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ikeane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Joined: 11.04.2005

Nov 29 @ 5:23 AM ET
Each of these guys has expiring contracts and play on teams lower in the standings. The Blackhawks would need to go with a 22 person roster and the trading partner would need to keep up to 50% of the salary. Depending on the three players they subtract from the roster, they might be able to afford someone with a contract as high as . I wish they could trade the retained Scuderi salary but I don't think they can. Here is a short list:

Drew Stafford - Winnipeg $4.35m
Chris Thorburn - Winnipeg $1.2m
Thomas Vanek - Detroit $2.6m
Tomas Tatar - Detroit $2.75m
Shane Doan - Arizona $3.9m
Martin Hanzel - Arizona $3.1m (C)
Kris Versteeg - Calgary $950k
Alexandre Burrows - Vancouver - $4.5m

would you want any of them as a rental?

- matt_ahrens


Tatar looked great with Hossa. Put him with Tazer and Hoss
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Nov 29 @ 8:36 AM ET
The contracts are the cost of winning three cups before they were 27 years old of age. if the salary cap ever went up a significant amount, those two contracts wouldn't be so bad
- frafra


I'm totatlly with you on this.
So tired of the idea, kane & Toews and their agent should have come in bowed to GMsStan, offering to forgo the fact they basically could have SIGNED anywhere, and low struggling teams (on ice and box office) would have come in and offered more.
Their abilities and track record are not some glossed over part of the attractiveness of both players as UFA-give up nothing but $$$ options for clubs like this.
(Just look at what teams paid this UFA buying spree...holy continue to make Ladd richer!)

Everyone seems to also ignore the fact that EVERYONE thought that CAP was gonna keep on an upward rise.

I boasted here years ago, who panties should unknotted on even the Bickell deal because I had read in severla relaible places that the Cap was going to uncrease to triple digits even dup to 125 million with the bottom end not being raised.

And whether it is Bickell, Kane or Toews, when you win, lead by example and team to win Cups, and Cap stagnates, there are two options:
Start trading the elite guys and start your rebuild.
Or PAY the elite for what they have accomplished and start scrambling to find new homes for your Buffs, Ladds, and ALL the rest.

If the Hawks hadn't won, sure, the situation would give StanBo a bit more negotiating leverage.

But don't delude yourself thinking Stevie Y in Tampa hypnotized his re-ups and their agents.That was more about the GROUP wanst to win TOGETHER and stay together to attempt to win...the taste was in their mouths they went 7 games and turned up one win short, the same way the Kings deflection off Leddy came the 'hawks a feeling & reason to continue to play hard the next playoof for each other.

Kucherov and his agents will both agree he took far less than he could have gotten playing for the Islanders...but when that deal is up and if the Lightning hasn't won a Cup, I am prety sure Kucherov will be among a group of Bolts much more ready to bolt.

It is simply ridiculous to think any teams true stars (when they are REAL elite stars, not publicity generated top players sold as elite) after winning a Cup are not going to be rewarded, especially after three CUPs.

and I know this idea (again with Brent Burns resign) are easily able of criticism.
...and that was ONE Cup.

But the idea is part of the NHL organization structures...
when there were six teams many players were tarde dbecause they wanted a few more dollars, but even then the elite stars weren't sent packing.

Subban trades s are rare occurences and if there is a chance a team can get close to a REAL difference maker both on and off the ce, they try.

Remember all that talk the hawks were tring to also convine Suter AND maybe even Parise to sign here instead of Minny?

Hindsight is easy when applied to Minny, or when taser gets a few games off.

I am just so tired of it.
I can't control Toews age, production or what you guys think you see.
But I can can understand and deal with the reality.

and spending your time at work instead of working to tell me again how it was a crappy 10.5 mil spent, well, I am tired of hearing it.
I can't change it,
you can't change it,
and the discussion in my world have little to do with the games I am watching.

You see any other teams pushing the pace like the hawks?

Most games I wacth (when Hawks are playing) the teams look slower than my regular hawk viewings.

that what stands out...not TOEWS, his contract or Stan's ineptitude.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Nov 29 @ 9:19 AM ET
So the NHL players promoting ONNIT are Toews, Keith and Ladd...all having off years.
I wonder if the Hawks nutritionist pushes this stuff or if he can get the guys to stop using it.

- waitforawhistle



Doubtful, there is big $$$ behind ONNIT. Probably came about via the agent.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Nov 29 @ 9:20 AM ET
I'm totatlly with you on this.
So tired of the idea, kane & Toews and their agent should have come in bowed to GMsStan, offering to forgo the fact they basically could have SIGNED anywhere, and low struggling teams (on ice and box office) would have come in and offered more.
Their abilities and track record are not some glossed over part of the attractiveness of both players as UFA-give up nothing but $$$ options for clubs like this.
(Just look at what teams paid this UFA buying spree...holy continue to make Ladd richer!)

