I think Pedan could have been a call up for emergency without risking waivers on the way down.

Lebate should have made the team out of camp . Well Canucks keeping players like Burrows on the line up instead of someone who beat him in training camp deserve the empty seats.

JV should have been in Utica. Rodin surprised them and now is LTIR. JB should be on the phone looking for a top 6 player.
- VANTEL

Anyone call be called up, if they play 10 games or are on the roster more than 30 days they require waivers again. Pedan could have been called up and been fine

Argument for Lebate could be made that he is better served in the AHL. Looked good in camp, but Kenins looked good for a 1 month stretch before coming way back down

And I agree with JV/Rodin comments. I don't think they need to find a definite/established top 6, but a skilled top 9 would suffice

Trust me I can see how many passengers are on this team. I also see the very same bad habits falling back into the teams repertoire .

I don't believe in finishing low to get a high draft pick because I have not heard many good or bad things about next years draft. You could be tanking and getting no better.

I do believe in trading.

I have seen enough of Edler and Tanev and know their ceiling , and I don't find it too impressive. It is reliable but that is it.

This team will be just around that 18 to 14 spot until the twins are moved.

They will walk and be honoured and because Canucks want to have a good reputation they will graciously grant them their wish.

Our problem is , not skilled enough and not tough enough. If you are not tough enough to stop them from scoring it is equally as important.
- VANTEL

Very possible and fair analysis .... good points above.

It's tough cause who doesn't want more skill and toughness... some strides have been made ... Guddy... Baer, Granny, Rodin, Tree ... what else can be done...? Trades getting harder so it's draft time and wait a few years. We might get a first rounder ready for action but that is circumstantial. Late bloomers, college UFA's and finds in other leagues only other hope to boost this... plus prospect for prospect trades for needs but that is harder as needs like skill and size or wanted by all.

But don't see Twins walking they are very tied to community plus it's not all about money for them and who can afford to take them both ...? Look Hammer and Bieksa did not want to go they were forced.... that's not happening with the twins. It will stain the club for decades.

They made commitment to these vets they weren't going to burn the chemistry for team in risking it on raw rookies even though they showed promise. Plus what did Labate show in the A that puts him over JV...? Yeah i see the potential and he's come a long way... but the season is a grind and it takes a lot to learn the finer points of how to bring it. Plus Labate can still come up ... should have had him here over Skille to rotate into line up. But they wanted him to play more and develop.
- Nuck4U

Yes they made commitments to the next couple of years but don't sit and female dog ( Aquilini) about empty seats and fan disinterest.

Anyone call be called up, if they play 10 games or are on the roster more than 30 days they require waivers again. Pedan could have been called up and been fine

Argument for Lebate could be made that he is better served in the AHL. Looked good in camp, but Kenins looked good for a 1 month stretch before coming way back down

And I agree with JV/Rodin comments. I don't think they need to find a definite/established top 6, but a skilled top 9 would suffice
- WhiteLie

Lebate is 6'4 fights goes hard to the net. Kenins didn't

Anyone call be called up, if they play 10 games or are on the roster more than 30 days they require waivers again. Pedan could have been called up and been fine

Argument for Lebate could be made that he is better served in the AHL. Looked good in camp, but Kenins looked good for a 1 month stretch before coming way back down

And I agree with JV/Rodin comments. I don't think they need to find a definite/established top 6, but a skilled top 9 would suffice
- WhiteLie

Lebate is 6'4 fights goes hard to the net. Kenins didn't

Anyone call be called up, if they play 10 games or are on the roster more than 30 days they require waivers again. Pedan could have been called up and been fine

Argument for Lebate could be made that he is better served in the AHL. Looked good in camp, but Kenins looked good for a 1 month stretch before coming way back down

And I agree with JV/Rodin comments. I don't think they need to find a definite/established top 6, but a skilled top 9 would suffice
- WhiteLie

Yes no re-entry waivers and waiver elegibility resets after the above... though not sure what difference is with emergency call up anymore. The only problem is roster size so if players aren't placed on IR you would have to waive someone to bring up a guy from the A. Why going to the A is not a temp thing it lasts until there are injuries. Rare is there the situation you waive a guy to bring up a guy. Can happen with disposable players like Skille I guess

Yes they made commitments to the next couple of years but don't sit and female dog ( Aquilini) about empty seats and fan disinterest.
- VANTEL

I never have ... but others have or advocate it should happen so they clean house

I never have ... but others have or advocate it should happen so they clean house
- Nuck4U

I said Aquillini, not you .

We're agreeing, I'm just saying their lack of success wasn't from lack of picks.
- LeftCoaster

Sorry, I though I also mentioned lack of quality in those picks.

I said Aquillini, not you .
- VANTEL

As we know despite what Linden says on autonomy, if this team comes anywhere close to the pace Vegas suggests, there will be changes in November.

Virtanen has to show that today he is more effective than Skille (on a consistent basis) in the roles that line is being utilized for. And he shouldn't be MAYBE better or marginally better, or sometimes better but less consistent. If JV can't make a convincing case to earn a spot on the third line then he should be sent to the AHL until he is ready to easily make that case.
- RonPielep

Has JV been give the ample opportunity and time on line with Bo and Baer...? His lines have been mixed and chemistry seems important to his ability to succeed ... he doesn't seem an easily adaptable player that has a high hockey IQ that can bring it with anyone at anytime.... JV seems to need to bond and develop chemistry with his line mates so he knows where to go and how to set himself up to bring on his skill set .... spending time in the A don't know if that will develop how he plays or learns... it's like teaching size... he just is different it seems ... but his skill set set is needed so why not invest in him...?

