MAF YOU (frank)ING IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Be nice if Malkin looked up at the clock, saw 5 mins left in the game and didnt decide to take a penalty.

Be nice if Malkin looked up at the clock, saw 5 mins left in the game and didnt decide to take a penalty.
- stackthepads

be nice if maf didn't go out of the goal on a penalty kill and try to play a puck that was bouncing at 100mph

be nice if maf didn't go out of the goal on a penalty kill and try to play a puck that was bouncing at 100mph
- martox

That was an unlucky bounce, a goalie can't let dump ins round the boards

Sid nailing Boychuk and scoring the go-ahead goal......what a badass.

That was an unlucky bounce, a goalie can't let dump ins round the boards
- stackthepads

If it's up high, the goalie isn't supposed to go out for it. Down on the ice he should make that play. He should have never gone after a bouncing puck.

Did anyone hear what crosby was chatting to the other bench?

Sid nailing Boychuk and scoring the go-ahead goal......what a badass.
- madmike71

That was a solid hit!

Islanders owned the second Pens owned the third

Playing 20 minutes a game isn't optimal, but I'll take it.

Did anyone hear what crosby was chatting to the other bench?
- IronCity

I read his lips at one point and he said go f*ck yourself!

Sid nailing Boychuk and scoring the go-ahead goal......what a badass.
- madmike71

It was Sid kicking ass.

Sid nailing Boychuk and scoring the go-ahead goal......what a badass.
- madmike71

What exactly was Boychuk complaining about there? Looked textbook shoulder to shoulder to me. What a shot from a man just off a concussion though.

What exactly was Boychuk complaining about there? Looked textbook shoulder to shoulder to me. What a shot from a man just off a concussion though.
- Tojo.

Who knows. But his whining was over-the-top. The league should come down hard on Boychuk. He is basically calling the league's integrity into question over a clean check.

Boychuk: "I'm sure if it was reversed I'd be getting a phone call and a suspension. The ref gave some excuse I didn't hear and he asked me if I was all right after the goal. Their players did too."

Translation: I'm a whiner but Crosby and the Pens display class and sportsmanship.

Remember, this is the same guy who didn't even get a penalty called against him for kneeing Malkin (whether intentional or not, it was still a penalty). Probably suspension-worthy, too. Boychuk and the whiny Isles need to shut up. Or as Crosby said during the game, "Go (frank) yourself!"

Funny, too, because Boychuk thinks Crosby gets protected by the league and that he would get a suspension for this hit. Is he not paying attention? Crosby gets abused on a regular basis and it wasn't until just last season that anyone got suspended, and it was for just one game for cross-checking him to back of the head (or was it for breaking a stick over his back as he lay face down on the ice? I forget).

What exactly was Boychuk complaining about there? Looked textbook shoulder to shoulder to me. What a shot from a man just off a concussion though.
- Tojo.

My guess, losing!

Oh sorry, I thought you were talking about him 'complaining' & 'whinging' after he lost!

Looks like MAF had a pretty good game. The thing is with that, that 2nd goal against was horrific & never should have been scored.

So he does all the great stuff then completely melts down & does something completely irresponsible & well below his pay rate. Did we win thanks to MAF? Probably. Could we have lost thanks to MAF?

This is why I said previously, I never feel comfortable when he's in net because he usually always does something bad that should not be done. He's great but (frank) he's a worry! (He's still worth a fortune in trade though )

Looks like MAF had a pretty good game. The thing is with that, that 2nd goal against was horrific & never should have been scored.

So he does all the great stuff then completely melts down & does something completely irresponsible & well below his pay rate. Did we win thanks to MAF? Probably. Could we have lost thanks to MAF?

This is why I said previously, I never feel comfortable when he's in net because he usually always does something bad that should not be done. He's great but (frank) he's a worry! (He's still worth a fortune in trade though )
- Aussiepenguin

Unless your name is Lundqvist (probably not for much longer), Schneider, or Price or maybe Holtby, you have your warts as a goalie. The MAF vs. Murray debate has become so polarizing at this point that people forget that both goalies have bad flaws that will cost games. MAF has his positioning issues and Murray has his slow reflexes and cross crease mobility issues. Thing is MAF is so goddamn flashy (both good and bad) that when he (frank)s up it looks like such a spectacular dumpster fire that its easy to poop on him, where as Murray's goals against tend to look much cleaner and are easier to forgive.

