Sometimes, in the NBA, you have to take 1 step forward to take 2 steps back.

#Hinkie
- jmatchett383

last year, esp the last quarter of the season, the goal tending was so good. The breakdowns didn't end up in the net as much. this year it just seems like every breakdown is resulting in a goal. the goalies aren't coming up with the big save.
- nastyflyergirl

Yeah, they had defensive breakdowns last year, but Mason & Neuvirth often covered the mistakes. So far that isn't happening this year. On top of it, both goalies have allowed weak goals on a more regular basis than they did last year or in the past.

I think a lot of Provorov's mistakes come in two areas:

1. Trying to do too much because his veteran partner blew coverage/made a bad pinch/turned puck over etc.

2. That Provorov tried to do something he did with ease in the WHL and is learning he can't get away with at the NHL level.

These are learning curve mistakes. He's 19 years old and has 10 games above junior level hockey. To me, there's been far more good than bad, plus he's been playing a huge role on top of things. Quite literally they tossed the kid into the deep end of the ocean.
- Jsaquella

I'm happy with him and want to see him to continue to get big minutes. his good has outweighed the bad games.

2. That Provorov tried to do something he did with ease in the WHL and is learning he can't get away with at the NHL level.

These are learning curve mistakes. He's 19 years old and has 10 games above junior level hockey. To me, there's been far more good than bad, plus he's been playing a huge role on top of things. Quite literally they tossed the kid into the deep end of the ocean.
- Jsaquella

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Yeah, they had defensive breakdowns last year, but Mason & Neuvirth often covered the mistakes. So far that isn't happening this year. On top of it, both goalies have allowed weak goals on a more regular basis than they did last year or in the past.
- Jsaquella

I have to think that will improve.

truthfully if they re-sign him for 5 million he would be the one I leave exposed. if they take him then so be it. if they don't and take someone else then fine. I don't want to see them lose a younger dman who has been playing steady while only making less than 1 million a year.
- nastyflyergirl

I understand.

I just don't want to tie up any long term money into him when a guy like Morin will probably be ready next year.

You already have to account for:
MacDonald
Manning
Gudas
Gostiebehere
Provorov

I think Morin and Hagg will be close for next season. Maybe possibly Sanheim or Myers. Just not sure I want to tie up a roster spot to him. He can be a good player but not sure he is worth 4.5 to 5 million. Also this is the 2nd long term injury for him. That does give me some caution.

Yeah, they had defensive breakdowns last year, but Mason & Neuvirth often covered the mistakes. So far that isn't happening this year. On top of it, both goalies have allowed weak goals on a more regular basis than they did last year or in the past.
- Jsaquella

We always thought the best goalie would get resigned. but what happens if both continue this type of play all year? Do they just resign the non-suckiest of the two?

I'm happy with him and want to see him to continue to get big minutes. his good has outweighed the bad games.
- nastyflyergirl

Oh Hell yes. The kid learns fast and he's a smart player. As he gets more comfortable and experienced, he's going to start asserting himself more and more, and then the physical gifts become even more of a factor.

He's done a lot and he really hasn't show off his puck carrying ability. In juniors and in tourneys, he'd get the puck and lead the rush. When that ability factors in, he's going to be scary for opposing coaches to game plan for.

Oh Hell yes. The kid learns fast and he's a smart player. As he gets more comfortable and experienced, he's going to start asserting himself more and more, and then the physical gifts become even more of a factor.

He's done a lot and he really hasn't show off his puck carrying ability. In juniors and in tourneys, he'd get the puck and lead the rush. When that ability factors in, he's going to be scary for opposing coaches to game plan for.
- Jsaquella

Also him getting a partner he is comfortable with will help. He's looked like a different player with Manning compared to Streit.

My feeling is if Manning continues this type of play they won't resign Del Zotto. Del Zotto is going to get something near 5 million in FA if he comes back and plays well.
- J35Bacher

I think that would be a pretty poor decision

I understand.

I just don't want to tie up any long term money into him when a guy like Morin will probably be ready next year.

You already have to account for:
MacDonald
Manning
Gudas
Gostiebehere
Provorov

I think Morin and Hagg will be close for next season. Maybe possibly Sanheim or Myers. Just not sure I want to tie up a roster spot to him. He can be a good player but not sure he is worth 4.5 to 5 million. Also this is the 2nd long term injury for him. That does give me some caution.
- J35Bacher

yeah I don't disagree. thats why i mentioned if they do re-sign MDZ and its for 5 million plus, i'd hope they leave MDZ unprotected in favor of Manning. I like MDZ and would like to see him back but not on anything longer than 2 years and thats probably not happening.

We always thought the best goalie would get resigned. but what happens if both continue this type of play all year? Do they just resign the non-suckiest of the two?
- J35Bacher

I mentioned this on yesterday's blog. I wonder if both can't rebound, if the Flyers go shopping for a goalie. Get a guy in to be the starter for a couple few years and bridge the gap between now and the Harts, Sandstroms or Stolarzs in the system.

Perhaps they wait until summer and go after a guy like Bishop or Elliott or even a reclamaion project like Jonathon Bernier, who was drafted while Hexy was in LA & worked with Kim Dillabaugh in the past.

