Unfortunately Pens can't leave Kessel unprotected since he woudl have to waive his NMC, and Leafs will likely not leave Bozak exposed either.

What players does Pitts have to resign anyways that make them want to give up Kessel for that??
- MaximusAurelius

Why wouldn't they expose Bozak? He's not irreplaceable. The Leafs have Matthews and Kadri as 1C and 2C.

ask yourself this... bozak and komarov... why would the leafs move them if they need guys to be left unprotected? their perfect guys for that.

and LV isnt going to waste an expansion draft pick on polak... why would they? they could simply make a pitch to him that would be based on playing time come july 1?
- Dozzer

because they would prefer Polak over any other from Leafs. (e.g. Holland or Marincin or Leivo, ..).
At the end of the expansion draft, LV would need to have picked / signed 1 player per team.

And Komarov and Bozak are part of Babcock's plans for the next 2 years at least; if Leafs can get a guy (see my post before) for a 3rd-4th round pick just to leave him exposed, it's quite interesting to do so, since Bozak and Komarov are worth way more than a 3th-4th round pick to the Leafs.

ask yourself this... bozak and komarov... why would the leafs move them if they need guys to be left unprotected? their perfect guys for that.

and LV isnt going to waste an expansion draft pick on polak... why would they? they could simply make a pitch to him that would be based on playing time come july 1?
- Dozzer

polka wouldn't be eligible to be picked in the expansion draft unless the leafs extended him.

only players with contracts for next season will be eligible to be picked in the expansion draft.

how do those work in terms of the expansion draft? do they have to waive it in order to be exposed?
- sensarmy_11

I'm not certain. He has his pick of 8 teams he will accept a trade to. Maybe he decides Vegas is one.

Why wouldn't they expose Bozak? He's not irreplaceable. The Leafs have Matthews and Kadri as 1C and 2C.
- BetterCallSaul

He's not irreplaceable, but he's a good 3C for the Leafs.
Plus they will definitely not leave Bozak unexposed and get nothing for him.
Leafs can trade a low prospect or mid pick for a bad fw with nhl contract 2018 and then keep Bozak and Komarov.

doesn't kessel have an NTC....if so they have to protect him. either way, there is no way they'd leave him unprotected to lose him for nothing.....I imagine they'd trade him, get a couple of crap assets thrown in to any deal, and leave those guys unprotected.
- sensarmy_11

NTCs become invalid after being traded, wave it once and it disappears

polka wouldn't be eligible to be picked in the expansion draft unless the leafs extended him.

only players with contracts for next season will be eligible to be picked in the expansion draft.
- sensarmy_11

yeah, exactly my point

NTCs become invalid after being traded, wave it once and it disappears
- Dozzer

are you sure about that? I don't think that's how it works.......but I'm definitely not 100% sure.

polka wouldn't be eligible to be picked in the expansion draft unless the leafs extended him.

only players with contracts for next season will be eligible to be picked in the expansion draft.
- sensarmy_11

we're talking the 48hrs in advance of expansion draft where LV can negotiate contracts with pending FAs.
If they would sign Polak, they can't pick any other player on Leafs in the expansion draft.
However, Leafs in advance of this period do need to comply with the expansion draft rules (leave 2FW and 1d with contract of 2017-2018 and beyond) so it depends who they leave exposed whether Polak is an interesting option.
(between Polak and Marincin they might go for Marincin anyways, but I think any team would prefer Polak).

polka wouldn't be eligible to be picked in the expansion draft unless the leafs extended him.

only players with contracts for next season will be eligible to be picked in the expansion draft.
- sensarmy_11

No, we've mentioned a few times that if Vegas signs a pending UFA, that player would count as the original team's player in the draft. Vegas has a 48 window before the expansion to exclusively negotiate with UFAs.