I honestly am about equally at ease when both goalies are in net. I think their flaws are about equal and both give us a really good chance to win on any given night. What I don't like is how much MAF has been playing. MAF is a rhythm guy so he needs a lot of starts, but now that Murray's back I want his workload scaled back a bit. I think he could use a breather.

This is the NHL you all want so dont complain about Boychuk whining
The more old school you take out of the game the more whining and football antics sneak into it.

Who knows. But his whining was over-the-top. The league should come down hard on Boychuk. He is basically calling the league's integrity into question over a clean check.

Boychuk: "I'm sure if it was reversed I'd be getting a phone call and a suspension. The ref gave some excuse I didn't hear and he asked me if I was all right after the goal. Their players did too."

Translation: I'm a whiner but Crosby and the Pens display class and sportsmanship.

Remember, this is the same guy who didn't even get a penalty called against him for kneeing Malkin (whether intentional or not, it was still a penalty). Probably suspension-worthy, too. Boychuk and the whiny Isles need to shut up. Or as Crosby said during the game, "Go (frank) yourself!"

Funny, too, because Boychuk thinks Crosby gets protected by the league and that he would get a suspension for this hit. Is he not paying attention? Crosby gets abused on a regular basis and it wasn't until just last season that anyone got suspended, and it was for just one game for cross-checking him to back of the head (or was it for breaking a stick over his back as he lay face down on the ice? I forget).
- T-Train

It's especially funny because Buychuk's game is all about physicality. Sid put's a clean hit on him, he drops his stick and while he is picking it up, we score. No problem I see there except Boychuk can't take a hit or he is hurt? Great play by Sid on a bigger man.

It's especially funny because Buychuk's game is all about physicality. Sid put's a clean hit on him, he drops his stick and while he is picking it up, we score. No problem I see there except Boychuk can't take a hit or he is hurt? Great play by Sid on a bigger man.
- powerhouse

That hit was a thing of beauty. Good, clean hockey at its finest. Remember when Malkin destroyed Girardi a few years back? I got flashbacks.

Unless your name is Lundqvist (probably not for much longer), Schneider, or Price or maybe Holtby, you have your warts as a goalie. The MAF vs. Murray debate has become so polarizing at this point that people forget that both goalies have bad flaws that will cost games. MAF has his positioning issues and Murray has his slow reflexes and cross crease mobility issues. Thing is MAF is so goddamn flashy (both good and bad) that when he (frank)s up it looks like such a spectacular dumpster fire that its easy to poop on him, where as Murray's goals against tend to look much cleaner and are easier to forgive.

I honestly am about equally at ease when both goalies are in net. I think their flaws are about equal and both give us a really good chance to win on any given night. What I don't like is how much MAF has been playing. MAF is a rhythm guy so he needs a lot of starts, but now that Murray's back I want his workload scaled back a bit. I think he could use a breather.
- Victoro311

Really? I've always thought MAF is pretty sound positioning-wise, except when he strays from the net. Remember it was Murray giving up all of those near post goals from bad angles. I guess that is more technique than positioning per se since he is there, just doesn't have it sealed. But yes, much less athletic than MAF (which can be said about almost every other goalie). I was actually starting to worry about the 5 hole goals MAF was giving up early in the season because he almost never gives those up.

I agree, most goalies have warts and most goalies can stand on their head one night and be a sieve the next. I would like to see Murray get some work, especially with the Pens D not doing as well as last year's playoffs. See if Murray can rise above it and bail them out. It will also go a ways to determine if we can trust him with the #1 role from here on out in regard to trading MAF sooner or later (or after the season if it looks like we will need him for the duration).

Really? I've always thought MAF is pretty sound positioning-wise, except when he strays from the net. Remember it was Murray giving up all of those near post goals from bad angles. I guess that is more technique than positioning per se since he is there, just doesn't have it sealed. But yes, much less athletic than MAF (which can be said about almost every other goalie). I was actually starting to worry about the 5 hole goals MAF was giving up early in the season because he almost never gives those up.

