I keep reading now that this whole mess started under the Liberal Chretien gov?

SOMEONE TELL ME THE TRUTH
- Cape Breton Bruins

Easy. There is no truth, Caper. The problem is people think of truth as an absolute. It isn't.

Easy. There is no truth, Caper. The problem is people think of truth as an absolute. It isn't.
- Gramps28

"A good deed does not wash away the bad, nor the bad the good." -Stannis Baratheon

-Gramps28

you are correct, ser.

"A good deed does not wash away the bad, nor the bad the good." -Stannis Baratheon

-Gramps28

you are correct, ser.
- Cape Breton Bruins

I was in the midst of typing out a really long winded text of convoluted bullpoop. I got bored after the 2nd sentence.

That sentence is the truth though.

Yup. It's unfortunate the Harper government screwed the pooch so hard, that it lead to the current situation. And yet here we are, forced to pay out a settlement to this guy, rather than throwing millions of dollars into a civil suit that would have likely still resulted in a massive payout.

Not the first time a liberal government has had to pay for conservative screw-ups.


But by all means, continue being a brainwashed twat.
- Feeling Glucky?

FAKE NEWS.


Investigators from the RCMP and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service interviewed Khadr at Guantanamo, in February of 2003 ......... under the Direction of then Prime Minister Jean Chrétien (Liberal) ........... so the alleged violation of Khadr's rights happened under the Liberal Majority Jean Chrétien Government ........... NOT the conservative government as your LIE above seems to insinuate.

The Khadr "file" was further bungled under the Liberal Majority Paul Martin Government.............years before the CPC won a Federal Election.


did you think you'd let that blatant lie slip pass?

http://www.sirc-csars.gc....pb/2008-05/index-eng.html


https://www.theglobeandma...on-with-us/article978573/

Take the L, Glucks

Lorrie Goldstein, Toronto Sun



As for Canada apologizing to Khadr, it’s possible his lawyers demanded it as a condition of settlement.

Ironies, strange twists and hypocrisy, by the Liberals, abound in Khadr’s case.

For example, it might never have happened had not then Liberal prime minister Jean Chretien asked Pakistan prime minister Benazair Bhutto in 1996 for guarantees that Omar Khadr’s father, Ahmed Said Khadr, would be treated fairly. Khadr was released from prison shortly after Chretien’s intervention.

At the time, the elder Khadr, later identified as a key lieutenant of Osama bin Laden, who would die in a firefight with Pakistani security officers in 2003, was under arrest in Pakistan in connection with the bombing of the Egyptian embassy in Islamabad.

After being freed, the elder Khadr briefly came back to Canada, then returned to Pakistan with his family, where his sons received weapons training with the Taliban and bin Laden.

That started Omar Khadr down the path towards his 2002 confrontation with U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, where he was accused of throwing the grenade that killed U.S. army combat medic Sergeant First Class Christopher James Speer, leading to his subsequent confinement at Guantanamo Bay.

A great irony of the Khadr case is that in 2010, the Harper government, which came to power in 2006, was defending actions taken by the Jean Chretien/Paul Martin Liberal government, which was in charge when CSIS and foreign affairs officials interrogated Khadr at Guantanamo in 2003-2004.

Often forgotten now is the fact that in the same 2010 judgment that found Khadr’s constitutional rights had been violated, the Supreme Court overturned two lower court rulings requiring the Harper government to seek Khadr’s repatriation from Guantanamo Bay, saying this would have interfered with its right to set foreign policy.

In criticizing the reported settlement between Khadr and the Trudeau government, the federal Conservatives are being consistent with the position the Harper government took toward the Khadr case during its years in power

The Liberals, on the other hand, have gone from intervening on behalf of Khadr’s father, to shunning the Khadr family because of their embarrassment when it was later revealed the elder Khadr was a terrorist, to criticizing the Harper government for defending the Liberal government’s actions in its 2003-2004 questioning of Omar Khadr in Guantanamo.

Proof that politics makes strange bedfellows.