NTCs become invalid after being traded, wave it once and it disappears
- Dozzer

incorrect

yeah, exactly my point
- Dozzer

you guys shoudl read the expansion draft rules and the rule on 48hrs before draft that LV can approach pending FAs

you guys shoudl read the expansion draft rules and the rule on 48hrs before draft that LV can approach pending FAs
- MaximusAurelius

I don't think that 48hr rule has anything to do with the expansion draft does it. I think they can start negotiating with UFAs on the 28th of june instead of the 1st of july.....but I think the expansion draft happens way before that.

no - what i mean is that leafs will have their 2fw's (not bozak/komarov/martin) exposed after a trade or two, and marincin on d.

vegas can then opt to negotiate a deal with a pending UFA 48hrs before expansion draft; in this case polak.
if they sign polak, they can't take another player from leafs during expansion draft.
(teams have to protect the 2017 FAs if they don't want Vegas to talk with them on a contract before the expansion draft)
- MaximusAurelius

Why on earth would Vegas waste a spot like that? That's dumb.

are you sure about that? I don't think that's how it works.......but I'm definitely not 100% sure.
- sensarmy_11

i thought it was the case... i could be wrong...

at the very least he has to submit a list of 8 teams he would accept a trade to

that puts a pens in a bit of a weird spot... with all their UFAs who the hell do they expose?

He's not irreplaceable, but he's a good 3C for the Leafs.
Plus they will definitely not leave Bozak unexposed and get nothing for him.
Leafs can trade a low prospect or mid pick for a bad fw with nhl contract 2018 and then keep Bozak and Komarov.
- MaximusAurelius

I don't know. I think the best play is to leave Bozak exposed. I don't think you will garner much for him via a trade. Losing him in the draft in deleting his contract wouldn't have a profound negative impact on this team.

i thought it was the case... i could be wrong...

at the very least he has to submit a list of 8 teams he would accept a trade to

that puts a pens in a bit of a weird spot... with all their UFAs who the hell do they expose?
- Dozzer

I expect they'll re-sign a few of those guys ahead of the draft.

also, I accidentally reported your post (hit the report instead of reply button on my phone) sorry...........but you kind of deserved it.

incorrect
- MaximusAurelius

well... either or... LV is not going to pick polak in the expansion draft... the 48 hour time period before july 1 is to give them the advantage for signing UFAs

the expansion draft is june 21... a week prior to the 48 hour timetable you are talking about

every successful team has their guy who deliberately gets under the other teams skin... move kadri and then you have to find a guy to replace him... so why move him?

teams moving a youngish d man will be looking for picks and/or good prospects... someone like kapanen fits that bill
- Dozzer

I agree with all of this

I expect they'll re-sign a few of those guys ahead of the draft.

also, I accidentally reported your post (hit the report instead of reply button on my phone) sorry...........but you kind of deserved it.
- sensarmy_11

*bans sensarmy*

we dont take kindly to your folk around here
- Cherry--Skoal

Thats nice👍
What kind of folk might that be?

well... either or... LV is not going to pick polak in the expansion draft... the 48 hour time period before july 1 is to give them the advantage for signing UFAs

the expansion draft is june 21... a week prior to the 48 hour timetable you are talking about
- Dozzer

I thought the exclusive UFA window was before the draft. Because teams can talk to UFAs in the week prior to July 1.

i thought it was the case... i could be wrong...

at the very least he has to submit a list of 8 teams he would accept a trade to

that puts a pens in a bit of a weird spot... with all their UFAs who the hell do they expose?
- Dozzer

Fehr and Wilson/Kuhnackl on FW; Cole on D.

i thought it was the case... i could be wrong...

at the very least he has to submit a list of 8 teams he would accept a trade to

that puts a pens in a bit of a weird spot... with all their UFAs who the hell do they expose?
- Dozzer

Tom Kuhnhackl
Bryan Rust

problem solved.

well... either or... LV is not going to pick polak in the expansion draft... the 48 hour time period before july 1 is to give them the advantage for signing UFAs

the expansion draft is june 21... a week prior to the 48 hour timetable you are talking about
- Dozzer

lol.
you really should read the last rules on NHL and the expansion draft.
Las Vegas can speak 18/19 June with pending FAs.
If they agree on a contract, then the player's old team is 'freed' from losing another player in expansion draft.
So if Leafs want to keep Polak, they either offer him a new contract before 19th of June, or protect him in expansion draft and have 22nd june - 1st July to negotiate a new contract with him.
Both scenarios very unlikely to happen of course.