That's completely untrue as well, Gillis picked from 08 to 2013, seven picks per year per team is 42 picks....he picked 37 times. Including six first round picks.
- LeftCoaster

And how many of those have turned into something? Hodgson is his most successful draft pick. HOw has that worked out? Hutton and Bo look like studs and will likely have great careers. so 2.5/37 (Hodgson gets a half point). Not great at all.

There are two different camps of fans here. The bubble team fans who predict 82-88 pts .

The second group is the draftist crowd who say Canucks finish 65 points.

I think Makita calls them the circle jerks vs the sky is falling.

The difference between the to groups is about 9 wins.

We will sit here and argue all year over 9 wins or bragging rights.

There are two different camps of fans here. The bubble team fans who predict 82-88 pts .

The second group is the draftist crowd who say Canucks finish 65 points.

I think Makita calls them the circle jerks vs the sky is falling.

The difference between the to groups is about 9 wins.

We will sit here and argue all year over 9 wins or bragging rights.
- VANTEL

I predict 81 points though...so which group am I in?

I predict 81 points though...so which group am I in?
- Retinalz

Definitely bubble. Welcome fellow circle jerker.

What does he have to show to do that...? Steal his spot ...? Why is Skille bringing to have earned that...?
- Nuck4U

Virtanen has to show that today he is more effective than Skille (on a consistent basis) in the roles that line is being utilized for. And he shouldn't be MAYBE better or marginally better, or sometimes better but less consistent. If JV can't make a convincing case to earn a spot on the third line then he should be sent to the AHL until he is ready to easily make that case.

There are two different camps of fans here. The bubble team fans who predict 82-88 pts .

The second group is the draftist crowd who say Canucks finish 65 points.

I think Makita calls them the circle jerks vs the sky is falling.

The difference between the to groups is about 9 wins.

We will sit here and argue all year over 9 wins or bragging rights.
- VANTEL

65-75 = sky is falling
80-90 = circle jerk

My guess is 78.

65-75 = sky is falling
80-90 = circle jerk

My guess is 78.
- RonPielep

Fence sitters

Fence sitters
- VANTEL

Correct.

Correct.
- RonPielep

Probably right where they will finish

There are two different camps of fans here. The bubble team fans who predict 82-88 pts .

The second group is the draftist crowd who say Canucks finish 65 points.

I think Makita calls them the circle jerks vs the sky is falling.

The difference between the to groups is about 9 wins.

We will sit here and argue all year over 9 wins or bragging rights.
- VANTEL

I think it's more about how management perceives this team. Do they feel we are a contender? Bringing in a guy like LE suggests they do.

If they truly feel we are contenders, then it makes me among others have less confidence in them moving forward.

I think it's more about how management perceives this team. Do they feel we are a contender? Bringing in a guy like LE suggests they do.

If they truly feel we are contenders, then it makes me among others have less confidence in them moving forward.
- golfingsince

I don't mind being wrong and I mind losing.

I don't like no efforts.

When you see a team not crashing and hitting and losing , that is hard to stomach.

Someone said the other night if we traded Tanev or Edler there would be a big hole in the D. I don't want to see years and years of no bite back .

I like Stecher so far and I like Hutton and Gudbrandson. The rest of the D is too soft IMO .

You can't have players taking half a year to find their game , that is the purpose of the AHL. Develop your players there not on the big team.

I think it's more about how management perceives this team. Do they feel we are a contender? Bringing in a guy like LE suggests they do.

If they truly feel we are contenders, then it makes me among others have less confidence in them moving forward.
- golfingsince

What type of contenders? Cup contenders ? Not a chance . Making the playoffs contenders? Possibly.

If Sven LE put in two or three goals we are talking an impressive record.

if you have a fourth line that chips in goals again different results.

I don't see why the hell you send in Burrows Larsen Sbisa Tanev to LA when you have guys with size like Pedan Lebate and Tryamkin. We got pushed around both California games. I am losing my faith in WD judgement nd decision making.

You have two many players this year not doing their job

What type of contenders? Cup contenders ? Not a chance . Making the playoffs contenders? Possibly.

