Do you live in Ontario?

Do you actually believe that the Liberal government, over the past 13 years or so, has helped in any way, the economy, with it's misguided foray into "Green Energy"?
- D0PPELGANGER

Good morning d0pps.

I respect that your first order of business for the day is to troll glucker

There are more trees in North America now, than there were 100 years ago
https://www.mnn.com/earth...re-100-years-ago-its-true
- D0PPELGANGER

Wilful ignorance and lying through omission. The d00ps doctrine.

Things are slowly turning around but it's still a major issue.

http://www.nationalgeogra...al-warming/deforestation/
http://www.conserve-energ...s-deforestation-facts.php
http://www.curiosityarous...d-all-be-concerned-about/
http://www.savetheamazon.org/rainforeststats.htm
https://earthobservatory....deforestation_update3.php
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https://www.nationalgeogr...ation-amazon-rain-forest/
http://e360.yale.edu/feat...n-in-the-brazilian-amazon
https://news.mongabay.com...reased-29-over-last-year/
https://en.wikipedia.org/...i/Deforestation_by_region
http://thehill.com/policy...l-a-problem-but-improving

Do you live in Ontario?

Do you actually believe that the Liberal government, over the past 13 years or so, has helped in any way, the economy, with it's misguided foray into "Green Energy"?
- D0PPELGANGER

Putting hack politicians from any party in charge of initiating a program of this scale usually doesn't bode well in Canada. We lack talent and imagination in all of our leadership as we seem to be married to a status quo mainly because these same politicians lack the courage to fully embrace large scale initiatives on green energy like in places like Sweden and Germany.

The Liberals answer is generally tax based. The PC have no answer has their voting base relies on Oil and Gas industry for work and refuse to see the longview and the third parties don't have enough traction to get through real reform.

Wilful ignorance and lying through omission. The d00ps doctrine.

Things are slowly turning around but it's still a major issue.

http://www.nationalgeogra...al-warming/deforestation/
http://www.conserve-energ...s-deforestation-facts.php
http://www.curiosityarous...d-all-be-concerned-about/
http://www.savetheamazon.org/rainforeststats.htm
https://earthobservatory....deforestation_update3.php
1203592
https://www.nationalgeogr...ation-amazon-rain-forest/
http://e360.yale.edu/feat...n-in-the-brazilian-amazon
https://news.mongabay.com...reased-29-over-last-year/
https://en.wikipedia.org/...i/Deforestation_by_region
http://thehill.com/policy...l-a-problem-but-improving
- Cape Breton Bruins

Logic is futile

Do you live in Ontario?

Do you actually believe that the Liberal government, over the past 13 years or so, has helped in any way, the economy, with it's misguided foray into "Green Energy"?
- D0PPELGANGER

What have they done to build green energy infrastructure?

What have they done to build green energy infrastructure?
- Feeling Glucky?

Well first taxpayers have heavily subsidized wind and solar farms, by signing them to 20 year guaranteed contracts, at up to 10 times the market rates ............ then taxpayers have been funding the contentions to all these wind and solar farms, scattered all over the province, to the grid. BILLIONS of tax dollars have been spent over the past decade for "green energy" that we didn't need then, don't need now and won't need in the future.

Ontario had a surplus of electrical generating capacity 10 years ago, still do today and will so for the foreseeable future. The electrical generating capacity of Niagara falls is NEVER fully used, and rarely exceeds 60% of it's capacity .............. because the guaranteed contracts, at up to 10 times the market rate, have to be used first......... and only contributes less than 3% of electrical demand on any day.

Also natural gas plants have to sit and wait for when the sun does not shine, or the wind does not blow, and then jump in to find the void ............... but even when they're sitting idle, they're paid, by the taxpayers as if they're running at full capacity, at their top generating capacity 24/7.

So the Liberal government has squandered BILLIONS of tax dollars for essentially being able to play the "green card" come election time, to cater the GTA voter base, who has no clue how much of their tax dollars are being, and have been wasted for no logical reason.


http://business.financial...-mcguintys-bigger-debacle

http://www.torontosun.com...rians-drowning-in-red-ink








Oh, and the progressive left who brought Ontario done from a "have" province, to a "have not" province, are now going to do the same thing in Alberta.
https://www.theglobeandma...e-sequel/article29801584/

Well first taxpayers have heavily subsidized wind and solar farms, by signing them to 20 year guaranteed contracts, at up to 10 times the market rates ............ then taxpayers have been funding the contentions to all these wind and solar farms, scattered all over the province, to the grid. BILLIONS of tax dollars have been spent over the past decade for "green energy" that we didn't need then, don't need now and won't need in the future.

Ontario had a surplus of electrical generating capacity 10 years ago, still do today and will so for the foreseeable future. The electrical generating capacity of Niagara falls is NEVER fully used, and rarely exceeds 60% of it's capacity .............. because the guaranteed contracts, at up to 10 times the market rate, have to be used first......... and only contributes less than 3% of electrical demand on any day.

Also natural gas plants have to sit and wait for when the sun does not shine, or the wind does not blow, and then jump in to find the void ............... but even when they're sitting idle, they're paid, by the taxpayers as if they're running at full capacity, at their top generating capacity 24/7.

So the Liberal government has squandered BILLIONS of tax dollars for essentially being able to play the "green card" come election time, to cater the GTA voter base, who has no clue how much of their tax dollars are being, and have been wasted for no logical reason.


http://business.financial...-mcguintys-bigger-debacle

http://www.torontosun.com...rians-drowning-in-red-ink








Oh, and the progressive left who brought Ontario done from a "have" province, to a "have not" province, are now going to do the same thing in Alberta.
https://www.theglobeandma...e-sequel/article29801584/
- D0PPELGANGER

What you're describing isn't an issue with green energy, it's an issue with politicians.

