Lucas Neilson
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Location: Atlantic Division Blogger, ON Joined: 06.26.2015
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Matt Hunwick placed on IR |
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bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: I'm excited to see that Joined: 08.28.2010
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You trade JVR for a defensemen, then all the talk will be about how the leafs lack size up front and should trade for a big sturdy winger that can park himself in front of the net.
The point is the leafs aren't at the stage where they can think about plugging holes yet. They don't have the depth of NHL talent so any trade to plug a hole, just opens up a different hole.
Better to stay the course and continue to develop from within.
(Trying gardiner on the wing isn't such a bad idea) - B-Wforever
Trying Gardiner on wing will plug a hole on defense.
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Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Atlantic Division Blogger, ON Joined: 06.26.2015
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I just hope Lou is working on a way to improve this poop defense. - WingmanWillie
^^ maybe here comes Nielsen now? |
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WingmanWillie
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: A dog on the puck, just looking for a snizzbone Joined: 04.17.2015
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^^ maybe here comes Nielsen now? - Lucas.Neilson
I don't see it. They are carrying 8 Dmen, although I can neither confirm nor deny Frankie Corrado is on the roster as I have never seen him yet
I bet its a forward that gets the call |
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WingmanWillie
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: A dog on the puck, just looking for a snizzbone Joined: 04.17.2015
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If you can keep one guy, taking into account their play, what they offer the team and cap hits, who do you keep: Holland or Bozak? |
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If you can keep one guy, taking into account their play, what they offer the team and cap hits, who do you keep: Holland or Bozak? - WingmanWillie
Keep Holland
Trade Bozak (has value) |
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WingmanWillie
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: A dog on the puck, just looking for a snizzbone Joined: 04.17.2015
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Keep Holland
Trade Bozak (has value) - twiztedmike
I would agree |
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http://www.nhl.com/stats/...d,gte,4&sort=shotAttempts
1. Carrick
2. Gardiner
3. Rielly
4. Marincin
5. Polak
6. Zaitsev
7. Hunwick - The Shrike
ah that's right..
so playing Jagr and Barkov and Marchand Pastrnak lines is the same as playing the 4th lines?
+ Gardiner gets a bunch of PP time and virtually no PK time.
Marincin and Polak the other way around.
So it's quite obvious these shots for / shots against numbers are like that.
In addition, quality of shots against / for is different than quantity of shots against / for.
God there are so many wrong with 'advanced stats' they shouldn't even be called like that (yet) |
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Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC Joined: 02.25.2007
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If you can keep one guy, taking into account their play, what they offer the team and cap hits, who do you keep: Holland or Bozak? - WingmanWillie
If I CAN keep one of Holland or Bozak?
I trade both.
If I HAVE to keep one of Holland or Bozak?
I keep Bozak. |
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bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: I'm excited to see that Joined: 08.28.2010
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If I CAN keep one of Holland or Bozak?
I trade both.
If I HAVE to keep one of Holland or Bozak?
I keep Bozak. - Scabeh
Good thing management didn't ask you. |
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1979AD
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: "I'm a Sens Fan!" -Kaptaan Joined: 09.08.2010
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ah that's right..
so playing Jagr and Barkov and Marchand Pastrnak lines is the same as playing the 4th lines?
+ Gardiner gets a bunch of PP time and virtually no PK time.
Marincin and Polak the other way around.
So it's quite obvious these shots for / shots against numbers are like that.
In addition, quality of shots against / for is different than quantity of shots against / for.
God there are so many wrong with 'advanced stats' they shouldn't even be called like that (yet) - MaximusAurelius
Quality of competition and quality of shot attempts (for and against) are valid arguments.
PP/PK is moot; these are 5v5 stats. |
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daeth
Colorado Avalanche |
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Location: 43 points, ON Joined: 09.15.2005
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If I CAN keep one of Holland or Bozak?
I trade both.
If I HAVE to keep one of Holland or Bozak?
I keep Bozak. - Scabeh
Bozak over Holland? How high are you right now? |
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Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC Joined: 02.25.2007
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Bozak over Holland? How high are you right now? - daeth
I think Bozak is actually a player capable of doing something in the NHL.
Holland has yet to prove that imo.
And pretty high thanks for asking. |
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Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC Joined: 02.25.2007
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Good thing management didn't ask you. - bobbyisno1
Yeah, they usually don't.
Except that one time..... |
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B-Wforever
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: toronto, ON Joined: 09.16.2010
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Bozak over Holland? How high are you right now? - daeth
Holland would clear waivers. Zero trade value right now.
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WingmanWillie
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: A dog on the puck, just looking for a snizzbone Joined: 04.17.2015
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I think Bozak is actually a player capable of doing something in the NHL.
Holland has yet to prove that imo.
And pretty high thanks for asking. - Scabeh
The only thing that Holland has to prove is that he can skate towards the net and keep his stick on the ice. Marner will do everything else |
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mykokes
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: RELEASE THE LATVIAN!, ON Joined: 11.09.2009
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Gardiner is putting up some nice numbers...maybe he becomes more valuable the more points he gets. Like Franson did |
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Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC Joined: 02.25.2007
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The only thing that Holland has to prove is that he can skate towards the net and keep his stick on the ice. Marner will do everything else - WingmanWillie
So he's at the Midget AAA level.
Excellent. |
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1979AD
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: "I'm a Sens Fan!" -Kaptaan Joined: 09.08.2010
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I think Bozak is actually a player capable of doing something in the NHL.
Holland has yet to prove that imo.
And pretty high thanks for asking. - Scabeh
High enough to dress up as someone from Jumanji and wonder why people don't get it? |
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bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: I'm excited to see that Joined: 08.28.2010
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Anderson first star of the week on 1 shutout..
Mathews 2nd star of the week breaking a 100 year old record.. |
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daeth
Colorado Avalanche |
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Location: 43 points, ON Joined: 09.15.2005
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Holland would clear waivers. Zero trade value right now. - B-Wforever
Bozak has negative value |
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Quality of competition and quality of shot attempts (for and against) are valid arguments.
PP/PK is moot; these are 5v5 stats. - 1979AD
thanks for clarifying that, i wasn't sure and couldn't find confirmation on that.
still happens quite often at end of pp / pk (when back to 5 on 5) there will be a (few) shot(s) in favor/against due to the proceeding pk/pp; after the (failed) pp the team will quite alot of time be in offensive zone (shot for follows) and after the (succesful) pk the team quite a lot of time will be in defensive zone (and shot against follows).
so failing no pp will be 'rewarded' and success on pk will be 'punished'.. |
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WingmanWillie
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Location: A dog on the puck, just looking for a snizzbone Joined: 04.17.2015
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Gardiner is putting up some nice numbers...maybe he becomes more valuable the more points he gets. Like Franson did - mykokes
Hope so. Send him to Winnipeg in the Trouba deal.
Or see if Pittsburgh would be interested in a package for Maata. Reunite the old Wisconsin Badgers top pair in the Pitt |
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Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC Joined: 02.25.2007
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High enough to dress up as someone from Jumanji and wonder why people don't get it? - 1979AD
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1979AD
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: "I'm a Sens Fan!" -Kaptaan Joined: 09.08.2010
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Anderson first star of the week on 1 shutout..
Mathews 2nd star of the week breaking a 100 year old record.. - bobbyisno1
Dubnyk - 3 shutouts; not 1st star of the week. |
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