How many saves did Mason make before that soft goal. Which also could be laid at the feet of Manning not pinching Turris to the boards before he went behind the net. Manning had an angle on him for enough time to lock him down but chose not to.

This game was a team failure 0 for 4 on the power play. 0 for 5 in the shoot out. Mase played well enough to win. He got little help from the top 2 lines.
- dragonoffrost

Manning forced him around the net. Goalie has to get there. No excuse. I am tired of hearing about how many saves or what he did prior.

Yes going 0-4 on PP isn't good. But they were up 2-1. Mason plays that better and we don't need a shootout.

Average teams are beating the Flyers because they are getting competent goaltending.

Is goaltending the single reason for losses? NO. But right now it is a problem.

Mason had a really good game until he gave up the game tying goal and in the end thst is what matters..

The Flyers who have had a red hot power play didn't produce.Coots and Ghost continue to be bad right now..5 shots and no goals in the shoot out.

Lots of things contributed to that loss but if Mason makes thst save most likely they win..

Especially if they had "half decent" goaltending ... They could very well be 10-4-3
- 3flyerkids

Yup.

As I've said before, I have no problem with Hak's system, in fact I like it a lot. I do question his lineups and even more so, his use of personnel. Not using a talents like Konecny and Provorov in OT because he's not confident in their defensive play is, IMO, poor coaching. 3 on 3 is firewagon hockey, get your quickest and most talented players out there as much as possible.

How many saves did Mason make before that soft goal. Which also could be laid at the feet of Manning not pinching Turris to the boards before he went behind the net. Manning had an angle on him for enough time to lock him down but chose not to.

This game was a team failure 0 for 4 on the power play. 0 for 5 in the shoot out. Mase played well enough to win. He got little help from the top 2 lines.
- dragonoffrost

This is 100% accurate.

I'm with you.. based on this season right now so far would rather seen Schenn and TK out there in OT before PEB, Read and to this point Coots.
- opeth_pa

Mason had a really good game until he gave up the game tying goal and in the end thst is what matters..

The Flyers who have had a red hot power play didn't produce.Coots and Ghost continue to be bad right now..5 shots and no goals in the shoot out.

Lots of things contribzuted to that loss but if Mason makes thst save most likely they win..
- opeth_pa

IMO Couturier would be best suited as a 3rd line C. Someone mentioned Hanzal the other day, would be a great pick up but I am sure cost and his UFA status come into pl

IMO Couturier would be best suited as a 3rd line C. Someone mentioned Hanzal the other day, would be a great pick up but I am sure cost and his UFA status come into pl
- 3flyerkids

I know we want more offense from Couturier but his line is probably the most consistent line out of any on the team. They create chances every night. And I like that having a solid defensive center with two wingers who like to push the pace.

I know we want more offense from Couturier but his line is probably the most consistent line out of any on the team. They create chances every night. And I like that having a solid defensive center with two wingers who like to push the pace.
- J35Bacher

True, but I think Hanzal would actually be a better center for that line. I have no idea what it would cost to get him, but the following top 9 looks pretty good to me:

Schenn-G-Simmonds
TK-Hanzal-Jake
Raffl-Coots-Read

Manning forced him around the net. Goalie has to get there. No excuse. I am tired of hearing about how many saves or what he did prior.

Yes going 0-4 on PP isn't good. But they were up 2-1. Mason plays that better and we don't need a shootout.

Average teams are beating the Flyers because they are getting competent goaltending.

Is goaltending the single reason for losses? NO. But right now it is a problem.
- J35Bacher

Problem yes. Reason for this loss? No.

I'm with you.. based on this season right now so far would rather seen Schenn and TK out there in OT before PEB, Read and to this point Coots.
- opeth_pa

I'd keep Read in the three sets.

G-Jake-Ghost
Coots-Simmer-MDZ
TK-Read-Streit?

#4 if you want to go that far...
Schenn-Raffl-Provorov? maybe use Cousins here instead of either. If I went to this it would only be maybe one shift and in a non stop OT with constant rushes and changes. If a game breaks into total fire wagon hockey and the other lines are tired.