Everyone seems to also ignore the fact that EVERYONE thought that CAP was gonna keep on an upward rise.

I boasted here years ago, who panties should unknotted on even the Bickell deal because I had read in severla relaible places that the Cap was going to uncrease to triple digits even dup to 125 million with the bottom end not being raised.

And whether it is Bickell, Kane or Toews, when you win, lead by example and team to win Cups, and Cap stagnates, there are two options:
Start trading the elite guys and start your rebuild.
Or PAY the elite for what they have accomplished and start scrambling to find new homes for your Buffs, Ladds, and ALL the rest.

If the Hawks hadn't won, sure, the situation would give StanBo a bit more negotiating leverage.

But don't delude yourself thinking Stevie Y in Tampa hypnotized his re-ups and their agents.That was more about the GROUP wanst to win TOGETHER and stay together to attempt to win...the taste was in their mouths they went 7 games and turned up one win short, the same way the Kings deflection off Leddy came the 'hawks a feeling & reason to continue to play hard the next playoof for each other.

Kucherov and his agents will both agree he took far less than he could have gotten playing for the Islanders...but when that deal is up and if the Lightning hasn't won a Cup, I am prety sure Kucherov will be among a group of Bolts much more ready to bolt.

It is simply ridiculous to think any teams true stars (when they are REAL elite stars, not publicity generated top players sold as elite) after winning a Cup are not going to be rewarded, especially after three CUPs.

and I know this idea (again with Brent Burns resign) are easily able of criticism.
...and that was ONE Cup.

But the idea is part of the NHL organization structures...
when there were six teams many players were tarde dbecause they wanted a few more dollars, but even then the elite stars weren't sent packing.

Subban trades s are rare occurences and if there is a chance a team can get close to a REAL difference maker both on and off the ce, they try.

Remember all that talk the hawks were tring to also convine Suter AND maybe even Parise to sign here instead of Minny?

Hindsight is easy when applied to Minny, or when taser gets a few games off.

I am just so tired of it.
I can't control Toews age, production or what you guys think you see.
But I can can understand and deal with the reality.

and spending your time at work instead of working to tell me again how it was a crappy 10.5 mil spent, well, I am tired of hearing it.
I can't change it,
you can't change it,
and the discussion in my world have little to do with the games I am watching.

You see any other teams pushing the pace like the hawks?

Most games I wacth (when Hawks are playing) the teams look slower than my regular hawk viewings.

that what stands out...not TOEWS, his contract or Stan's ineptitude.

- wiz1901


Here's a prediction for you Wiz - Connor McDavid and his agent will definitely not be walking into Peter Chiarelli's office next year and offering to play for less than the maximum salary permitted by the CBA because he wants the poor old Oilers and their fans to win so badly. It will be "pay it for 8 years Peter or trade me right f'n now."

And then the Oilers fans can waste millions of keystrokes on how greedy he is, just like Toews, Kane, Kopitar and PK Subban were.

And Habs fans will be doing the same scripture writing when Carey Price gets what he deserves to be paid for carrying that mediocre squad on his back for as long as he has.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Nov 29 @ 9:21 AM ET
Hey JJ, are we going to start getting some trade rumors (or rumours, for the Canadians) anytime soon? Thanksgiving has come and gone, TVR is almost ready to play again, Blackhawks still haven't found a LW to play with The Captain. Anything out there? Thanks!
- matt_ahrens


Not hearing as much this year as in years past. I would expect something something more in February. Otherwise, real quiet.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Nov 29 @ 9:23 AM ET
Every vertebrate needs 90 essential nutrients. These guys sweat out all there minerals and replace them with none (water ), 2, (Gatorade) 6, (poweraide ). The body needs 90.

In the case of Bickell, M.S. is a nutritional deficiency. He is probably on a low cholesterol diet and sweats out all his other nutrients. He should eat 8 to 10 eggs a day (cooked soft ) and take 90 essential nutrients. The facts are out there.

- hocktock



Gonna disagree there. Auto-immune disorders are a bit more complicated than that, genetics factor in hugely, although there is some emerging evidence that nutrition plays a role in the management of some AI disorders, and certainly plays a role on some level (although not prophylactically) in AI disorders of the gastric tract such as Crohn's.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Nov 29 @ 9:24 AM ET
He ate 50. Hard boiled is good for protein not for cholesterol. Cholesterol is good. 75% of the brain is 90% cholesterol. It's good for low t, as well.
- hocktock


Correct. Cholesterol is your friend. Inflammation and sugar are the enemies.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Nov 29 @ 9:25 AM ET
JJ, in the age of video scouting do you think the reason for the constant line blending migt have to do with the same positives of keeping lines intact? i.e., chemistry and timing, predictability?