If Sven LE put in two or three goals we are talking an impressive record.

if you have a fourth line that chips in goals again different results.

I don't see why the hell you send in Burrows Larsen Sbisa Tanev to LA when you have guys with size like Pedan Lebate and Tryamkin. We got pushed around both California games. I am losing my faith in WD judgement nd decision making.

You have two many players this year not doing their job
- VANTEL

If you're barely playoff contenders, which is how I would characterize the team ( I mean, they could make it but it's not bloody likely) then adding big contracts and spending to the cap might not be the best idea.

Sure, we could have had different results in our losses. Just as easily however we could have had different results with our victories.

I know you always like the big tough guy but none of those guys you mention have shown they can make a difference.

Our problem isn't that we aren't tough enough, our problem is that we aren't skilled (good) enough.

If you're barely playoff contenders, which is how I would characterize the team ( I mean, they could make it but it's not bloody likely) then adding big contracts and spending to the cap might not be the best idea.

Sure, we could have had different results in our losses. Just as easily however we could have had different results with our victories.

I know you always like the big tough guy but none of those guys you mention have shown they can make a difference.

Our problem isn't that we aren't tough enough, our problem is that we aren't skilled (good) enough.
- golfingsince

I think it's more about how management perceives this team. Do they feel we are a contender? Bringing in a guy like LE suggests they do.

If they truly feel we are contenders, then it makes me among others have less confidence in them moving forward.
- golfingsince

That was not a CUP move but more let's try to get into play offs...

They had the cap space and wanted to be competitive with twins here while rebuilding ... it supposed to help the development of who is coming up....

Playoffs help younger guys like Bo, Baer etc learn those aspects of the game ... it's all positive experience for younger core where vets csn guide in if it works out.

That's one way of building a team the other is get the hightest draft picks you can ....

If you're barely playoff contenders, which is how I would characterize the team ( I mean, they could make it but it's not bloody likely) then adding big contracts and spending to the cap might not be the best idea.

Sure, we could have had different results in our losses. Just as easily however we could have had different results with our victories.

I know you always like the big tough guy but none of those guys you mention have shown they can make a difference.

Our problem isn't that we aren't tough enough, our problem is that we aren't skilled (good) enough.
- golfingsince

Trust me I can see how many passengers are on this team. I also see the very same bad habits falling back into the teams repertoire .

I don't believe in finishing low to get a high draft pick because I have not heard many good or bad things about next years draft. You could be tanking and getting no better.

I do believe in trading.

I have seen enough of Edler and Tanev and know their ceiling , and I don't find it too impressive. It is reliable but that is it.

This team will be just around that 18 to 14 spot until the twins are moved.

They will walk and be honoured and because Canucks want to have a good reputation they will graciously grant them their wish.

Our problem is , not skilled enough and not tough enough. If you are not tough enough to stop them from scoring it is equally as important.

What type of contenders? Cup contenders ? Not a chance . Making the playoffs contenders? Possibly.

If Sven LE put in two or three goals we are talking an impressive record.

if you have a fourth line that chips in goals again different results.

I don't see why the hell you send in Burrows Larsen Sbisa Tanev to LA when you have guys with size like Pedan Lebate and Tryamkin. We got pushed around both California games. I am losing my faith in WD judgement nd decision making.

You have two many players this year not doing their job
- VANTEL

One problem was Utica is too far plus second they made commitment to Bur and DD as vets for line up.

Not defending WD... he's got plenty to answer for but Labate was suspended waiting punishment... Pedan not risking to waive again and Tree they say isn't game ready... though they don't show confidence in Greneir either.

Canucks don't have power forwards that have the speed to play ... why JV handling is an issue ... why they signed Skille who has no hands ... why they may reclaim Etem

One problem was Utica is too far plus second they made commitment to Bur and DD as vets for line up.

Not defending WD... he's got plenty to answer for but Labate was suspended waiting punishment... Pedan not risking to waive again and Tree they say isn't game ready... though they don't show confidence in Greneir either.