TK is not reliable enough defensively yet to handle the responsibilities of 3-on-3.
- bmeltzer

Pretty lame excuse, if you ask me.

I do kind of understand the logic behind PEB being out there, considering the depth of experience he has in a more wide-open environment... but TK -- one of the team's biggest open-ice/1v1 threats -- not getting a sniff is just bad personnel management, IMO.

I'd keep Read in the three sets.

G-Jake-Ghost
Coots-Simmer-MDZ
TK-Read-Streit?

#4 if you want to go that far...
Schenn-Raffl-Provorov? maybe use Cousins here instead of either. If I went to this it would only be maybe one shift and in a non stop OT with constant rushes and changes. If a game breaks into total fire wagon hockey and the other lines are tired.
- dragonoffrost

LOL, I forgot all about MDZ. Honestly, the 3 dmen I'd use would be Ghost, Provorov and MDZ. Streit is not a strong enough skater to be that effective in 3 on 3. Also perhaps it's time to take Coots out of the 3 on 3 rotation for the same reason, though you could still spot him in for D zone faceoffs.

Why not try:
Ghost-G-Jake
MDZ-TK-Simmonds
Provorov-Schenn-Read

I think Konecny's offensive abilities outweigh whatever defensive liabilities he might have in a 3-on-3 setting.

I think Konecny's offensive abilities outweigh whatever defensive liabilities he might have in a 3-on-3 setting.
- johndewar

Exactly.

Feels like a game Mason would've had a shutout on last year. I am on Team Mase, but that is one you can't let in. Not sure how the Stone shot fooled him either, but that is the nature of turnovers. He was outstanding the entire game outside of those.

Thought Jake looked out of sorts. Just trying to force things all night

This is 100% accurate.
- BiggE

100% agree with your accuracy assessment

100% agree with your accuracy assessment
- YuenglingJagr

flyers need a 2nd line center badly. #14 isn't it.

I know we want more offense from Couturier but his line is probably the most consistent line out of any on the team. They create chances every night. And I like that having a solid defensive center with two wingers who like to push the pace.
- J35Bacher

Couturier and Giroux are producing at the same rate 5 on 5. So really we need a new 1C to move them both down the lineup. Why not move Cousins up there?

http://stats.hockeyanalys...p=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

I'm going to go strictly by what's happened this year and just ignore the entirety of last season for unspecified reasons.

IMO Couturier would be best suited as a 3rd line C. Someone mentioned Hanzal the other day, would be a great pick up but I am sure cost and his UFA status come into pl
- 3flyerkids

Also the fact that he's constantly injured.

LOL, I forgot all about MDZ. Honestly, the 3 dmen I'd use would be Ghost, Provorov and MDZ. Streit is not a strong enough skater to be that effective in 3 on 3. Also perhaps it's time to take Coots out of the 3 on 3 rotation for the same reason, though you could still spot him in for D zone faceoffs.

Why not try:
Ghost-G-Jake
MDZ-TK-Simmonds
Provorov-Schenn-Read
- BiggE

My issue is the same with Streit which is why I had the ? after his name. I'd like to say TK and Provorov need to be in the OT sets but It comes down to where we slot them to if it works. I'd definitely shy away from them together.

I like Read with TK as Read has a better D game than Simmer.

My issue is the same with Streit which is why I had the ? after his name. I'd like to say TK and Provorov need to be in the OT sets but It comes down to where we slot them to if it works. I'd definitely shy away from them together.

I like Read with TK as Read has a better D game than Simmer.
- dragonoffrost

I'd have no prob switching up Simmer and Read.

I'd have no prob switching up Simmer and Read.
- BiggE

edit: it just makes no sense having 2 players as fast and as talented as TK and Provorov on the bench during 3 on 3. It's asinine.

2nd edit: not sure how this became a separate post

82 point pace is not even close to playoff material
There is no time left to get their ish in gear.
Thanksgiving looms

IMO Couturier would be best suited as a 3rd line C. Someone mentioned Hanzal the other day, would be a great pick up but I am sure cost and his UFA status come into pl
- 3flyerkids

Hanzal is not a better player than Couturier is, in any manner.