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Travis Konecny did just about everything he could to get the Flyers on the scoreboard during Tuesday’s disturbing 3-2 shootout loss to Ottawa.

the top line is more worrisome than the second IMVHO
- Mononoke

As good as the TK - Coots - Voracek line has been, it may be time to break them up to create some more balance in the top-6.

I think there are other more glaring issues to be concerned with. While Corsi is a team stat, it is still useful and tells us essentially that Couturier is no possession anchor. While he may not be racking up the points he is still providing a useful two way game and creating space/opportunity for his wingers. He needs to be better but by no means has he been the biggest issue so far this year.
- Mordecai

I personally disagree, Couturier is not creating anything for his wingers. Couturier, while certainly not the biggest issue, team defense, puck management, and goaltending have been the biggest issue. As far as individual players are concerned, Couturier has contributed greatly to those team issues, and his individual play to this point, is a large factor in the team's record to this point. He simply hasn't been that good, at either end of the ice.

As good as the TK - Coots - Voracek line has been, it may be time to break them up to create some more balance in the top-6.
- JFlyers00

put coots with VDV to get him going

No, it wasn't. Last year his main wingers were Read, Raffl and Simmonds and he was the team's best 5 on 5 scorer. All you're doing is overreacting to a small sample size and pretending last season didn't happen.

If he was "sucking" at both ends, he would not be one of the team's best possession players, just like he was last year when he didn't play with Konecny at all and only played with Voracek sparingly.
- Feanor

That's false. It's not an overreaction, it's a valid observation of Couturier's play to this point of the season. If he was stating that Couturier is not capable of rebounding and playing better, then you might have a case that someone is pretending that last season didn't happen.

Jets are an interesting predicament in regards to the expansion draft. The NMC to Enstrom might come back to bite them

As good as the TK - Coots - Voracek line has been, it may be time to break them up to create some more balance in the top-6.
- JFlyers00

I'd switch Voracek and Simmonds

not a fan
- YuenglingJagr

Couturier is in a funk, but I'm confident he can snap out of it. Giroux is trying to prove his ES decline is not a trend.....the fact that he is tied with Coots for ES points is more worrisome. People can pooh-pooh that and say "ES scoring isn't the only thing that matters!" and they're right. He's a PP gem. But players don't decline on the PP; they do at ES. I'm not just being a member of the He-Man Giroux Haters Club. With all the moaning that it was just due to usage, he is now getting more favorable usage (and zero PK work) than he ever has. Scoring hasn't come. It was always logical baloney to me tbh. At least Couturier is taking the team's toughest minutes at ES.

As much as I love my second line, breaking them up is a lot more for Giroux than it is for Coots. I'd heavily consider swapping either TK/Schenn or Simmer/Jake.

I'd switch Voracek and Simmonds
- MJL

Read Cousins Simmonds
Raffl Giroux Jake
Konecny 3Coots Schenn
VDV does it even matter

No, it wasn't. Last year his main wingers were Read, Raffl and Simmonds and he was the team's best 5 on 5 scorer. All you're doing is overreacting to a small sample size and pretending last season didn't happen.

If he was "sucking" at both ends, he would not be one of the team's best possession players, just like he was last year when he didn't play with Konecny at all and only played with Voracek sparingly.
- Feanor

Im not overreacting to anything and you can wear you Coots blinders all you want..

As I have said in every post today on this..To this point in the season he is not producing offensively or defensively. I then follow that up with I think he will be fine by the end of the season or some variation on that.

Couturier is in a funk, but I'm confident he can snap out of it. Giroux is trying to prove his ES decline is not a trend.....the fact that he is tied with Coots for ES points is more worrisome. People can pooh-pooh that and say "ES scoring isn't the only thing that matters!" and they're right. He's a PP gem. But players don't decline on the PP; they do at ES. I'm not just being a member of the He-Man Giroux Haters Club. With all the moaning that it was just due to usage, he is now getting more favorable usage (and zero PK work) than he ever has. Scoring hasn't come. It was always logical baloney to me tbh. At least Couturier is taking the team's toughest minutes at ES.

As much as I love my second line, breaking them up is a lot more for Giroux than it is for Coots. I'd heavily consider swapping either TK/Schenn or Simmer/Jake.
- Mononoke

I am just not a fan of the chances the Giroux line is generating...not to mention they are giving up good chances. Something is off with the line. I don't think they are getting good shots on net.

