I don't think anyone is suggesting trading Virtanen. I think Booner just means that if he is feeling entitled or is showing a bad attitude, he can easily be sent down to Utica

Drouin was not playing well according to the coach, eventually went down and performed really well there and came back a better player. I would love for the same situation to replicate itself with JV, minus the hold out.

All of Kucherov, Palat, Killorn, Johnson and Namestnikov all spent time with the AHL team at various points. Its too bad the Canucks are too desperate for wins to let some of the kids come along at a slower rate
- WhiteLie

Sure that can all happen.... there has been lots of talk of sending JV down for attitude etc.... he needs to mature etc... he needs to get his game to work etc.... funny why that can't happen with the Canucks ....

I don't think anyone is suggesting trading Virtanen. I think Booner just means that if he is feeling entitled or is showing a bad attitude, he can easily be sent down to Utica

Drouin was not playing well according to the coach, eventually went down and performed really well there and came back a better player. I would love for the same situation to replicate itself with JV, minus the hold out.

All of Kucherov, Palat, Killorn, Johnson and Namestnikov all spent time with the AHL team at various points. Its too bad the Canucks are too desperate for wins to let some of the kids come along at a slower rate
- WhiteLie

Not to mention Virtanen had zero business being in the NHL last season.

he should have been in Calgary last year and Utica at the start of this season.

Are you in the trade him crowd...? Remember Drouin situation... was much worse right....hmmm look where Bolts went when they gave him the opportunity ...
- Nuck4U

No. I'm not in the trade him crowd. I know he can be a player we desperately need. I'm just wondering if it's going to be a difficult undertaking. I know in other situations, people would be discussing at some level the amount of red flags we are seeing but it seems to be getting channeled towards the coach by the usual crowd on here.

We are lacking in offence so 51% of the poll wants Etem back? what?

Unless he's permanently in Utica, No thanks...

Plus the guy has just had his first child, he'll pull a Vrbata and disappear completely this year.
- Nznuck

Etem can play over Megna for up to 10 games before he can be sent down. He was our asset so why not use him while we have injuries .... see what happens... baby is in Vancouver so more motivation to stay and play well.

if he isn't better then what we have then he can help in the A adding to the talent pool there which helps everyone's development.

Not to mention Virtanen had zero business being in the NHL last season.

he should have been in Calgary last year and Utica at the start of this season.
- classic321

No Christmas cards for JV I see .... zero... really...with what choices this team has...

Sure that can all happen.... there has been lots of talk of sending JV down for attitude etc.... he needs to mature etc... he needs to get his game to work etc.... funny why that can't happen with the Canucks ....
- Nuck4U

I'm sure the coach is asking the same question like most of the guys here. Why?

You have such a single-minded way of seeing things. It creates a lot of confusion for yourself.

If he is not ready to be a professional in the NHL, then he can go where the other prospects have gone to mature. It's a little early for JV to play the "I've tried everything" card. He kind of skipped the part where he works harder, does what he's told and shows the coach he is a better choice than a try out player who chewed through rope to be a Canuck.

You really do see him as entitled don't you?

No. I'm not in the trade him crowd. I know he can be a player we desperately need. I'm just wondering if it's going to be a difficult undertaking. I know in other situations, people would be discussing at some level the amount of red flags we are seeing but it seems to be getting channeled towards the coach by the usual crowd on here.
- boonerbuck

Okay ... fair enough ... he is needed.... guess we all are talking about how he can be effective... then.

He's a young guy frustrated by his game and how he's being used... that part is on the coach as he hasn't handled this player well...

On the player it's up to him to find a way to work through the adversity and show beyond doubt he belongs...

If he doesn't do it here then he'll get sent down and go through the growing pains to come back some day and try to do it again.

Issue is if he is being utilized correctly...? I don't see JV as a cerebral high hockey IQ player that can adjust to any linemate and play well... he may need to bond and develop chemistry with one or two other players to shine. His natural skill set doesn't come out unless he knows what and where he's supposed to go with the guys he's playing with... when that happens his other gear comes out... saw that more last season when he was kept with Bo and Baer over a long period of time.