Take the L, Glucks
- Cape Breton Bruins

he is incapable of admitting he made a mistake ................ or perhaps he's been so brainwashed by the left wing progressive mainstream liberal cheer-leading media, that he actually believes his lie is the truth.

he is incapable of admitting he made a mistake ................ or perhaps he's been so brainwashed by the left wing progressive mainstream liberal cheer-leading media, that he actually believes his lie is the truth.
- D0PPELGANGER

now that's funny.

he is incapable of admitting he made a mistake ................ or perhaps he's been so brainwashed by the left wing progressive mainstream liberal cheer-leading media, that he actually believes his lie is the truth.
- D0PPELGANGER

Oh the irony.

Chretien government said they wanted him treated as a minor.

Harper was in power for most of this poop show.

I guess it's fair to say that both parties can share the blame.

Oh the irony.

Chretien government said they wanted him treated as a minor.

Harper was in power for most of this poop show.

I guess it's fair to say that both parties can share the blame.
- Feeling Glucky?

The Harper conservative inherited this whole mess from the Previous two Liberal Majority Governments that came before his first minority government ............ you cannot spin it any way else.

- D0PPELGANGER

excellent response to show that you continue to be a brainwashed twat.

Now, stop breaking Crim's heart.

1986: Omar Khadr is born in toronto on Sept. 19, but lives with family in Pakistan until 1995.

1995: Khadr’s father is arrested in connection with the bombing of the Egyptian embassy in Islamabad, but is freed after then-prime minister Jean Chrétien raises the arrest with Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto.

1996: After briefly returning to Canada, the family moves to Jalalabad in Taliban-controlled eastern Afghanistan, where they live in Osama bin Laden’s compound.

1996: The Khadr brothers begin attending weapons training camps affiliated with the Taliban and bin Laden. The family makes annual trips to Canada to raise money and collect supplies.

July 27, 2002: Two Afghan government soldiers are killed and several U.S. troops sustain injuries as coalition forces move in on Khadr’s compound. Khadr throws a grenade that kills U.S. Sgt. 1st Class Christopher Speer. Khadr is injured in the mélée.

October 2002: Khadr is transferred to Guantanamo Bay.

February 2003: Investigators from the RCMP and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) interview Khadr at Guantanamo.

1986: Omar Khadr is born in Toronto on Sept. 19, but lives with family in Pakistan until 1995.

1995: Khadr’s father is arrested in connection with the bombing of the Egyptian embassy in Islamabad, but is freed after then-prime minister Jean Chrétien raises the arrest with Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto.

1996: After briefly returning to Canada, the family moves to Jalalabad in Taliban-controlled eastern Afghanistan, where they live in Osama bin Laden’s compound.

1996: The Khadr brothers begin attending weapons training camps affiliated with the Taliban and bin Laden. The family makes annual trips to Canada to raise money and collect supplies.

July 27, 2002: Two Afghan government soldiers are killed and several U.S. troops sustain injuries as coalition forces move in on Khadr’s compound. Khadr throws a grenade that kills U.S. Sgt. 1st Class Christopher Speer. Khadr is injured in the mélée.

October 2002: Khadr is transferred to Guantanamo Bay.

February 2003: Investigators from the RCMP and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) interview Khadr at Guantanamo.
- D0PPELGANGER

Okay, I'm (frank)ing sick of the idiocy and done with writing a diatribe every single time a friend posts about how they're upset that Trudeau is giving a terrorist $10m. You people are.... wilfully ignorant and hypocritical. Here's why. (And I thoroughly suggest reading the entire post. If you know me, you know I'm neither stupid, nor an apologist. I am pure (frank)ing science, and this post is such. Read it before making an ass of yourself by posting about how we just gave a terrorist money).