As far as the scoring numbers, obviously better chances will help, but they are all shooting below where they should be. I am not panicking yet as far as their ES production, but I am unsure if letting the 3 of them continue to "work it out" is the best option. Leaning towards no

Im not overreacting to anything and you can wear you Coots blinders all you want..

As I have said in every post today on this..To this point in the season he is not producing offensively or defensively. I then follow that up with I think he will be fine by the end of the season or some variation on that.
- opeth_pa

what is league average defensive production?

what is league average defensive production?
- YuenglingJagr

NHL.com has it at 5

Read Cousins Simmonds
Raffl Giroux Jake
Konecny 3Coots Schenn
VDV does it even matter
- YuenglingJagr

I get that you're trying to create balance there, and while i really like lines 2 and 3, I dont like the first line. No catalyst there and no playmaking.

NHL.com has it at 5
- Crimsoninja

what is coots relative to team?

I get that you're trying to create balance there, and while i really like lines 2 and 3, I dont like the first line. No catalyst there and no playmaking.
- MJL

which is the first line?

That's false. It's not an overreaction, it's a valid observation of Couturier's play to this point of the season. If he was stating that Couturier is not capable of rebounding and playing better, then you might have a case that someone is pretending that last season didn't happen.
- MJL

Last night he made a shocking backhanded blind pass right in his own slot that was intercepted and turned in to a scoring attempt almost immediately by Ottawa.

I say shocking because it was so out of character for him to do such a thing.

I think you are correct in saying he has some confidence issues that are affecting his game. Maybe putting too much pressure on himself because of who he is playing with.

Couturier is in a funk, but I'm confident he can snap out of it. Giroux is trying to prove his ES decline is not a trend.....the fact that he is tied with Coots for ES points is more worrisome. People can pooh-pooh that and say "ES scoring isn't the only thing that matters!" and they're right. He's a PP gem. But players don't decline on the PP; they do at ES. I'm not just being a member of the He-Man Giroux Haters Club. With all the moaning that it was just due to usage, he is now getting more favorable usage (and zero PK work) than he ever has. Scoring hasn't come. It was always logical baloney to me tbh. At least Couturier is taking the team's toughest minutes at ES.

As much as I love my second line, breaking them up is a lot more for Giroux than it is for Coots. I'd heavily consider swapping either TK/Schenn or Simmer/Jake.
- Mononoke

I totally agree with you that Giroux's play at ES is.concerning. He was pretty much a non factor last night.

Last night he made a shocking backhanded blind pass right in his own slot that was intercepted and turned in to a scoring attempt almost immediately by Ottawa.

I say shocking because it was so out of character for him to do such a thing.

I think you are correct in saying he has some confidence issues that are affecting his game. Maybe putting too much pressure on himself because of who he is playing with.
- MBFlyerfan

maybe he just wants all the fans to like him

@S2TP

which is the first line?
- YuenglingJagr

The first line you listed obviously.

I see a lot of complaints.

For me, if your goaltending constantly gives up 1-2 weak goals a game you have zero chance.

A few games ago the Flyers had the worst save percentage of any club in the NHL. That's laughable.

Last night he made a shocking backhanded blind pass right in his own slot that was intercepted and turned in to a scoring attempt almost immediately by Ottawa.

I say shocking because it was so out of character for him to do such a thing.

I think you are correct in saying he has some confidence issues that are affecting his game. Maybe putting too much pressure on himself because of who he is playing with.
- MBFlyerfan

If he mentally can't handle it, then plop him on a 3rd line. Flyers need another center anyway, and quite frankly to me he is showing that his offensive production isn't that of a 2nd line C. King of soft goals.

I see a lot of complaints.

For me, if your goaltending constantly gives up 1-2 weak goals a game you have zero chance.

A few games ago the Flyers had the worst save percentage of any club in the NHL. That's laughable.
- flyer_nutter

Last night Mason bailed the team out on numerous occasions and gave the team a very good chance to win.

If he mentally can't handle it, then plop him on a 3rd line. Flyers need another center anyway, and quite frankly to me he is showing that his offensive production isn't that of a 2nd line C. King of soft goals.
- flyer_nutter

there cant be 2 kings of soft goals