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MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Nov 23 @ 7:55 AM ET
I thought the exclusive UFA window was before the draft. Because teams can talk to UFAs in the week prior to July 1.
- BetterCallSaul


you are right
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Nov 23 @ 7:56 AM ET
I thought the exclusive UFA window was before the draft. Because teams can talk to UFAs in the week prior to July 1.
- BetterCallSaul


one week or 2 days.. either/or its after the expansion draft which is on the 21st
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Nov 23 @ 7:57 AM ET
lol.
you really should read the last rules on NHL and the expansion draft.
Las Vegas can speak 18/19 June with pending FAs.
If they agree on a contract, then the player's old team is 'freed' from losing another player in expansion draft.
So if Leafs want to keep Polak, they either offer him a new contract before 19th of June, or protect him in expansion draft and have 22nd june - 1st July to negotiate a new contract with him.
Both scenarios very unlikely to happen of course.

- MaximusAurelius


either or... why the (frank) would they take polak?

rules be damned, thats not happening
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Nov 23 @ 7:57 AM ET
I don't know. I think the best play is to leave Bozak exposed. I don't think you will garner much for him via a trade. Losing him in the draft in deleting his contract wouldn't have a profound negative impact on this team.
- BetterCallSaul


Good deadline trade bait for a team heading to the playoffs and a bonus player to expose if necessary
BetterCallSaul
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Captain Morgan Rielly
Joined: 05.07.2013

Nov 23 @ 8:02 AM ET
Good deadline trade bait for a team heading to the playoffs and a bonus player to expose if necessary
- TheMussel

Maybe. I think he could act as a good shield for teams trying to sneak players through the draft. He's a known commodity and Vegas will need centres. Depends on if LV wants players with term control or if they want to be more competitive out of the gate.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Nov 23 @ 8:08 AM ET
Maybe. I think he could act as a good shield for teams trying to sneak players through the draft. He's a known commodity and Vegas will need centres. Depends on if LV wants players with term control or if they want to be more competitive out of the gate.
- BetterCallSaul


the center position... you are bang on... any decent centers exposed are going to have a very good chance of being picked
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Nov 23 @ 8:08 AM ET
lol.
you really should read the last rules on NHL and the expansion draft.
Las Vegas can speak 18/19 June with pending FAs.
If they agree on a contract, then the player's old team is 'freed' from losing another player in expansion draft.
So if Leafs want to keep Polak, they either offer him a new contract before 19th of June, or protect him in expansion draft and have 22nd june - 1st July to negotiate a new contract with him.
Both scenarios very unlikely to happen of course.

- MaximusAurelius




Why in earth are you questioning someone's understanding if the rules, when you clearly don't know?


If the leafs want to keep polak, they don't have to protect him as he's a ufa and not eligible in the expansion draft.

Why would they protect polak anyways?
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Nov 23 @ 8:14 AM ET
the center position... you are bang on... any decent centers exposed are going to have a very good chance of being picked
- Dozzer



Didn't watch the game last night. Lost on a shorty... Didn;t give up a goal 5 v 5, but lose the game. Kids have to pick it up.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Nov 23 @ 8:15 AM ET
Didn't watch the game last night. Lost on a shorty... Didn;t give up a goal 5 v 5, but lose the game. Kids have to pick it up.
- bixll


they'd played the perimeter game too much last night... they need to take the punichment and get into that dirty area in front of the net more in tight checking game... be the same thing they need to do tonight if they hope to win
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Nov 23 @ 8:16 AM ET
Why in earth are you questioning someone's understanding if the rules, when you clearly don't know?


If the leafs want to keep polak, they don't have to protect him as he's a ufa and not eligible in the expansion draft.

Why would they protect polak anyways?

- burn


as always, you have no clue or you did not read the conversation.
LV has a 48hr window to negotiate with pending FAs prior to expansion draft.
BetterCallSaul
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Captain Morgan Rielly
Joined: 05.07.2013

Nov 23 @ 8:18 AM ET
they'd played the perimeter game too much last night... they need to take the punichment and get into that dirty area in front of the net more in tight checking game... be the same thing they need to do tonight if they hope to win
- Dozzer

Matthews is going need a straight jacket if some of these chances he's creating don't start producing.
vermie22
Joined: 07.13.2011

Nov 23 @ 8:26 AM ET
as always, you have no clue or you did not read the conversation.
LV has a 48hr window to negotiate with pending FAs prior to expansion draft.

- MaximusAurelius


where does it say that if LV signs one of these pending FAs (polak) that they are no longer able to select one of the exposed players in the expansion draft?
leafsfann
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 05.11.2014

Nov 23 @ 8:27 AM ET
I really hope the team sticks to the blueprint and doesn't go to high priced free agency for an upgrade at D. I mean, it worked out so well in Burke year one, and then worked so well for Edmonton over the past few seasons too. We need Komisarek 2.0!

