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sfrizz
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.05.2010

Oct 28 @ 8:36 AM ET
Three is ample evidence every single day that NHL teams constantly make horrible mistakes. I am 100% confident I would be a better GM than Peter Chiarelli, Bob Murray, Brian Burke, Anyone who's ever run Ottawa or Buffalo, Dave Nonis.........I could go all day.

Being an NHL GM is as simple as a) being born into an NHL family b) playing in the NHL c) being a player agent (which first requires being a lawyer) c) starting your own stats company.

I think that covers 100% of the NHL's GMs.

What I lack in hockey experience first hand, I make for by being one of the only people on this earth capable of an original thought, having been to college, and being an expert in critical thinking.

I dunno, I think I could hack it, no problems. Also, I should probably point out (before you pull something trying to respoind) that I am only giving the answer this question deserves, I'm not entirely serious.

- James_Tanner


What makes you think this? Have you ever done anything to back this up
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Oct 28 @ 9:04 AM ET
What makes you think this? Have you ever done anything to back this up
- sfrizz



Yeah, exist.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Oct 28 @ 9:05 AM ET
Do you really believe this?
- sfrizz



Yes. Find me another example of a top ten player in the league being traded for a second pairing defenseman? Even if Larsson reaches his full potential, he's still not Taylor Hall.

I don't believe most people recognize how good Hall is because the teams he played for were so bad.
Dcoms
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Chatham , ON
Joined: 06.22.2014

Oct 28 @ 9:47 AM ET
WOw those are some ridiculous statements. 4 1sts for Muzzin? Throwing away picks is what has killed the Lafs for 50 years now. And that roster you posted has potential but is mostly unproven and without experience. I can't think of one team that was mostly players under 25 that has ever won a championship. Even Crosby, Malkin and Letang didn't win until they brought in Guerin and Recchi. And it's ELC not ECL entry level contract not entry contract level and you did it more than once. Any championship team is going to need a good mix of young and veteran players. Just look at the last champs roster. They tried to do it with all veterans for 6 years and it didn't work. Then they graduated a bunch of kids all at once and the mix was perfect. Next it's really time to drop the whole Hall trade outrage, if they kept Hall they would not have been able to sign Lucic and even though I despise him he has changed the dynamic of that team along with Kassian and Marroon to a team nobody is going to mess with. And Larrsson has been excellent and is their only legit top pairing dman. I don't think any Oiler fan would change a thing. THEy are even getting good goaltending now that they have a better defense.
Dcoms
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Chatham , ON
Joined: 06.22.2014

Oct 28 @ 9:59 AM ET
yes...3 picks for Kessel who couldn't find his end of the rink for years.
- Garnie

Well he found it now, crazy what allowing a player to play to his strengths and a fan base that doesn't heap unrealistic expectations and then outlandish condemnations when he fails to meet said expectations does for a players ability to impact the game.
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Oct 28 @ 10:08 AM ET
You don't even know what that word means. Jesus, does anyone? Other than "ignorant" and "ironic" easily the most incorrectly used word.
- James_Tanner


No, I think he hit the nail right on the head. You're a (frank)ing hypocrite. No one is as smart as you, James. All your ideas are gold and no one knows anything that you don't.
Also, you're a moron. If I get banned for two days (never happened before, but this "discussion" is on another level), I will welcome the break.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Oct 28 @ 10:14 AM ET
No, I think he hit the nail right on the head. You're a (frank)ing hypocrite. No one is as smart as you, James. All your ideas are gold and no one knows anything that you don't.
Also, you're a moron. If I get banned for two days (never happened before, but this "discussion" is on another level), I will welcome the break.

- Tonybere



What is wrong with you? You need a psych evaluation, not a ban from the hockey comments section. This is some seriously disturbing stuff, to think you have this much of a problem with a hockey blogger.

Please, at the very least, call the kids help phone and for the love of god, get your Dad's permission before you go online unsupervised.
Dcoms
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Chatham , ON
Joined: 06.22.2014

Oct 28 @ 10:17 AM ET
Trading Hall for Larsson was so bad it's almost hard to comprehend. Perhaps the worst one for one trade in NHL history.