Etem can play over Megna for up to 10 games before he can be sent down. He was our asset so why not use him while we have injuries .... see what happens... baby is in Vancouver so more motivation to stay and play well.

if he isn't better then what we have then he can help in the A adding to the talent pool there which helps everyone's development.
- Nuck4U

Is paying Etem 775K to play in the A worth it?

I'm sure the coach is asking the same question like most of the guys here. Why?

You have such a single-minded way of seeing things. It creates a lot of confusion for yourself.

If he is not ready to be a professional in the NHL, then he can go where the other prospects have gone to mature. It's a little early for JV to play the "I've tried everything" card. He kind of skipped the part where he works harder, does what he's told and shows the coach he is a better choice than a try out player who chewed through rope to be a Canuck.

You really do see him as entitled don't you?

- boonerbuck

Is paying Etem 775K to play in the A worth it?
- A_SteamingLombardi

Only if I see his salary missing from my bank account at the end of the season would it not...

Everyone should relax man, let those guys figure it out. Come December we are looking at a clearer picture.
- VanHockeyGuy

Is paying Etem 775K to play in the A worth it?
- A_SteamingLombardi

Is it your money ...?

Plus doesn't count toward the cap so why not...?

Okay ... fair enough ... he is needed.... guess we all are talking about how he can be effective... then.

He's a young guy frustrated by his game and how he's being used... that part is on the coach as he hasn't handled this player well...

On the player it's up to him to find a way to work through the adversity and show beyond doubt he belongs...

If he doesn't do it here then he'll get sent down and go through the growing pains to come back some day and try to do it again.

Issue is if he is being utilized correctly...? I don't see JV as a cerebral high hockey IQ player that can adjust to any linemate and play well... he may need to bond and develop chemistry with one or two other players to shine. His natural skill set doesn't come out unless he knows what and where he's supposed to go with the guys he's playing with... when that happens his other gear comes out... saw that more last season when he was kept with Bo and Baer over a long period of time.
- Nuck4U

Funny how different this market perceive things. There is a hate for WD here, so naturally the coach is at fault for handling JV when he complains about his usage and ice time. But when Drouin initially complained about his usage in Tampa, this thread was going all out calling him a whiny, entitled baby that the Canucks shouldn't try to trade for

I'm sure the coach is asking the same question like most of the guys here. Why?

You have such a single-minded way of seeing things. It creates a lot of confusion for yourself.

If he is not ready to be a professional in the NHL, then he can go where the other prospects have gone to mature. It's a little early for JV to play the "I've tried everything" card. He kind of skipped the part where he works harder, does what he's told and shows the coach he is a better choice than a try out player who chewed through rope to be a Canuck.

You really do see him as entitled don't you?

- boonerbuck

I am really glad you are back. You call it as you see it. No screwing around

Funny how different this market perceive things. There is a hate for WD here, so naturally the coach is at fault for handling JV when he complains about his usage and ice time. But when Drouin initially complained about his usage in Tampa, this thread was going all out calling him a whiny, entitled baby that the Canucks shouldn't try to trade for
- WhiteLie

Damn I wish we had Drouin.

Funny how different this market perceive things. There is a hate for WD here, so naturally the coach is at fault for handling JV when he complains about his usage and ice time. But when Drouin initially complained about his usage in Tampa, this thread was going all out calling him a whiny, entitled baby that the Canucks shouldn't try to trade for
- WhiteLie

This was because he refused to play for TBL AHL team. If JV did the same we would say that same about him.

Damn I wish we had Drouin.
- golfingsince

Edler?

I'm sure the coach is asking the same question like most of the guys here. Why?

You have such a single-minded way of seeing things. It creates a lot of confusion for yourself.

If he is not ready to be a professional in the NHL, then he can go where the other prospects have gone to mature. It's a little early for JV to play the "I've tried everything" card. He kind of skipped the part where he works harder, does what he's told and shows the coach he is a better choice than a try out player who chewed through rope to be a Canuck.

You really do see him as entitled don't you?

- boonerbuck

Entitled no... but you got your opinion WD Knows what he is doing and JV is a snot nosed kid who needs a heavy hand to shape up... ride the bus in the A kid and earn it .... no confusion there .... I see your single minded approach crystal clear ....