I have seen it with Tarasenko where players pass up scoring chances to force passes to him. Defenders glance over to where Tarasenko is when covering Lehtera when he has the puck and cheat on their positioning accordingly.

Everyone knows about Tarasenko's cutback move so they play him expecting it.

Could this happen to full lines when you know the line is going to okay the puck to certain areas and you just have to cheat to those areas to render them ineffective?

- BluemanGuruu


Definitely, and most good coaches/scouts don't need video to see it.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Nov 29 @ 9:26 AM ET
Looks like he sensed we were talking around the topic - from his Instagram this evening:



Pictured is "Beyond Training" by Ben Greenfield, who promises on his Website to train you to be superhuman

Tazer (and apparently Keith) loves his new age-y gurus who also happen to be masterful self-promoters. Just hope they aren't taken in by any modern-day snake oil salesmen pitching anything harmful. I'm sure rich, superstar athletes are prime targets for people promoting health programs.

- pdx2ord


The Paleo Solution by my friend, Robb Wolf. Also, Dr. Mike Hart (who reads and comments here) is one of the leading bio-nutrition experts in Canada.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Nov 29 @ 9:27 AM ET
Thanks for Dano. He's been awesome. Already better than Ladd.
- Rexypoo



If they use him the right way, he can be a very good offensive hockey player.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Nov 29 @ 9:39 AM ET
Thanks for Dano. He's been awesome. Already better than Ladd.
- Rexypoo



Glad to see you are enjoying what must be Colorado-like legalization laws wherever you live...

Come visit again when you are cogent.
hocktock
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Over by dere.
Joined: 07.15.2015

Nov 29 @ 10:02 AM ET
MS is not a "nutritional deficiency" atleast not in making some widespread blanket claim like you did. Seriously people, just because someone says it on the internet doesn't make it true. Sure, Vitamin D and B12 may play into it, but to make a claim like that is just stupid. The facts aren't out there and Bickell certainly isn't going to change things by being on a low cholesterol diet all of a sudden.
- HawkFan27


Most chronic illnesses are nutritional deficiencies and can be reversed. You'd be shocked.

GO HOCKS

HawkFan27
Joined: 11.10.2008

Nov 29 @ 10:17 AM ET
Most chronic illnesses are nutritional deficiencies and can be reversed. You'd be shocked.

GO HOCKS

- hocktock


No. Once again, just no.

MS cannot be reversed. Nutrition may help manage symptoms but that's simply just healthy eating and living doing its job.

What is going to manage MS, atleast slow its progression, is medication. They are making huge strides in the medication whether it is an infusion, shot, or pill. There is no cure for MS and it cannot be reversed, though I continue to hold out hope and monitor the progression that they make towards that cure.
hocktock
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Over by dere.
Joined: 07.15.2015

Nov 29 @ 11:00 AM ET
No. Once again, just no.

MS cannot be reversed. Nutrition may help manage symptoms but that's simply just healthy eating and living doing its job.

What is going to manage MS, atleast slow its progression, is medication. They are making huge strides in the medication whether it is an infusion, shot, or pill. There is no cure for MS and it cannot be reversed, though I continue to hold out hope and monitor the progression that they make towards that cure.

- HawkFan27


Drugs don't cure anything, (Save antibiotics) they simply manage symptoms. If this is a topic you wish to pursue, pm me and I we can talk. To keep it sports related you can google bb star Theo Ratliff and see how nutrition saved his career after injuries caused by nutritional deficiencies.
HawkFan27
Joined: 11.10.2008

Nov 29 @ 11:23 AM ET
Drugs don't cure anything, (Save antibiotics) they simply manage symptoms. If this is a topic you wish to pursue, pm me and I we can talk. To keep it sports related you can google bb star Theo Ratliff and see how nutrition saved his career after injuries caused by nutritional deficiencies.
- hocktock


Theo Ratliff didn't/doesn't have MS. It is completely unrelated. MS is not a nutritional disease.

Will be the last I say on this and no, I don't wish to pursue via PM.
hocktock
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Over by dere.
Joined: 07.15.2015

Nov 29 @ 11:35 AM ET
Theo Ratliff didn't/doesn't have MS. It is completely unrelated. MS is not a nutritional disease.

Will be the last I say on this and no, I don't wish to pursue via PM.

- HawkFan27


O.K. then. I guess we'll just have to say you're correct. I thought it might be personal for you and that I could help. I said "to keep it sports related ".... Anyway, you're right. I'm wrong. I hope there's a new blog up soon.

GO HOCKS
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