The story (the facts we know).
* Canadian born Khadr was taken to Afghanistan at 15 years old, by his father. We don't know if he wanted to go, and we don't know why they went. There has been zero evidence put forth to suggest the trip had anything to do with terrorism. Regardless, as he was only 15, he had no choice in the matter.
(EDIT: He was actually taken to Afghanistan at 9 years of age. He was taken to Gitmo at 15)
* Khadr was found in critical condition following a firefight. The mission debrief report filed by the US troops stated that a middle aged man threw a grenade, which killed one US soldier. The grenadier was shot in the head and confirmed killed.
* Khadr was taken to Guantanamo Bay prison. No charges were filed against him at that time.
* Several years later, formal charges were filed. These charges were technically not even charges of war crimes, as if they were true, Khadr would be considered an enemy combatant during a time of war, and thus everything he was accused of doing, was legal under rules of engagement. He was denied access to a lawyer at this point and no trial date was set. He was held in detention and tortured for nearly 10 years.
* Nearly a decade later, an addendum to the original mission debrief was submitted, which identified the grenadier as Khadr by name. The description was updated to match that of a 15 year old Khadr. The original report was not rescinded. No one knows who made the addendum. No US personnel present during the firefight confirms the addendum.
* A week later, Khadr is offered a plea deal. The terms of the deal were to admit guilt to all charges and serve a few more years in a Canadian prison, or refuse to admit guilt and be denied trial indefinitely.
* Khadr takes the plea deal, is transferred to Canada.
* Khadr sues the Canadian government for their involvement in his illegal detention, torture, and lack of a trial.

All of the above is true as far as anyone knows. That is the official story, from both the Canadian and US governments. They have said straight out that Khadr would not be offered a trial unless he took the plea deal. Just let that sink in for a moment.

Now let me ask you a question.
As a Canadian, what do you stand for? Do you believe that you, as a Canadian, have the right to be presumed innocent, until proven guilty, as well as the right to a fair and quick trial? I know this is hard for many of you to consider without jumping to "oh, but he's a terrorist, so (frank) him, he's a traitor and doesn't deserve anything", but we'll get to that in a minute. Seriously consider this. Do you believe you have, as a Canadian, the inalienable right to everything laid out in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms?

If you do, but still think Khadr does not, because he is a terrorist, let me ask you; "How do you know he is guilty?" There was no trial for 10 years, and he was only offered a trial on the condition that he plead guilty. How do we, as Canadians, determine guilt? Have you read and understood the Chart of Rights and Freedoms? It's entire purpose is precisely to ensure that what happened to Khadr, is not allowed to happen. Period.

Now I know many of you still can't get past the "but he's a traitor so he doesn't deserve a trial" even though neither you, nor me, nor the US or Canadian government were able to provide ANY evidence whatsoever, of his guilt (no evidence was submitted during his trial, presumably because none exists), but that doesn't matter. Let me explain the problem to you.

You are worried that terrorists are trying to take away your freedoms as a Canadian right? They're trying to force Sharia law upon us and we as Canadians, won't stand for that right?

Do you see where I'm going here? Presuming Khadr's guilt, with no evidence and without trial, is precisely what the terrorists want to do to Canada. Isn't that your concern? Does it not strike you then, that by saying that Khadr doesn't deserve a fair trial because he is a terrorist, with absolutely no evidence, nor a trial to prove the charges, that you are doing precisely what you are worried the terrorists are trying to do do us? A presumption of guilt, no trial, a decade of detention and torture. Is that not Sharia law?

At this point, I don't think any of us should even be concerned about Khadrs innocence or guilt. He is inconsequential at this point. The REAL concern for all Canadians, is that our government denied a Canadian citizen his inalienable rights, guaranteed to him under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. They did EXACTLY what you are worried the terrorists are trying to do. If Khadr was guilty, a trial probably would have proven such, so why was he denied a trial?

For your information, the Canadian government did not simply offer up an apology and $10m for no reason. They were sued. The Canadian Supreme Court found in favour of Khadr, in that the Canadian government was in breach of Canadian and International law. That money will mostly be covering his legal fees. But here's where you should be more concerned about the money. The Canadian government spent $120m of your money, defending itself for committing what is legally, war crimes. Seriously. Your government, was just successfully sued, for war crimes. Crimes they committed not only against Khadr, but against the entire Canadian public. They assured us that we would all be given a fair trial, but now we know that is not true. They assured us that we will always be presumed innocent until proven guilty. We know that is not true. They took your money, money which could have been spent on building half a hospital or something, and spent it instead, on committing war crimes, and crimes directly against the Charter on which our country was founded.