I never have ... but others have or advocate it should happen so they clean house
- Nuck4U

If you see empty seats?

Good...it's about time him or his agent stood up and said something!!

So here's a kid that was deemed good enough to draft 6th overall because he was top 5 in all of the CHL for goal scoring during draft year, the team desperately needs scoring, but there's ole idiot-stick Willie D feeding him 9 minutes of ice a night.

I wish someone would buy this club and clean house
- LeftCoaster

He's not playing good enough to be in the line up while healthy and needs the minutes to develop but.... he would be getting those minutes in Utica I'm sure(so chill out about his development) but we have a couple of banged up bodies. The way I see it, he's filling holes only right now... so why the (frank) would they take minutes away from NHLers? Kid has an attitude...

Has JV been give the ample opportunity and time on line with Bo and Baer...? His lines have been mixed and chemistry seems important to his ability to succeed ... he doesn't seem an easily adaptable player that has a high hockey IQ that can bring it with anyone at anytime.... JV seems to need to bond and develop chemistry with his line mates so he knows where to go and how to set himself up to bring on his skill set .... spending time in the A don't know if that will develop how he plays or learns... it's like teaching size... he just is different it seems ... but his skill set set is needed so why not invest in him...?
- Nuck4U

It's not really a luxury the team has right now, they need to win games.

Remember when Cody Hodgson refused to whine publicly about his misgivings which some were the fault of the coach himself? Everyone went on and on about him whining based on rumors after he left that were never confirmed by anyone not named Gillis or AV.

Right now we have a kid with a serious attitude who has already lashed out to the media about his captain and now coach. A player who skates around looking to get even on the ice... a player who has already had some attention drawn from his team mates and management for what ever reason off the ice...

It's time to start discussing what kind of personality we are dealing with here.

It's not really a luxury the team has right now, they need to win games.
- VanHockeyGuy

I'll just leave it at that.

I can't wait for him to get fired. I was happy we had him when we got him. After that first season, Less so.
- Retinalz

He has been frustrating and his explanations on who and why head scratchers but it could be worse Tortella worse .... good proven coaches hard to find...

Who's really an option willing to come here ... is Green a proven enough coach to take over...? Here's the rub if you bring in another unproven coach who will stumble with the difficulties on the team... it's not an easy solution....

Would you like to see Crowe back here...? He campaigned for a job but only Sens gave him an associate coach spot with Guy bore me now Boucher...

So what coaches out there will make a real difference for this team... who can we get that will be better..?

And I am not advocating we need to keep WD either ....

Remember when Cody Hodgson refused to whine publicly about his misgivings which some were the fault of the coach himself? Everyone went on and on about him whining based on rumors after he left that were never confirmed by anyone not named Gillis or AV.

Right now we have a kid with a serious attitude who has already lashed out to the media about his captain and now coach. A player who skates around looking to get even on the ice... a player who has already had some attention drawn from his team mates and management for what ever reason off the ice...

It's time to start discussing what kind of personality we are dealing with here.
- boonerbuck

You have to think management is dealing with personal issues on numerous fronts right now. These are distractions you don't need this early.

Remember when Cody Hodgson refused to whine publicly about his misgivings which some were the fault of the coach himself? Everyone went on and on about him whining based on rumors after he left that were never confirmed by anyone not named Gillis or AV.

Right now we have a kid with a serious attitude who has already lashed out to the media about his captain and now coach. A player who skates around looking to get even on the ice... a player who has already had some attention drawn from his team mates and management for what ever reason off the ice...

It's time to start discussing what kind of personality we are dealing with here.
- boonerbuck

Are you in the trade him crowd...? Remember Drouin situation... was much worse right....hmmm look where Bolts went when they gave him the opportunity ...

Are you in the trade him crowd...? Remember Drouin situation... was much worse right....hmmm look where Bolts went when they gave him the opportunity ...
- Nuck4U

Everyone should relax man, let those guys figure it out. Come December we are looking at a clearer picture.

As we know despite what Linden says on autonomy, if this team comes anywhere close to the pace Vegas suggests, there will be changes in November.
- VanHockeyGuy

As it should be. It is early where you try to salvage it or hold an early fire sale and beat the rush.

If anyone wants a sneak peek of Saturday's VAN-WASH game tune in the EDM-0-WASH-0 game right now. Same thing, but less offence

Are you in the trade him crowd...? Remember Drouin situation... was much worse right....hmmm look where Bolts went when they gave him the opportunity ...
- Nuck4U

I don't think anyone is suggesting trading Virtanen. I think Booner just means that if he is feeling entitled or is showing a bad attitude, he can easily be sent down to Utica

Drouin was not playing well according to the coach, eventually went down and performed really well there and came back a better player. I would love for the same situation to replicate itself with JV, minus the hold out.

All of Kucherov, Palat, Killorn, Johnson and Namestnikov all spent time with the AHL team at various points. Its too bad the Canucks are too desperate for wins to let some of the kids come along at a slower rate

It's not really a luxury the team has right now, they need to win games.
- VanHockeyGuy

It's not a luxury situation if he can add to the factor of winning games and how is Skille or Megna playing ahead of JV winning games ...?

There are two different camps of fans here. The bubble team fans who predict 82-88 pts .

The second group is the draftist crowd who say Canucks finish 65 points.

I think Makita calls them the circle jerks vs the sky is falling.

The difference between the to groups is about 9 wins.

We will sit here and argue all year over 9 wins or bragging rights.
- VANTEL

I'm willing to bet you could find a lot more people predicting over 88 pts than 65 a couple of weeks or even days ago.