I just don't discount what you say and call your opinion 💩 ...
... guess being fair and discussing views is confusing

If anyone wants a sneak peek of Saturday's VAN-WASH game tune in the EDM-0-WASH-0 game right now. Same thing, but less offence
- VanHockeyGuy

Except in our game it will be 4-1 WAS.

Edler?
- VANTEL

I wish. Gonna cost a hell of a lot more than that.

I am really glad you are back. You call it as you see it. No screwing around
- VANTEL

So what's wrong with this post...?

No. I'm not in the trade him crowd. I know he can be a player we desperately need. I'm just wondering if it's going to be a difficult undertaking. I know in other situations, people would be discussing at some level the amount of red flags we are seeing but it seems to be getting channeled towards the coach by the usual crowd on here.
- boonerbuck


Okay ... fair enough ... he is needed.... guess we all are talking about how he can be effective... then.

He's a young guy frustrated by his game and how he's being used... that part is on the coach as he hasn't handled this player well...

On the player it's up to him to find a way to work through the adversity and show beyond doubt he belongs...

If he doesn't do it here then he'll get sent down and go through the growing pains to come back some day and try to do it again.

Issue is if he is being utilized correctly...? I don't see JV as a cerebral high hockey IQ player that can adjust to any linemate and play well... he may need to bond and develop chemistry with one or two other players to shine. His natural skill set doesn't come out unless he knows what and where he's supposed to go with the guys he's playing with... when that happens his other gear comes out... saw that more last season when he was kept with Bo and Baer over a long period of time.

Funny how different this market perceive things. There is a hate for WD here, so naturally the coach is at fault for handling JV when he complains about his usage and ice time. But when Drouin initially complained about his usage in Tampa, this thread was going all out calling him a whiny, entitled baby that the Canucks shouldn't try to trade for
- WhiteLie

Drouin situation was different asked for a trade and failed to report to A ... he had more talent at the time ahead of him like Stamkos until he got injured.

JV.... no talent ahead of him but a plug named Skille and Megna... wouldn't that be frustrating ... but my explanation on how he learns and is utilized is on the coach ... handling young players was supposed to be a WD strength for this rebuilding team.... haven't seen that with JV... but hey time will tell... no hate there... just disappointment

Except in our game it will be 4-1 WAS.
- LordHumungous

That will be a tough game and on a back to back against the no slouch Oil.... only chance Nucks got is to score first and shut the door

So what's wrong with this post...?

No. I'm not in the trade him crowd. I know he can be a player we desperately need. I'm just wondering if it's going to be a difficult undertaking. I know in other situations, people would be discussing at some level the amount of red flags we are seeing but it seems to be getting channeled towards the coach by the usual crowd on here.
- boonerbuck


Okay ... fair enough ... he is needed.... guess we all are talking about how he can be effective... then.

He's a young guy frustrated by his game and how he's being used... that part is on the coach as he hasn't handled this player well...

On the player it's up to him to find a way to work through the adversity and show beyond doubt he belongs...

If he doesn't do it here then he'll get sent down and go through the growing pains to come back some day and try to do it again.

Issue is if he is being utilized correctly...? I don't see JV as a cerebral high hockey IQ player that can adjust to any linemate and play well... he may need to bond and develop chemistry with one or two other players to shine. His natural skill set doesn't come out unless he knows what and where he's supposed to go with the guys he's playing with... when that happens his other gear comes out... saw that more last season when he was kept with Bo and Baer over a long period of time.
- Nuck4U

We have known Booner for years , I was just saying welcome back from the summer.

I will be truthful, with some of the new posters I find there is a lot of back and forth so most times I just skip over posts. Some can get very lengthy and repetitive to what has been said for years on here.

I didn't even see what you and Booner were talking about , but I read his posts because I find them entertaining.

I do read some of the new posts but a lot I do just glance over, no offense meant.

I wish. Gonna cost a hell of a lot more than that.
- golfingsince

Were you wishing for him last season when he didn't report to the A..? I know we didn't have the assets unless it was Mcann plus plus ...