In summation:
If you believe Khadr did not deserve a fair and quick trial, you are not Canadian. You do not stand for what Canada stands for. You are saying very clearly, that you don't care about evidence, treating people (who we presume are innocent until proven guilty) with basic decency, or your own or anyone else's right to a fair trial. You are, quite literally, openly supporting about half of Sharia law. You (frank)wits.

he is incapable of admitting he made a mistake ................ or perhaps he's been so brainwashed by the left wing progressive mainstream liberal cheer-leading media, that he actually believes his lie is the truth.
- D0PPELGANGER

Don't be braggadocios, d00ps. You're still losing 47,765,892 to 1

dammmmmn he lived with OBL? This story needs to be a movie.

Don't be braggadocios, d00ps. You're still losing 47,765,892 to 1
- Cape Breton Bruins

The lack of self awareness is amazing.

- D0PPELGANGER

Interesting that he didn't try his stupid alpha handshake.

Cant risk embarrassing the boss!

The lack of self awareness is amazing.
- Feeling Glucky?

he can't be a real person

he can't be a real person
- Cape Breton Bruins

Russian sponsored troll?


edit: no, they try to be plausible.

Rex Murphy


The bells were still tolling for Canada’s birthday and Trudeau headed off to Ireland when the news was leaked. So he was conveniently across the sea and on another continent by the time people were shaking their heads over the vast cash award, all but immune to having to answer questions about it. The travelling press caravan did get one question to him, and his comment — it’s a magical piece of work — had more blarney in it than the famous stone itself: “There is a judicial process underway that has been underway for a number of years now and we are anticipating, like I think a number of people are, that that judicial process is coming to its conclusion.” read it all at http://nationalpost.com/o...e2-4976-bedc-219efac565df

1986: Omar Khadr is born in toronto on Sept. 19, but lives with family in Pakistan until 1995.

1995: Khadr’s father is arrested in connection with the bombing of the Egyptian embassy in Islamabad, but is freed after then-prime minister Jean Chrétien raises the arrest with Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto.

1996: After briefly returning to Canada, the family moves to Jalalabad in Taliban-controlled eastern Afghanistan, where they live in Osama bin Laden’s compound.

1996: The Khadr brothers begin attending weapons training camps affiliated with the Taliban and bin Laden. The family makes annual trips to Canada to raise money and collect supplies.

July 27, 2002: Two Afghan government soldiers are killed and several U.S. troops sustain injuries as coalition forces move in on Khadr’s compound. Khadr throws a grenade that kills U.S. Sgt. 1st Class Christopher Speer. Khadr is injured in the mélée.

October 2002: Khadr is transferred to Guantanamo Bay.

February 2003: Investigators from the RCMP and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) interview Khadr at Guantanamo.
- D0PPELGANGER

January 2010: The Supreme Court of Canada found that the Canadian government's interrogation of Khadr at Guantanamo Bay "offends the most basic Canadian standards about the treatment of detained youth suspects."

he can't be a real person
- Cape Breton Bruins

I love how he just keeps going while people are posting about how stupid he is.

Okay, I'm (frank)ing sick of the idiocy and done with writing a diatribe every single time a friend posts about how they're upset that Trudeau is giving a terrorist $10m. You people are.... wilfully ignorant and hypocritical. Here's why. (And I thoroughly suggest reading the entire post. If you know me, you know I'm neither stupid, nor an apologist. I am pure (frank)ing science, and this post is such. Read it before making an ass of yourself by posting about how we just gave a terrorist money).

The story (the facts we know).
* Canadian born Khadr was taken to Afghanistan at 15 years old, by his father. We don't know if he wanted to go, and we don't know why they went. There has been zero evidence put forth to suggest the trip had anything to do with terrorism. Regardless, as he was only 15, he had no choice in the matter.
(EDIT: He was actually taken to Afghanistan at 9 years of age. He was taken to Gitmo at 15)
* Khadr was found in critical condition following a firefight. The mission debrief report filed by the US troops stated that a middle aged man threw a grenade, which killed one US soldier. The grenadier was shot in the head and confirmed killed.
* Khadr was taken to Guantanamo Bay prison. No charges were filed against him at that time.
* Several years later, formal charges were filed. These charges were technically not even charges of war crimes, as if they were true, Khadr would be considered an enemy combatant during a time of war, and thus everything he was accused of doing, was legal under rules of engagement. He was denied access to a lawyer at this point and no trial date was set. He was held in detention and tortured for nearly 10 years.
* Nearly a decade later, an addendum to the original mission debrief was submitted, which identified the grenadier as Khadr by name. The description was updated to match that of a 15 year old Khadr. The original report was not rescinded. No one knows who made the addendum. No US personnel present during the firefight confirms the addendum.
* A week later, Khadr is offered a plea deal. The terms of the deal were to admit guilt to all charges and serve a few more years in a Canadian prison, or refuse to admit guilt and be denied trial indefinitely.
* Khadr takes the plea deal, is transferred to Canada.
* Khadr sues the Canadian government for their involvement in his illegal detention, torture, and lack of a trial.