Obviously, I'd like to see Mason and/or Neuvirth rebound and stay. But there's a possibility that neither guy is back in 2017-18

I mentioned this on yesterday's blog. I wonder if both can't rebound, if the Flyers go shopping for a goalie. Get a guy in to be the starter for a couple few years and bridge the gap between now and the Harts, Sandstroms or Stolarzs in the system.

Perhaps they wait until summer and go after a guy like Bishop or Elliott or even a reclamaion project like Jonathon Bernier, who was drafted while Hexy was in LA & worked with Kim Dillabaugh in the past.

Obviously, I'd like to see Mason and/or Neuvirth rebound and stay. But there's a possibility that neither guy is back in 2017-18
- Jsaquella

I can see this going either way. Right now I'm more inclined to look for a new goalie. but that's probably total knee jerk reaction to current play level.

I can see this going either way. Right now I'm more inclined to look for a new goalie. but that's probably total knee jerk reaction to current play level.
- dragonoffrost

Mason has had 3+ good years here. Neuvirth was very good last year. I'll give a break to a guy I've seen perform at a high level. That said, they need to get back to that level or close to it to really be considered.

Mason's .929 season a couple years ago can't be why they re-sign him. I'd like to keep one of the existing guys because a) I like them b) I think both are good goalies & c) there's no need to trade an asset for them.

I mentioned this on yesterday's blog. I wonder if both can't rebound, if the Flyers go shopping for a goalie. Get a guy in to be the starter for a couple few years and bridge the gap between now and the Harts, Sandstroms or Stolarzs in the system.

Perhaps they wait until summer and go after a guy like Bishop or Elliott or even a reclamaion project like Jonathon Bernier, who was drafted while Hexy was in LA & worked with Kim Dillabaugh in the past.

Obviously, I'd like to see Mason and/or Neuvirth rebound and stay. But there's a possibility that neither guy is back in 2017-18
- Jsaquella

I don't see it going that way. I am a mason supporter but with a team playing defense at an NHL level he is right back to his normal self

I don't see it going that way. I am a mason supporter but with a team playing defense at an NHL level he is right back to his normal self
- YuenglingJagr

I'm a big Mason guy myself. I'm not sold the team shares our enthusiasm for him.

Thanks Bill. I still don't understand why MacDonald maintains a spot in the line up. For every one goal that he manages to score, he coughs up the puck to have 15 goals scored against him. I hope that the Vegas Tumbleweeds pick him up, and have to deal with his game play. I did actually feel bad for him when he was in LHV, but now I want him to go there for the remainder of his time with the team.
Neuvy is starting to show his true colors. He has been inconsistent during his entire career. I have watched him in since his start in DC, and teams finally became tired of his one good season of play. Sure last year was a good year for him, but he just isn't able to put together multiple solid seasons. I have a feeling that he will be gone by Vegas time, or we will end up trading him to a playoff team. Thus, Mason will provide some decent play in net, but not elite play; another 2 year deal until we can allow the other goalies to settle in? Why not let Lyon, or Stolarz get some reps? Ahhh... the development stage for the team. Patience, patience....

I don't see it going that way. I am a mason supporter but with a team playing defense at an NHL level he is right back to his normal self
- YuenglingJagr

We know the defense hasn't played it's best.

My problem is that both goalies have given up soft goals almost very game. And just to the eye both look uncomfortable in net and not really looking confident.

I'm a big Mason guy myself. I'm not sold the team shares our enthusiasm for him.
- Jsaquella

You mean in terms of being enthusiastic about paying a goalie 5+ aav? I don't know what else they could expect from a guy to be quite honest

We know the defense hasn't played it's best.

My problem is that both goalies have given up soft goals almost very game. And just to the eye both look uncomfortable in net and not really looking confident.
- J35Bacher

Compared to each other? Compared to last year? Compared to henrik lundquist?

I mentioned this on yesterday's blog. I wonder if both can't rebound, if the Flyers go shopping for a goalie. Get a guy in to be the starter for a couple few years and bridge the gap between now and the Harts, Sandstroms or Stolarzs in the system.

Perhaps they wait until summer and go after a guy like Bishop or Elliott or even a reclamaion project like Jonathon Bernier, who was drafted while Hexy was in LA & worked with Kim Dillabaugh in the past.

Obviously, I'd like to see Mason and/or Neuvirth rebound and stay. But there's a possibility that neither guy is back in 2017-18
- Jsaquella

What about a guy like Scott Darling. He'll be UFA, 27. Could you get him on a 2 year deal and go from there. You would think he would try for a starter position after sitting behind Crawford for as long as he has.

Compared to each other? Compared to last year? Compared to henrik lundquist?
- YuenglingJagr

Why do I have to compare them to something or someone.

Do you think both have played well?

Do you think both have given up some soft goals?

That's all I am pointing out. Last year they were both solid. This year they both have been one of the weaker parts of the team.

What about a guy like Scott Darling. He'll be UFA, 27. Could you get him on a 2 year deal and go from there. You would think he would try for a starter position after sitting behind Crawford for as long as he has.
- J35Bacher

I don't see Darling as a starter, personally.

You mean in terms of being enthusiastic about paying a goalie 5+ aav? I don't know what else they could expect from a guy to be quite honest
- YuenglingJagr

I think that, all things considered, if they can get a guy like Bishop, they'd prefer him to Mason.

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