I have two sources - Cap Friendly and this site - which list McDavid's cap hit as 900K. If that is supposed to include bonuses, that ain't on me.

The Oilers, no one wants to acknowledge, played zero games last year with their optimum lineup. Then they tore their team apart without ever having seen it play a single game.

- James_Tanner

It's not even close to one of the worst trades. Martin Erat for Filip Forsburg is a bad trade. Teams are not trading their young dmen because there are so few that feit the new model of being mobile, fast puck movers with good sticks and good gap control. Larrson is a fine player and there were no other dmen of his caliber available last summer. Any similar player would have drawn the same cost. And the Oilers knew they had Lucic to replace Hall. It's really not a bad trade. The Penguins traded Jagr for Rico Fata for f sakes!! Yashin for Chara and Spezza was a bad trade. You're just way off base here.
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Oct 28 @ 10:18 AM ET
What is wrong with you? You need a psych evaluation, not a ban from the hockey comments section. This is some seriously disturbing stuff, to think you have this much of a problem with a hockey blogger.

Please, at the very least, call the kids help phone and for the love of god, get your Dad's permission before you go online unsupervised.

- James_Tanner


Whatever.
The fact that you don't see how you respond to people is crazy. You make holier than thou comments about things you obviously only understand part of, and then when people challenge your statements you tell them they aren't as smart as you and act like my 7 year old when I tell her it's time for bed.
Dcoms
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Chatham , ON
Joined: 06.22.2014

Oct 28 @ 10:20 AM ET
Three is ample evidence every single day that NHL teams constantly make horrible mistakes. I am 100% confident I would be a better GM than Peter Chiarelli, Bob Murray, Brian Burke, Anyone who's ever run Ottawa or Buffalo, Dave Nonis.........I could go all day.

Being an NHL GM is as simple as a) being born into an NHL family b) playing in the NHL c) being a player agent (which first requires being a lawyer) c) starting your own stats company.

I think that covers 100% of the NHL's GMs.

What I lack in hockey experience first hand, I make for by being one of the only people on this earth capable of an original thought, having been to college, and being an expert in critical thinking.

I dunno, I think I could hack it, no problems. Also, I should probably point out (before you pull something trying to respoind) that I am only giving the answer this question deserves, I'm not entirely serious.

- James_Tanner

It must be hard not being able to leave your house because your ego won't fit through most doors. You're a legend in your own mind thats for sure.
sfrizz
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.05.2010

Oct 28 @ 10:30 AM ET
Yeah, exist.
- James_Tanner


Solid answer, valid point
sfrizz
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.05.2010

Oct 28 @ 10:37 AM ET
Yes. Find me another example of a top ten player in the league being traded for a second pairing defenseman? Even if Larsson reaches his full potential, he's still not Taylor Hall.

I don't believe most people recognize how good Hall is because the teams he played for were so bad.

- James_Tanner



Taylor Hall is not a top 10 player in the league.
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Oct 28 @ 10:47 AM ET
Yes. Find me another example of a top ten player in the league being traded for a second pairing defenseman? Even if Larsson reaches his full potential, he's still not Taylor Hall.

I don't believe most people recognize how good Hall is because the teams he played for were so bad.

- James_Tanner


This is where your argument fails. Larsson doesn't have to be equal to the player Taylor Hall is. He needs to make an equal contribution to the team. Perhaps you're familiar with the theory of a whole being greater than the sum of its parts?
sfrizz
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.05.2010

Oct 28 @ 10:55 AM ET
This is where your argument fails. Larsson doesn't have to be equal to the player Taylor Hall is. He needs to make an equal contribution to the team. Perhaps you're familiar with the theory of a whole being greater than the sum of its parts?
- Tonybere


You're wasting your time trying to reason with him. What he says is right and everyone else is wrong
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Oct 28 @ 11:03 AM ET
You're wasting your time trying to reason with him. What he says is right and everyone else is wrong
- sfrizz


Oh, I know I'm wasting my time, but I don't have much work on my desk this week!
I think I just need to get laid or something, but I am finding it harder than usual to just remain on the sidelines of this preposterous discussion.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Oct 28 @ 11:18 AM ET
Oh, I know I'm wasting my time, but I don't have much work on my desk this week!
I think I just need to get laid or something, but I am finding it harder than usual to just remain on the sidelines of this preposterous discussion.

