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This is not an inaccurate criticism. But it only seems wild because no GM has ever had the balls to try something like this.
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Dannyboy
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Location: Chicago, IL Joined: 06.25.2010
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spirovski
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: ON Joined: 08.18.2011
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This way of thinking is either incredibly brilliant or incredibly stupid...... and i have no idea which one it is!!!! - donkscn
lol i agree,
I dislike the idea of moving picks while you JUST started rebuilding..
its like after 10 years everyone screaming " PLEASE LEAFS REBUILD PROPERLY!!"
and one year after we trade 3 first round picks......
It is intriguing to think about making some moves while the players are on entry level contracts, but IMO they can still make a really good team next year..
So much cap space, you only need to sign a few FA players, trade a few and that's it.. there's so much young talent coming up, that you only need a few established GOOD players (not michalek, bozak, hunwick) to stabilize the team (like Weber did for MTL so far).
So I believe they will make more moves next year. this year is strictly to see whats worth keeping, and what their needs are.
I'm confident that they have a future, especially the way they can put up goals.
(Mathews + Nylander 1st and 2nd in points as rookies) |
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WaterBoy
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Location: Gardez-le votre ANGLAIS, YT Joined: 06.27.2006
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None other than Andrew Saadalla. - Cape Breton Bruins
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This is not an inaccurate criticism. But it only seems wild because no GM has ever had the balls to try something like this. - James_Tanner
They likely prefer keeping their jobs. |
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tbreinold
New York Rangers |
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Location: NJ Joined: 02.14.2007
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And in 95% of Cup Finals, it's two evenly matched teams. I don't expect to people to understand the effect of luck, so I'm not even gonna argue about it. Lots of fun reading on the subject if you're interested. - James_Tanner
And another gutter trash article. Maybe one day Tanner will be a GM and he can "game" the system. |
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WaterBoy
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Location: Gardez-le votre ANGLAIS, YT Joined: 06.27.2006
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This is not an inaccurate criticism. But it only seems wild because no GM has ever had the balls to try something like this. - James_Tanner
Love how you say McDavid only makes 900 000K
Shy of nearly 2M.
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nucks_94
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 12.05.2008
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What recent Stanley Cup Winner has been built around players that are still on their Entry-Level deals? |
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Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: ON Joined: 11.30.2009
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This is not an inaccurate criticism. But it only seems wild because no GM has ever had the balls to try something like this. - James_Tanner
I think the Leafs did some of this stuff and that's why theyre in the position they are.... |
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lol i agree,
I dislike the idea of moving picks while you JUST started rebuilding..
its like after 10 years everyone screaming " PLEASE LEAFS REBUILD PROPERLY!!"
and one year after we trade 3 first round picks......
It is intriguing to think about making some moves while the players are on entry level contracts, but IMO they can still make a really good team next year..
So much cap space, you only need to sign a few FA players, trade a few and that's it.. there's so much young talent coming up, that you only need a few established GOOD players (not michalek, bozak, hunwick) to stabilize the team (like Weber did for MTL so far).
So I believe they will make more moves next year. this year is strictly to see whats worth keeping, and what their needs are.
I'm confident that they have a future, especially the way they can put up goals.
(Mathews + Nylander 1st and 2nd in points as rookies) - spirovski
What you're describing is a more traditional way of doing things - it's the way things were done long before a cap system was in place.
What I am talking about is taking advantage of a system which most teams don't understand how to properly use.
It's not like we're talking about a marginal gain here. Marner, Mathews and Nylander will cost a minimum of $25 million dollars. Today they cost combined less than Komarov.
So you could get 3 more impact players in the next two years than you could otherwise.
The odds of getting an Auston Matthews in addition to a Marner and Nylander are essentially zero. This is a once in lifetime opportunity.
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where does Rundlbad fit into that defensive unit? |
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Love how you say McDavid only makes 900 000K
Shy of nearly 2M. - WaterBoy
Yeah but that includes bonus money which I am pretty sure gets applied to next year's hit? But so what? We're still talking about a massive difference. |
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I think the Leafs did some of this stuff and that's why theyre in the position they are.... - Garnie
No, they tried to skip the part where you collect prospects. They were short sighted, just in a dumb way, not a smart one. |
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nucks_94
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 12.05.2008
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What recent Stanley Cup Winner has been built around players that are still on their Entry-Level deals? - nucks_94
Looked it up... Toews and Kane were still on entry level deals when the Hawks won in 2010. So in a sense, you could say that the Hawks did what you are talking about and went all-in to build around young stars and it worked out pretty well |
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What recent Stanley Cup Winner has been built around players that are still on their Entry-Level deals? - nucks_94
None. But there's a winner ever year, no matter what. Your point is illogical. |
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CrownedKing
Los Angeles Kings |
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Location: Garden Grove, CA Joined: 01.06.2015
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Looked it up... Toews and Kane were still on entry level deals when the Hawks won in 2010. So in a sense, you could say that the Hawks did what you are talking about and went all-in to build around young stars and it worked out pretty well - nucks_94
They also unloaded a veritable all-star team of players the following year. Their other Cups were the kind where you build smart and hope to get lucky, but if they had of kept their first cup roster, how many Cups do they win? Five in a row? |
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Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: ON Joined: 11.30.2009
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No, they tried to skip the part where you collect prospects. They were short sighted, just in a dumb way, not a smart one. - James_Tanner
yes...3 picks for Kessel who couldn't find his end of the rink for years.
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nucks_94
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 12.05.2008
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They also unloaded a veritable all-star team of players the following year. Their other Cups were the kind where you build smart and hope to get lucky, but if they had of kept their first cup roster, how many Cups do they win? Five in a row? - James_Tanner
I thought your point was to go all-in, damned the consequences, to win a single cup while your stars are still on entry level deals. The Hawks did that and it worked in 2010. The fact that they had to get rid of a bunch of people afterwards is besides the point |
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SpeedBlue91
New York Rangers |
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Location: Union, NJ Joined: 06.12.2015
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This is not an inaccurate criticism. But it only seems wild because no GM has ever had the balls to try something like this. - James_Tanner
Sure they have. Glen Sather tried to do this every single year for almost 3 decades. |
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homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We want 1, FL Joined: 02.24.2008
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SolidGoldBricks
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Robidas Island, MI Joined: 10.30.2013
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yes...3 picks for Kessel who couldn't find his end of the rink for years. - Garnie
To be fair, I'm not convinced he was looking for it. |
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Yeah but that includes bonus money which I am pretty sure gets applied to next year's hit? But so what? We're still talking about a massive difference. - James_Tanner
No it applies to the year in which the bonus was attained. His cap hit is $3.775M.
So you're still saying trading Hall for Larsson was a bad trade when it's obvious the team is better? |
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Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: ON Joined: 11.30.2009
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To be fair, I'm not convinced he was looking for it. - SolidGoldBricks
That was quite obvious. |
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wolphnuts12
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 05.22.2012
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Yet we venerate the winning of the short tournament and barely care at all who won the President's Trophy."
English league soccer does this. Each team plays each other twice...once home and once away. Whoever has the most points is champ. You lose the drama and iconic moments of the playoffs and sometimes the ending can be anti-climactic, but this truly makes it that the "best team" wins. You'd opt for this system over playoffs? |
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