I agree, most goalies have warts and most goalies can stand on their head one night and be a sieve the next. I would like to see Murray get some work, especially with the Pens D not doing as well as last year's playoffs. See if Murray can rise above it and bail them out. It will also go a ways to determine if we can trust him with the #1 role from here on out ala trading MAF sooner or later (or after the season if it looks like we will need him for the duration).
- T-Train

Nah MAF's Achilles is definitely his lack of sound positioning fundamentals. That's why he's always making super athletic saves/flailing around (depending on how you want to look at it). He has a tendency to overplay things and get caught out of position forcing him to fall back on his ridiculous athleticism and great reflexes.

When Murray gets caught out of position, its normally due to his slow footedness getting across the crease. That kid has solid fundamentals, but he has issues moving side to side, and that's why we see gaffes like the super weak goals he gave up several times on wrap arounds. The bad angle softies on Murr aren't due to positioning either. Those goals went over his glove, which is the other weakness I talked about. He has slow reflexes which allows team to expose him glove side. Murray can find tricks to compensate for his slowness, but I think his reflexes with his glove will always be a problem, just like at this point in his career, MAF is set in his ways and will never develop sound positioning fundamentals.

Like I said, both have warts. Both are good goalies. The decision to go with one or the other moving forward is purely a question of the salary cap.

Nah MAF's Achilles is definitely his lack of sound positioning fundamentals. That's why he's always making super athletic saves/flailing around (depending on how you want to look at it). He has a tendency to overplay things and get caught out of position forcing him to fall back on his ridiculous athleticism and great reflexes.

When Murray gets caught out of position, its normally due to his slow footedness getting across the crease. That kid has solid fundamentals, but he has issues moving side to side, and that's why we see gaffes like the super weak goals he gave up several times on wrap arounds. The bad angle softies on Murr aren't due to positioning either. Those goals went over his glove, which is the other weakness I talked about. He has slow reflexes which allows team to expose him glove side. Murray can find tricks to compensate for his slowness, but I think his reflexes with his glove will always be a problem, just like at this point in his career, MAF is set in his ways and will never develop sound positioning fundamentals.

Like I said, both have warts. Both are good goalies. The decision to go with one or the other moving forward is purely a question of the salary cap.
- Victoro311

Nice analysis - I agree with most if not all. Part of MAF's deal is that he is the master of the poke check. But when he misses, it pretty much means that the goal is wide open. But yes, both are probably in the top 10-15 range with their own individual issues and that is probably where they top out, although both can get you a Cup, as we have seen. And yes, cap and expansion draft will force management's hand to deal MAF.

Unless your name is Lundqvist (probably not for much longer), Schneider, or Price or maybe Holtby, you have your warts as a goalie. The MAF vs. Murray debate has become so polarizing at this point that people forget that both goalies have bad flaws that will cost games. MAF has his positioning issues and Murray has his slow reflexes and cross crease mobility issues. Thing is MAF is so goddamn flashy (both good and bad) that when he (frank)s up it looks like such a spectacular dumpster fire that its easy to poop on him, where as Murray's goals against tend to look much cleaner and are easier to forgive.

I honestly am about equally at ease when both goalies are in net. I think their flaws are about equal and both give us a really good chance to win on any given night. What I don't like is how much MAF has been playing. MAF is a rhythm guy so he needs a lot of starts, but now that Murray's back I want his workload scaled back a bit. I think he could use a breather.
- Victoro311

I understand your point, but he just appears to be a goalie that can be everything at any time where the others are more consistent in their level - good or bad. If the King is off he's off he's not outstanding then miserable then good again. MAF is like sine wave Without the 'consistent' part. He can be top of his game 1 minute then take a dive to the depths the next - he's neither consistently good or bad if you know what I mean.

Muzza is at least consistent although playing with weaknesses - that hopefully can be coached out.

This is the NHL you all want so dont complain about Boychuk whining
The more old school you take out of the game the more whining and football antics sneak into it.
- Grinder47

Isn't Boychuk part of the old school players?

Looked like he ran into Sid, doubt he thought Sid would hold his place & drop his shoulder into the contact - he was wrong! Then he got embarrassed further when Sid scored. Seems like he was just whinging because he lost & got embarrassed!!