All of the above is true as far as anyone knows. That is the official story, from both the Canadian and US governments. They have said straight out that Khadr would not be offered a trial unless he took the plea deal. Just let that sink in for a moment.

Now let me ask you a question.
As a Canadian, what do you stand for? Do you believe that you, as a Canadian, have the right to be presumed innocent, until proven guilty, as well as the right to a fair and quick trial? I know this is hard for many of you to consider without jumping to "oh, but he's a terrorist, so (frank) him, he's a traitor and doesn't deserve anything", but we'll get to that in a minute. Seriously consider this. Do you believe you have, as a Canadian, the inalienable right to everything laid out in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms?

If you do, but still think Khadr does not, because he is a terrorist, let me ask you; "How do you know he is guilty?" There was no trial for 10 years, and he was only offered a trial on the condition that he plead guilty. How do we, as Canadians, determine guilt? Have you read and understood the Chart of Rights and Freedoms? It's entire purpose is precisely to ensure that what happened to Khadr, is not allowed to happen. Period.

Now I know many of you still can't get past the "but he's a traitor so he doesn't deserve a trial" even though neither you, nor me, nor the US or Canadian government were able to provide ANY evidence whatsoever, of his guilt (no evidence was submitted during his trial, presumably because none exists), but that doesn't matter. Let me explain the problem to you.

You are worried that terrorists are trying to take away your freedoms as a Canadian right? They're trying to force Sharia law upon us and we as Canadians, won't stand for that right?

Do you see where I'm going here? Presuming Khadr's guilt, with no evidence and without trial, is precisely what the terrorists want to do to Canada. Isn't that your concern? Does it not strike you then, that by saying that Khadr doesn't deserve a fair trial because he is a terrorist, with absolutely no evidence, nor a trial to prove the charges, that you are doing precisely what you are worried the terrorists are trying to do do us? A presumption of guilt, no trial, a decade of detention and torture. Is that not Sharia law?

At this point, I don't think any of us should even be concerned about Khadrs innocence or guilt. He is inconsequential at this point. The REAL concern for all Canadians, is that our government denied a Canadian citizen his inalienable rights, guaranteed to him under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. They did EXACTLY what you are worried the terrorists are trying to do. If Khadr was guilty, a trial probably would have proven such, so why was he denied a trial?

For your information, the Canadian government did not simply offer up an apology and $10m for no reason. They were sued. The Canadian Supreme Court found in favour of Khadr, in that the Canadian government was in breach of Canadian and International law. That money will mostly be covering his legal fees. But here's where you should be more concerned about the money. The Canadian government spent $120m of your money, defending itself for committing what is legally, war crimes. Seriously. Your government, was just successfully sued, for war crimes. Crimes they committed not only against Khadr, but against the entire Canadian public. They assured us that we would all be given a fair trial, but now we know that is not true. They assured us that we will always be presumed innocent until proven guilty. We know that is not true. They took your money, money which could have been spent on building half a hospital or something, and spent it instead, on committing war crimes, and crimes directly against the Charter on which our country was founded.

In summation:
If you believe Khadr did not deserve a fair and quick trial, you are not Canadian. You do not stand for what Canada stands for. You are saying very clearly, that you don't care about evidence, treating people (who we presume are innocent until proven guilty) with basic decency, or your own or anyone else's right to a fair trial. You are, quite literally, openly supporting about half of Sharia law. You (frank)wits.
- Feeling Glucky?

pete26 in the Habs thread also needs to see this. You mind?

So, Russia goes on camera to have a briefing after the meeting between Putin and the Muppet.

Tillerson does his off-camera.

Something is terribly wrong with this picture.