examines how many times he is successful when doing that stupid twirly move with the puck between his legs by the side of the net.

And as JVR will have the lowest JVR Quantification reading in the history of the JVR Quantification stat, we won't be able to trade him to Florida or Arizona.
- Atomic Wedgie

personally, I'm more worried that the ASG (Advanced Stats Guys) will correct the model and Jake Gardiner will no longer be a top 10 d-man in the league

true... but at that time it was Burke/Nonis... they were giving away 2nd round picks like candy...

look what Bolland, Bernier and others cost.

in this case we can't look at the return so directly.... most clubs know what a 2nd is worth now...
- BorjeFan4Ever

burke nonis
Carlyle
Wilson
god they were all atrocious!!

personally, I'm more worried that the ASG (Advanced Stats Guys) will correct the model and Jake Gardiner will no longer be a top 10 d-man in the league
- BorjeFan4Ever

No chance, if hitting is now something that hurts your team, ol' Jake there just rose a few pegs in the rankings.

you forgot to include how all the available data is inconsistently collected
- BorjeFan4Ever

There's lots of better (and proprietary) methods of collecting data now - lots of it is done electronically and then verified. Companies such as sportlogiq and stathletes are 2 such examples who then provide data back to NHL teams (among others).

Of course they have - analytics is essentially an attempt to extract meaningful conclusions from all available data in order to gain a competitive advantage. I can't believe that it took this long.
- lumlums

Stats are great, and I sincerely hope that some of the advanced stats guys are actually doing what you mentioned instead of collecting data for a single data point and then attempting to make extrapolations and grand conclusion from that single data point.

true... but at that time it was Burke/Nonis... they were giving away 2nd round picks like candy...

look what Bolland, Bernier and others cost.

in this case we can't look at the return so directly.... most clubs know what a 2nd is worth now...
- BorjeFan4Ever

Two 4th round picks and a 6th round pick?

Because that's Dubas' asking price for our 2nd round picks...

There's lots of better (and proprietary) methods of collecting data now - lots of it is done electronically and then verified. Companies such as sportlogiq and stathletes are 2 such examples who then provide data back to NHL teams (among others).
- lumlums

The one thing I'm very interested in is the really advanced tech they screwed around with at the all-star game - sewing chips in the jerseys so they can monitor speed and positioning.

I think that poop will be very interesting once they get it up and running - and will launch a huge Hockeybuzz debate as to whether player A skating X amount per game is better or worse than player B, who skates X-100 meters.

The one thing I'm very interested in is the really advanced tech they screwed around with at the all-star game - sewing chips in the jerseys so they can monitor speed and positioning.

I think that poop will be very interesting once they get it up and running - and will launch a huge Hockeybuzz debate as to whether player A skating X amount per game is better or worse than player B, who skates X-100 meters.
- Atomic Wedgie

you forgot to include how all the available data is inconsistently collected
- BorjeFan4Ever

You used to be able to sort the NHL's "realtime" stats by home and away on their stats page.

But they disabled it about 2 years ago.

I strongly suspect it is because it was embarrassing - the discrepancies between home and away stats for some teams was too large to be explained by merely being away from home.

I remember one team had 3 times as many hits at home as away.

You used to be able to sort the NHL's "realtime" stats by home and away on their stats page.

But they disabled it about 2 years ago.

I strongly suspect it is because it was embarrassing - the discrepancies between home and away stats for some teams was too large to be explained by merely being away from home.

I remember one team had 3 times as many hits at home as away.
- Atomic Wedgie

It's ok, you can say it was the Leafs.

He'll be a golden shower..... errr.. knight
- TheMussel

I came back at the right time.

Oh, wait, you meant Knight. Nvm.

It's ok, you can say it was the Leafs.
- markmark

Actually, I seem to recall that the statisticians at the ACC undercounted on most categories - for both sides.

Two 4th round picks and a 6th round pick?

Because that's Dubas' asking price for our 2nd round picks...
- Atomic Wedgie

Ya but Dubas is a genius and we didnt need those 2nd rounders......cause....well......apparently we didnt.

Ya but Dubas is a genius and we didnt need those 2nd rounders......cause....well......apparently we didnt.
- Fakepartofme

So, are we hating Dubas now? Sweet.

Ya but Dubas is a genius and we didnt need those 2nd rounders......cause....well......apparently we didnt.
- Fakepartofme

why is everyone ragging on Dubas...

he didn't make the Bernier trade, he didn't trade for Bolland?

what am I missing here?

why is everyone ragging on Dubas...

he didn't make the Bernier trade, he didn't trade for Bolland?

what am I missing here?
- BorjeFan4Ever

Because I'm bored as frank.

So, are we hating Dubas now? Sweet.
- Steven_Seagull

I'm not getting this... I don't believe have made a poor personnel choice/move since he's been around...

and someone conned the Sharks out of two 2nd rounders (I believe that's true) and a 4th for Polak, Spalling and Reimer...

Because I'm bored as frank.
- Atomic Wedgie

well then... as long as there's a good reason for it.

So, are we hating Dubas now? Sweet.
- Steven_Seagull

Dubois

Actually, I seem to recall that the statisticians at the ACC undercounted on most categories - for both sides.
- Atomic Wedgie

It was the Islanders and Detroit that had huge discrepancies from home and away stats. They were very "generous" on hits and takeaways for the home team.