- Tonybere



The idea that the Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson trade is in any way defendable makes me laugh. I don't know what to tell you, if you want me to admit that I don't know everything and am not the smartest guy in town, don't pick a topic where I am 100% objectively correct to battle about.

I am sure I occasionally say something that isn't objectively correct, but the Taylor Hall trade isn't the place to take your stand. Especially when he's on pace for 78 goals.
WEWANTCUP
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: ON
Joined: 02.01.2013

Oct 28 @ 11:56 AM ET
James Tanner: How the Leafs and Oilers Could Game the System for Instant Stanley Cups
- James_Tanner


No where in your article did you mention the performance bonuses that would be paid to McDavid, Puljujarvia and Draisaitl if they met their respective targets, which would amount to $7,825,000 in addition to their base salaries.
benmacw
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Oct 28 @ 12:06 PM ET
The idea that the Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson trade is in any way defendable makes me laugh. I don't know what to tell you, if you want me to admit that I don't know everything and am not the smartest guy in town, don't pick a topic where I am 100% objectively correct to battle about.

I am sure I occasionally say something that isn't objectively correct, but the Taylor Hall trade isn't the place to take your stand. Especially when he's on pace for 78 goals.

- James_Tanner
ask Washington what it's like to have a guy that destroys the goal sheet. Because according to you all you need is an Ovechkin to win championships. Is someone sneaking bleach in your morning coffee?
TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009

Oct 28 @ 12:33 PM ET
After actually seeing what Larsson is I couldn't be happier.


Devils love Hall too.


Why can't both teams win?

- robin_steele264

People are too used to poopting on everything Oilers. It will take time for them to realize those days are ending.
TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009

Oct 28 @ 12:35 PM ET
This is where your argument fails. Larsson doesn't have to be equal to the player Taylor Hall is. He needs to make an equal contribution to the team. Perhaps you're familiar with the theory of a whole being greater than the sum of its parts?
- Tonybere

God almighty thank you. Well stated.
TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009

Oct 28 @ 12:37 PM ET
Yes. Find me another example of a top ten player in the league being traded for a second pairing defenseman? Even if Larsson reaches his full potential, he's still not Taylor Hall.

I don't believe most people recognize how good Hall is because the teams he played for were so bad.

- James_Tanner

Larsson was almost 1st overall his draft year. His full potential is a lot more than what you think.
glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: *flush*, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Oct 28 @ 1:20 PM ET
I feel like everytime I enter a Tranner thread thousands of my brain cells drink suicide kool-aid.
PancakesPenner
Los Angeles Kings
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 04.20.2012

Oct 28 @ 2:08 PM ET
The idea that the Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson trade is in any way defendable makes me laugh. I don't know what to tell you, if you want me to admit that I don't know everything and am not the smartest guy in town, don't pick a topic where I am 100% objectively correct to battle about.

I am sure I occasionally say something that isn't objectively correct, but the Taylor Hall trade isn't the place to take your stand. Especially when he's on pace for 78 goals.

- James_Tanner


How modest of you...
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Oct 28 @ 2:18 PM ET
What is wrong with you? You need a psych evaluation, not a ban from the hockey comments section. This is some seriously disturbing stuff, to think you have this much of a problem with a hockey blogger.

Please, at the very least, call the kids help phone and for the love of god, get your Dad's permission before you go online unsupervised.

- James_Tanner


People are suffering from mental illness all over the world and here James Tanner is joking about a psych evaluation. (frank)ing pathetic...
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Oct 28 @ 2:21 PM ET
People are suffering from mental illness all over the world and here James Tanner is joking about a psych evaluation. (frank)ing pathetic...
- RonPielep


Makes me want to urinate on my nurse again!
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