And at the end of the day, I'd rather an inept liberal government than a straight up evil conservative one.

You two are really perfect caricatures of the left/right wing guys in TV who have just taken a side and can't see anything past what you're fed by it.

It's really amazing.

You two are really perfect caricatures of the left/right wing guys in TV who have just taken a side and can't see anything past what you're fed by it.

It's really amazing.
- dt99999

Hardline partisanship continues to be an ever expanding roadblock to achieving anything meaningful.

Pretty discouraging when one side gets in that not only do they tend to ignore constituents from the other sides voting base, they are actually spiteful and go out of their way to punish the people in those areas.

You two are really perfect caricatures of the left/right wing guys in TV who have just taken a side and can't see anything past what you're fed by it.

It's really amazing.
- dt99999

Can you make a solid argument for why North American conservatism isn't a bad thing?

God Bless President Donald John Trump

What you're describing isn't an issue with green energy, it's an issue with politicians.

And at the end of the day, I'd rather an inept liberal government than a straight up evil conservative one.
- Feeling Glucky?

So you're in favour of liberals wasting 10s of billions of your tax dollars, on the "Green Energy Act" to subsidize wind and solar farms that we did not need to begin with.

So you're in the process of renovating your house............. so are you going to install a full Kitchen and dining area on each floor of your house?

You two are really perfect caricatures of the left/right wing guys in TV who have just taken a side and can't see anything past what you're fed by it.

It's really amazing.
- dt99999

I'm against any political party that wastes tax dollars, so no logical reason, regardless of who they are.

It just happens that left wing progressive parties see themselves as better stewards of your money than you......

Can you make a solid argument for why North American conservatism isn't a bad thing?
- Feeling Glucky?

Lincoln was a conservative, he ended that slavery thing, right?

You work in an industry that has it's majority of customers in the USA, so you can thank the PCs for the FTA, that opened up the USA market to Canadian Companies.

It was also the PCs that eliminated the Manufacturers Sales Tax, and brought in the GST, which leveled the playing field for Canadian Manufacturers, by eliminating the tax advantage imported products enjoyed prior to the GST.

The CPC created the TFSAs, that saves hard working Canadians more of their hard earned money

There are a lot more examples I could give you.......... but your closed mind will not let them in.

I'm against any political party that wastes tax dollars, so no logical reason, regardless of who they are.

It just happens that left wing progressive parties see themselves as better stewards of your money than you......
- D0PPELGANGER

You should think about moving to Oklahoma

You should think about moving to Oklahoma
- PhillySportsGuy

Because..................

Lincoln was a conservative, he ended that slavery thing, right?

You work in an industry that has it's majority of customers in the USA, so you can thank the PCs for the FTA, that opened up the USA market to Canadian Companies.

It was also the PCs that eliminated the Manufacturers Sales Tax, and brought in the GST, which leveled the playing field for Canadian Manufacturers, by eliminating the tax advantage imported products enjoyed prior to the GST.

The CPC created the TFSAs, that saves hard working Canadians more of their hard earned money

There are a lot more examples I could give you.......... but your closed mind will not let them in.
- D0PPELGANGER

This broken clock is right on that one. Was pretty miffed that JT cut the allotment in half.

Lincoln was a conservative, he ended that slavery thing, right?

You work in an industry that has it's majority of customers in the USA, so you can thank the PCs for the FTA, that opened up the USA market to Canadian Companies.

It was also the PCs that eliminated the Manufacturers Sales Tax, and brought in the GST, which leveled the playing field for Canadian Manufacturers, by eliminating the tax advantage imported products enjoyed prior to the GST.

The CPC created the TFSAs, that saves hard working Canadians more of their hard earned money

There are a lot more examples I could give you.......... but your closed mind will not let them in.
- D0PPELGANGER

Yea, standing up to the elite to help out disadvantaged minorities. Totally a conservative party move.

He was a Republican, not a conservative.

TFSA's are sweet, but they're for people who can afford them, regardless of whether they're hard working or not. And that right there is one of the big problems with conservative indoctrination, the idea that if someone is at a disadvantage, it's because they just aren't working hard enough, so they don't deserve any extra help.

There's much, much more to running a country than financial issues. And that seems to be the only thing you ever consider when talking about how amazing the conservatives are(while ignoring the toll their governments take on the economy).

As for my industry, it's internet based. Guess who's actively trying to (frank) that up?
https://www.mediamatters....conservative-media/216209

Lincoln was a conservative, he ended that slavery thing, right?

You work in an industry that has it's majority of customers in the USA, so you can thank the PCs for the FTA, that opened up the USA market to Canadian Companies.

It was also the PCs that eliminated the Manufacturers Sales Tax, and brought in the GST, which leveled the playing field for Canadian Manufacturers, by eliminating the tax advantage imported products enjoyed prior to the GST.

The CPC created the TFSAs, that saves hard working Canadians more of their hard earned money

There are a lot more examples I could give you.......... but your closed mind will not let them in.
- D0PPELGANGER

You guys see the internet neo-nazi get kicked out of a pro-trump rally because of all of his meme posters. Bunch of gun toting lunatics wanted nothing to do with him.

You two are really perfect caricatures of the left/right wing guys in TV who have just taken a side and can't see anything past what you're fed by it.

It's really amazing.
- dt99999

Exactly.

This broken clock is right on that one. Was pretty miffed that JT cut the allotment in half.
- Cape Breton Bruins

you and me both, and the left wing progressives and their brothers in the msm totally characterized who were investing in TFSAs

- aschuter82

so he was a socialist?

you and me both, and the left wing progressives and their brothers in the msm totally characterized who were investing in TFSAs
- D0PPELGANGER

It was a pretty useful tool to save long term without the restrictions and tax implications of mutual funds.