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prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 10 @ 4:06 PM ET
If he was never that good then why the hell did we tank for him ?

You should've traded the picK

- GERBE!!!75PTS



The Sabres never intentionally tanked until the McEichel draft. Prior to that they were just a crappy team.

They still had vets like Miller, Leino, Stafford, TAllinder, etc, etc in the lineup.

It wasn't until the year after they got rid of everything they could.

They weren't tanking, they were just terrible.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Nov 10 @ 4:06 PM ET
Right now Sam is a late first-round pick he's not playing like a player I was promised
when we were going to suffer

- GERBE!!!75PTS



I was promised flying cars too, yet here we are with nothing.

Grow up.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Nov 10 @ 4:07 PM ET
I was promised flying cars too, yet here we are with nothing.

Grow up.

- dadeadhead



Got to be honest. I'm still a little sore over that.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Nov 10 @ 4:07 PM ET
No we definitely tanked lol cabin don't play that card
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Seemed like we did on purpose . but the team couldn't win games to save their life.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Nov 10 @ 4:08 PM ET
Got to be honest. I'm still a little sore over that.
- buffalofan19




prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 10 @ 4:08 PM ET
No we definitely tanked lol cabin don't play that card
- GERBE!!!75PTS



No. they didn't. The next year awas the year they got rid of anyone and everyone capable of playing hockey. If anyone played too well, it earned them a ticket out of town.

The only players they dumped that year were players with expiring contracts. That's not really a "tank". that's just smart asset management.
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Nov 10 @ 4:10 PM ET
You were promised nothing.
- Der Kaiser


http://www.buffalohockeyb...-sam-reinharts-their-man/
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Nov 10 @ 4:11 PM ET
No. they didn't. The next year awas the year they got rid of anyone and everyone capable of playing hockey. If anyone played too well, it earned them a ticket out of town.

The only players they dumped that year were players with expiring contracts. That's not really a "tank". that's just smart asset management.

- prock


They tanked both years you're kidding right
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Nov 10 @ 4:11 PM ET
No. they didn't. The next year awas the year they got rid of anyone and everyone capable of playing hockey. If anyone played too well, it earned them a ticket out of town.

The only players they dumped that year were players with expiring contracts. That's not really a "tank". that's just smart asset management.

- prock

Really is pitiful when a teams fan can't understand that .

Thanks Prock
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 10 @ 4:13 PM ET
They tanked both years you're kidding right
- GERBE!!!75PTS



I guess what you're implying is that your definition of "tanking" is just finishing low? doesn't really matter if the team is actually trying to win or not?
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Nov 10 @ 4:13 PM ET
If he was never that good then why the hell did we tank for him ?

You should've traded the picK

- GERBE!!!75PTS



Im 99% sure the goal was Ekblad but thats not the point. Neither is whether they should have traded the pick. He's been very good, the numbers will get better even without 15.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Nov 10 @ 4:14 PM ET
Im 99% sure the goal was Ekblad but thats not the point. Neither is whether they should have traded the pick. He's been very good, the numbers will get better even without 15.
- Sabresfan-365



Not according to Jr...
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Nov 10 @ 4:15 PM ET
http://www.buffalohockeybeat.com/sabres-dont-hesitate-sam-reinharts-their-man/
- GERBE!!!75PTS


Written the day before the draft . Try again.
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Nov 10 @ 4:15 PM ET
Im 99% sure the goal was Ekblad but thats not the point. Neither is whether they should have traded the pick. He's been very good, the numbers will get better even without 15.
- Sabresfan-365


It wasn't he was going to trade the pic if Sam wasn't there
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 10 @ 4:15 PM ET
It is when he's a year older than everyone else he was the most NHL ready prospect in the draft with Ekblad .. And now you're seeing everyone in his draft class produce more than him and even younger when he should be ahead of the curve where ekblad is
- GERBE!!!75PTS


Few things:

Ekblad is miles ahead of anyone in that draft class

Leon has 2 more pts in 1 extra game, the other Sam has less in 1 more game, Virtanen is back in the minors again I believe. The only ones that have "significant" points more than him are Ehlers and Nylander so it isn't like he's getting blown out of the water by his own class at all.

He did his best with Jack. Jack is not there. Samson is a playmaker, he creates with vision. With Jack not being here there was going to be a regression...
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Nov 10 @ 4:16 PM ET
Written the day before the draft . Try again.
- cabin


That was after
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 10 @ 4:17 PM ET
It wasn't he was going to trade the pic if Sam wasn't there
- GERBE!!!75PTS



Are you trying to suggest that if Reinhart was taken first, they had no interest in Ekblad, and would have traded the pick?

That's absurd.

If true, you've got an entire stupid management team.
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Nov 10 @ 4:18 PM ET
It wasn't he was going to trade the pic if Sam wasn't there
- GERBE!!!75PTS



Don't believe everything you read, They weren't going to pass on Ekblad. Well unless Karlsson suddenly became available.
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Nov 10 @ 4:19 PM ET
I guess what you're implying is that your definition of "tanking" is just finishing low? doesn't really matter if the team is actually trying to win or not?
- prock


No the team that they put together that year was a tank team

Then they signed fossil , molasses I think Im missing someone else but Tim Murray said that the team was going to be better than last year
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 10 @ 4:20 PM ET
Few things:

Ekblad is miles ahead of anyone in that draft class

Leon has 2 more pts in 1 extra game, the other Sam has less in 1 more game, Virtanen is back in the minors again I believe. The only ones that have "significant" points more than him are Ehlers and Nylander so it isn't like he's getting blown out of the water by his own class at all.

He did his best with Jack. Jack is not there. Samson is a playmaker, he creates with vision. With Jack not being here there was going to be a regression...

- RhinoFan



There's Ekblad, then about 4 or 5 other players all in the same caliber, from that draft. Bennett, Reinhart, Draisatl, Nylander, Ehlers. It pretty much comes down to personal choice.

But Ekblad is in another tier, and the only real franchise cornerstone player there.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Nov 10 @ 4:20 PM ET
That was after
- GERBE!!!75PTS

My mistake. What i'm getting at is after the team was so bad and seemed we were gonna end up with the top pick, start planning . We needed a center and not Ekblad. Sam was / is the better center . Playmaker type. Needs a finisher (jack) How many finishers are in our lineup atm ? Our GF shows it.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 10 @ 4:20 PM ET
No the team that they put together that year was a tank team

Then they signed fossil , molasses I think Im missing someone else but Tim Murray said that the team was going to be better than last year

- GERBE!!!75PTS



doesn't that imply they were NOT tanking?
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Nov 10 @ 4:20 PM ET
Don't believe everything you read, They weren't going to pass on Ekblad. Well unless Karlsson suddenly became available.
- Sabresfan-365


This is Tim Murray were talking about here he was not gonna leave The draft without a center

Let's not forget we had stud defense prospects back then
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Nov 10 @ 4:22 PM ET
doesn't that imply they were NOT tanking?
- prock


If you look at the 2013 to 2014 roster you understand what I'm talking about that team was absolute horsepoop

The 2014-2015 had a better stacked roster if you look at it then he just moved everyone at the deadline to ensure we would be the worst in the league
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Nov 10 @ 4:23 PM ET
http://www.buffalohockeybeat.com/sabres-dont-hesitate-sam-reinharts-their-man/
- GERBE!!!75PTS



Is there anything in this article that promises anyone anything?

It says they knew Reinhart was the guy they wanted in that draft.
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