If advanced stats can convince teams that Gardiner and Marincin are good players, then I think I have made my peace with them

How did the defense get worse than last year, they added a better player in Zaitsev.
And they look worse.
- bobbyisno1

Forwards looking pretty lost in their own end. Having real trouble getting puck out. Not all on the D.

Dubnyk - 3 shutouts; not 1st star of the week.
- 1979AD

Obviously Anderson's family matter played a part in all this.

Good for Anderson, who the (frank) cares anyway?

Forwards looking pretty lost in their own end. Having real trouble getting puck out. Not all on the D.
- Canada Cup

Not all, but a lot

The defense is (frank)ing horrid on this team.

Bozak has negative value
- daeth

Bozak is stuck playing on the first line again because he is currently the best center iceman the leafs have.

IF he got to play in his correct place, as a third line center / faceoff specialist, fans would love him.

Bozak is stuck playing on the first line again because he is currently the best center iceman the leafs have.

IF he got to play in his correct place, as a third line center / faceoff specialist, fans would love him.
- B-Wforever

marner
nylander
matthews

all better centers than him

edit: kadri, forgot him too

bozak isnt good enough defensively to play on the 3rd line. his only asset is his mediocre offense. he's an ahler on a contender.

ah that's right..
so playing Jagr and Barkov and Marchand Pastrnak lines is the same as playing the 4th lines?

+ Gardiner gets a bunch of PP time and virtually no PK time.
Marincin and Polak the other way around.

So it's quite obvious these shots for / shots against numbers are like that.

In addition, quality of shots against / for is different than quantity of shots against / for.

God there are so many wrong with 'advanced stats' they shouldn't even be called like that (yet)
- MaximusAurelius

The NHL site's stats are pretty basic so far, they need to add filters like 5 on 5, quality of competition, etc, but at least they finally have more than just goals/assists/ and plus minus. Sites like Corsica are more advanced, and whatever the teams are using are light years ahead of anything we can get a hold of, unfortunately.

One thing is certain, by any unit of measure, Hunwick is so gone.

Bozak is stuck playing on the first line again because he is currently the best center iceman the leafs have.

IF he got to play in his correct place, as a third line center / faceoff specialist, fans would love him.
- B-Wforever

Are you high?

Kadri and Matthews are both > Bozak

Kadri should be flipped to play with JVR and Marner, and put Bozak with the riffraff

marner
nylander
matthews

all better centers than him

edit: kadri, forgot him too
- daeth

Not yet. Maybe next year.

Obviously Anderson's family matter played a part in all this.

Good for Anderson, who the (frank) cares anyway?
- Scabeh

Nobody, unless it's the Masterdon trophy....

The NHL site's stats are pretty basic so far, they need to add filters like 5 on 5, quality of competition, etc, but at least they finally have more than just goals/assists/ and plus minus. Sites like Corsica are more advanced, and whatever the teams are using are light years ahead of anything we can get a hold of, unfortunately.

One thing is certain, by any unit of measure, Hunwick is so gone.
- The Shrike

He's on Robidas island now

Nobody, unless it's the Masterdon trophy....
- bobbyisno1

Lupul never recovered after Pacioretty stole that one from him.

He's been broken ever since.

Man, Remember when Burke said that the Phaneuf trade would eventually be known as the Keith Aulie trade?

He can't even crack the Blue Jackets AHL lineup. Released from PTO today

Obviously Anderson's family matter played a part in all this.

Good for Anderson, who the (frank) cares anyway?
- Scabeh

Good point - I don't. The only reason I know this is because the office Wild fan (He's from Minny, so not that weird) came to me this morning outraged about Dubnyk getting screwed over on the stars of the week. I told him that Anderson's wife was diagnosed with cancer and he quickly ferméed his bouche and went to get his coffee.

Bozak is stuck playing on the first line again because he is currently the best center iceman the leafs have.

IF he got to play in his correct place, as a third line center / faceoff specialist, fans would love him.
- B-Wforever

But he's not though. I know two who are better. Not at faceoffs, but better in general.

Are you high?

Kadri and Matthews are both > Bozak

Kadri should be flipped to play with JVR and Marner, and put Bozak with the riffraff
- WingmanWillie

Kadri and Mathews are both better than Bozak offensively.
The Mathews line can;t get teh puck out of their own zone, against second and third line players. At least a year away from playing against the oppositions top players.

Kadri couldn't play defensively if his life depended on it. He seems to have peaked and is one dimensional. He is a third line center, playing on the third line where he belongs.
That's why everyone likes him.

Kadri and Mathews are both better than Bozak offensively.
The Mathews line can;t get teh puck out of their own zone, against second and third line players. At least a year away from playing against the oppositions top players.

Kadri couldn't play defensively if his life depended on it. He seems to have peaked and is one dimensional. He is a third line center, playing on the third line where he belongs.
That's why everyone likes him.
- B-Wforever

I think you're mixing up Kadri and Bozak.

Kadri: #43
Bozak: #42

Good point - I don't. The only reason I know this is because the office Wild fan (He's from Minny, so not that weird) came to me this morning outraged about Dubnyk getting screwed over on the stars of the week. I told him that Anderson's wife was diagnosed with cancer and he quickly ferméed his bouche and went to get his coffee.
- 1979AD

Kadri and Mathews are both better than Bozak offensively.
The Mathews line can;t get teh puck out of their own zone, against second and third line players. At least a year away from playing against the oppositions top players.

Kadri couldn't play defensively if his life depended on it. He seems to have peaked and is one dimensional. He is a third line center, playing on the third line where he belongs.
That's why everyone likes him.
- B-Wforever

Hate to break it to you, Bozak sucks defensively too. Marner is the guy backchecking relentlessly on that line

Usually when people make as little sense as you are making, it's because they are wrong. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just sayin..

I think you're mixing up Kadri and Bozak.

Kadri: #43
Bozak: #42
- 1979AD

Bozak? More like SLOWzak, amirite???

Amirite, Islanders fans???

SLOWzak

Kadri and Mathews are both better than Bozak offensively.
The Mathews line can;t get teh puck out of their own zone, against second and third line players. At least a year away from playing against the oppositions top players.

Kadri couldn't play defensively if his life depended on it. He seems to have peaked and is one dimensional. He is a third line center, playing on the third line where he belongs.
That's why everyone likes him.
- B-Wforever

Uh oh, you've incurred the wrath of Willie.

Uh oh, you've incurred the wrath of Willie.
- bobbyisno1

nah, I think Tony was right and he just has 42 and 43 confused.

It's the only thing that makes sense

How you doin bobby?

Hate to break it to you, Bozak sucks defensively too. Marner is the guy backchecking relentlessly on that line

Usually when people make as little sense as you are making, it's because they are wrong. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just sayin..
- WingmanWillie

He should at least consider that he might be wrong

nah, I think Tony was right and he just has 42 and 43 confused.

It's the only thing that makes sense

How you doin bobby?
- WingmanWillie

That would explain everything. I'd agree with him if he was talking about Kadri

Arguing about who makes a better 1st line center Bozak/Kadri is like arguing about which of Nylander or Marner will make better NHL enforcers.