Canucks don't have power forwards that have the speed to play ... why JV handling is an issue ... why they signed Skille who has no hands ... why they may reclaim Etem
- Nuck4U

I think Pedan could have been a call up for emergency without risking waivers on the way down.

Lebate should have made the team out of camp . Well Canucks keeping players like Burrows on the line up instead of someone who beat him in training camp deserve the empty seats.

JV should have been in Utica. Rodin surprised them and now is LTIR. JB should be on the phone looking for a top 6 player.

There are two different camps of fans here. The bubble team fans who predict 82-88 pts .

The second group is the draftist crowd who say Canucks finish 65 points.

I think Makita calls them the circle jerks vs the sky is falling.

The difference between the to groups is about 9 wins.

We will sit here and argue all year over 9 wins or bragging rights.
- VANTEL

You forgot the burn the barn sell all the horses to the glue factory there is no hope but to suck for years I am ashamed fan

The we suck crowd is different from the we should tank crowd in that the tank people believe we have some assets to play into draft picks. That tanking is a temporary measure to try to get a 1OA. But in the lotto system you can still find yourself out of the top 3 so you wasted a development year with players on the team if all they learn is how to lose.

The we suck there is no hope this team will finish in the bottom for years and get used to it crowd just sees we don't have the skill or players to compete. Saviors don't come alongside often and can't do it without a supporting cast so they see it will take years to develop. In the mean time enjoy the hazing of following a bad team.

But seriously is there no middle ground...? Build through the draft, make some trades to be younger and compeltatve to develop good winning habits among younger players ...or at least try to...? Is trying to be competitive with a chance to win believed to be stroking it with blinders on...? No delusions there it's a hit or miss slim margin to succeed.... consolation of failure is better draft odds for lotto pick.

As Vantel is saying no Canuck fans are calling this team Cup contenders. Some think they are a last place or close to the bottom team and others say they have a chance to make he playoffs it really can be a small margin of point differences between the two. Unless of course you prescribe to the theory this is the worst team ever or close to it at sixty something points.

But bottom line there are assets being developed or can come up...? Or is this a team full of aging vets that should be scraped or traded for draft picks...? Twins are oldest assets but unique circumstance and untradable unless Vegas takes them In a trade end of season. Well depends on what you get versus what benefits you lose on them being on the club.

Factors are varied for above but there are always business and hockey decions at play along with agendas by management and coaches that have different needs at times.

I am pretty much going to comment on anything of yours that has a tread of either being realistic/sarcastic with #backatitagainwiththelatenightzingers.
- Codes1087

Golfingsince


He appreciates my rare sense of humor. Has one of his own.

And how many of those have turned into something? Hodgson is his most successful draft pick. HOw has that worked out? Hutton and Bo look like studs and will likely have great careers. so 2.5/37 (Hodgson gets a half point). Not great at all.
- Retinalz

We're agreeing, I'm just saying their lack of success wasn't from lack of picks.

I think Pedan could have been a call up for emergency without risking waivers on the way down.

Lebate should have made the team out of camp . Well Canucks keeping players like Burrows on the line up instead of someone who beat him in training camp deserve the empty seats.

JV should have been in Utica. Rodin surprised them and now is LTIR. JB should be on the phone looking for a top 6 player.
- VANTEL

They made commitment to these vets they weren't going to burn the chemistry for team in risking it on raw rookies even though they showed promise. Plus what did Labate show in the A that puts him over JV...? Yeah i see the potential and he's come a long way... but the season is a grind and it takes a lot to learn the finer points of how to bring it. Plus Labate can still come up ... should have had him here over Skille to rotate into line up. But they wanted him to play more and develop.

We're agreeing, I'm just saying their lack of success wasn't from lack of picks.
- LeftCoaster

YEah they had more duds then picking the right guys or developing players ....

Huh?

He played 17 minutes his first game. He wasn't trying to bury him, more like trying to add balance to the lineup.
- golfingsince

IKR

He played less than half the 17 minutes with Dorsett and Burrows... included in that was PP, PK, 4 on 4 and OT, and a number of shifts 5 on 5 with other linemates.

People are (frank)ing sheep I swear.