Side note, Burns was never going to hit free agency, especially after how he showed up in the final last year when the rest of the team didn't. You either need to draft these guys, or bring them in when they're still young and somewhat unproven. Either way its a gamble.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Nov 23 @ 8:28 AM ET
they'd played the perimeter game too much last night... they need to take the punichment and get into that dirty area in front of the net more in tight checking game... be the same thing they need to do tonight if they hope to win
- Dozzer



Special teams let them down.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Nov 23 @ 8:55 AM ET
where does it say that if LV signs one of these pending FAs (polak) that they are no longer able to select one of the exposed players in the expansion draft?
- vermie22


various reports on this in October, one of them:

http://www.espn.com/blog/...head-start-on-free-agency

by the way, apparently Vegas does not have to give up compensation picks if they sign a pending RFA. (RFA have to qualify with the # games played I think)
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Nov 23 @ 8:56 AM ET
I really hope the team sticks to the blueprint and doesn't go to high priced free agency for an upgrade at D. I mean, it worked out so well in Burke year one, and then worked so well for Edmonton over the past few seasons too. We need Komisarek 2.0!

Side note, Burns was never going to hit free agency, especially after how he showed up in the final last year when the rest of the team didn't. You either need to draft these guys, or bring them in when they're still young and somewhat unproven. Either way its a gamble.

- leafsfann


Don't foresee a problem with high priced top D being available.
Draft them soon IMO
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Nov 23 @ 8:57 AM ET
The Canes had a lot of players sneaking pass the Leafs D last night.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Nov 23 @ 8:59 AM ET
I really hope the team sticks to the blueprint and doesn't go to high priced free agency for an upgrade at D. I mean, it worked out so well in Burke year one, and then worked so well for Edmonton over the past few seasons too. We need Komisarek 2.0!

Side note, Burns was never going to hit free agency, especially after how he showed up in the final last year when the rest of the team didn't. You either need to draft these guys, or bring them in when they're still young and somewhat unproven. Either way its a gamble.

- leafsfann


a deal that might work for Leafs and Stl at deadline considering upcoming expansion draft:


Carrick + Brown + 2nd SJ

for

Shattenkirk (resigned) + Jaskin

(something around these pieces at least.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Nov 23 @ 9:01 AM ET
various reports on this in October, one of them:

http://www.espn.com/blog/...head-start-on-free-agency

by the way, apparently Vegas does not have to give up compensation picks if they sign a pending RFA. (RFA have to qualify with the # games played I think)

- MaximusAurelius


that doesn't seem right........they can just sign any RFA they want with no consequences or compensation?

I don't think the league, or other 30 teams, would allow that.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Nov 23 @ 9:02 AM ET
a deal that might work for Leafs and Stl at deadline considering upcoming expansion draft:


Carrick + Brown + 2nd SJ

for

Shattenkirk (resigned) + Jaskin

(something around these pieces at least.

- MaximusAurelius


I wish!
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Nov 23 @ 9:03 AM ET
a deal that might work for Leafs and Stl at deadline considering upcoming expansion draft:


Carrick + Brown + 2nd SJ

for

Shattenkirk (resigned) + Jaskin

(something around these pieces at least.

- MaximusAurelius


I think it will take WAY more than that to get a signed shattenkirk alone, let alone including jaskin
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Nov 23 @ 9:04 AM ET
that doesn't seem right........they can just sign any RFA they want with no consequences or compensation?

I don't think the league, or other 30 teams, would allow that.

- sensarmy_11


The RFAs would be exposed so they would be eligible to pick them up through the expansion draft regardless.

Unexposed RFAs can't be signed without compensation.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Nov 23 @ 9:05 AM ET
as always, you have no clue or you did not read the conversation.
LV has a 48hr window to negotiate with pending FAs prior to expansion draft.

- MaximusAurelius



If Polak doesn't have a contract by the expansion draft the leaf doent have to protect him (as you said)

You are clearly lost. So ironic telling people to read the rules when you don't even understand them.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Nov 23 @ 9:11 AM ET
The RFAs would be exposed so they would be eligible to pick them up through the expansion draft regardless.

Unexposed RFAs can't be signed without compensation.

- TheMussel


yikes, that's brutal........so teams with lots of young guys going RFA are kind of (frank)ed (Ottawa, buffalo, Winnipeg, wash, tampa, etc)
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Nov 23 @ 9:14 AM ET
yikes, that's brutal........so teams with lots of young guys going RFA are kind of (frank)ed (Ottawa, buffalo, Winnipeg, wash, tampa, etc)
- sensarmy_11


This is nothing new, it's just a different way of looking at the expansion draft rules.

If a player is left exposed, they can get picked up.

Teams can protect whichever RFAs they choose.

If a pending RFA is protected, Vegas has to offer sheet to sign them just like any other team.
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