There's a difference between me complaining about the coach and some of you that complain that the players we have aren't good.

Granted, there are some (Cody Franson) that I'd rather not have on the team, but that's the nature of the NHL these days.

We have plenty of guys with plenty of talent. But our coach seems to just beat guys down until they're a shell of themselves and have no clue of where to be or what to do.

I'm not sure what his "system" is, but it's clearly NOT working. AT ALL
- HonkFortheGoose

I was ridiculed last year for claiming Bylsma's system was the problem....good coaches find ways to maximize the contributions of truly talented players...right now Disco Dan is failing with Reinhart, Kane, and Grigensons...even Eichel (pre-injury) and ROR are not playing up to their potential

There's a difference between me complaining about the coach and some of you that complain that the players we have aren't good.

Granted, there are some (Cody Franson) that I'd rather not have on the team, but that's the nature of the NHL these days.

We have plenty of guys with plenty of talent. But our coach seems to just beat guys down until they're a shell of themselves and have no clue of where to be or what to do.

I'm not sure what his "system" is, but it's clearly NOT working. AT ALL
- HonkFortheGoose

We really don't though. This isn't a 6 game slump. This is something people outside of Buffalo predicted because of the lack of talent on this team.

I fail to see the need to solely blame one of the only guys in this organization who has previously been very successful (Bylsma)

Does he deserve some? Absolutely. But this isn't a super talented team being held back by a coach. It's a coach trying to compensate for a lack of talent, by playing a boring, defensive style, that would work if our goalies didn't give up soft 50ft goals, or stand still at the blue line while guys skate past them

We have talent. That's not the problem.
- HonkFortheGoose

ever try and pick up a turd from the clean end ?

Pick up McIlrath - Defensemen from Rags, better than#6
- Irish 14

He's also better than #4

The top four on this team needs to be Risto, Kulikov, McCabe. Bogosian, playing Gorges with Ristolainen is ridiculous.

Also call up Schneider, Baptiste, Bailey, waive Grant, Deslauriers

I was ridiculed last year for claiming Bylsma's system was the problem....good coaches find ways to maximize the contributions of truly talented players...right now Disco Dan is failing with Reinhart, Kane, and Grigensons...even Eichel (pre-injury) and ROR are not playing up to their potential
- feetontheair22

The Girgensons thing bothers me the most I think. He is literally a shell of the player he was. And I get the point about guys needing to be able to adjust to playing in certain systems. I agree, to a point. But Girgensons doesn't even have the fire in his eyes that he used to. Byslma has done nothing but beat him down into a useless pile of nothing.

Hamilton mentioned it several times last year. Bylsma lays into them if they're not where he thinks they should be when they should be there. The team is playing too tentatively because they're too afraid of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I'm not saying that they need to go back to a Ted Nolan "just go out and play hard" system either. But there has to be someone out there that's capable of putting a system in place while also allowing the guys to do what they've done best in their careers as well. I know for sure, Bylsma is not that guy.

I was ridiculed last year for claiming Bylsma's system was the problem....good coaches find ways to maximize the contributions of truly talented players...right now Disco Dan is failing with Reinhart, Kane, and Grigensons...even Eichel (pre-injury) and ROR are not playing up to their potential
- feetontheair22

O'Reilly had his best year offensively last year considering he missed 11 games.

O'Reilly had his best year offensively last year considering he missed 11 games.
- sbroads24

And other than the Edmonton game, he looks like he has no clue what's going on out there.

His talent must have just vanished. Since we have none according to you.

O'Reilly had his best year offensively last year considering he missed 11 games.
- sbroads24

Fair enough...to clarify I meant ROR these first few games...but I still don't think ROR is playing as good as he could be (and that it is a result of him having to run around and do to much)

And other than the Edmonton game, he looks like he has no clue what's going on out there.

His talent must have just vanished. Since we have none according to you.
- HonkFortheGoose

That, or he just isn't playing well. I mean, Bylsma isn't on the ice holding his hand, telling him where to go, is he?

I don't agree with the way Bylsma is deploying some players, but those players also have to play.

Did Bylsma miss the empty net on Gionta's shot last night? Did he make Franson a slow skater? Did he hypnotize Bogo and Kulikov so they fell asleep at the blue line and let Eric Staal walk right past them?

The Girgensons thing bothers me the most I think. He is literally a shell of the player he was. And I get the point about guys needing to be able to adjust to playing in certain systems. I agree, to a point. But Girgensons doesn't even have the fire in his eyes that he used to. Byslma has done nothing but beat him down into a useless pile of nothing.

Hamilton mentioned it several times last year. Bylsma lays into them if they're not where he thinks they should be when they should be there. The team is playing too tentatively because they're too afraid of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I'm not saying that they need to go back to a Ted Nolan "just go out and play hard" system either. But there has to be someone out there that's capable of putting a system in place while also allowing the guys to do what they've done best in their careers as well. I know for sure, Bylsma is not that guy.
- HonkFortheGoose

Personally I think theyre all waiting for The Lederhosen Messiah to return to establish their roles. Theyre so young....OReilly, Okposo, Girgensons, Ennis, Gorges, Franson, Bogosian. all so young.

They NEED The Moses in The Hoses to lead them to the promised land.

Personally I think theyre all waiting for The Lederhosen Messiah to return to establish their roles. Theyre so young....OReilly, Okposo, Girgensons, Ennis, Gorges, Franson, Bogosian. all so young.

They NEED The Moses in The Hoses to lead them to the promised land.
- Ripped Fuel

That, or he just isn't playing well. I mean, Bylsma isn't on the ice holding his hand, telling him where to go, is he?

I don't agree with the way Bylsma is deploying some players, but those players also have to play.

Did Bylsma miss the empty net on Gionta's shot last night? Did he make Franson a slow skater? Did he hypnotize Bogo and Kulikov so they fell asleep at the blue line and let Eric Staal walk right past them?
- sbroads24

He's not putting them in a position to succeed either. But there's no point in me even arguing this with you because I know I'm not going to change my mind and you're not going to change yours. So agree to disagree.

EDIT: Except Franson. We both agree on how terrible of a skater he is and how it's pretty much become a burden to the rest of the team.

He's not putting them in a position to succeed either. But there's no point in me even arguing this with you because I know I'm not going to change my mind and you're not going to change yours. So agree to disagree.

EDIT: Except Franson. We both agree on how terrible of a skater he is and how it's pretty much become a burden to the rest of the team.
- HonkFortheGoose

Well like I said, I don't think Bylsma is great. I think he relies too much on players who suck like Gorges, Bogo, Gionta etc.

If we are going to suck, suck with Girgs, Fasching, McCabe, guys with potential to be really good

At some point the losses wouldn't be so bad so long as we could actually score. Toronto might not be piling up wins, but at least they're getting the puck in the net.

At some point the losses wouldn't be so bad so long as we could actually score. Toronto might not be piling up wins, but at least they're getting the puck in the net.
- HonkFortheGoose

I blame Ripped . All his comments from the past couple days have made it to the locker room. And the team is now brainwashed .

thanks Ripped

At some point the losses wouldn't be so bad so long as we could actually score. Toronto might not be piling up wins, but at least they're getting the puck in the net.
- HonkFortheGoose

yeah but...they took a short cut..with that tanking garbage...Id never want my team to lose on purpose to get top end talent. Theyre a disgrace to the integrity of the sport and don't deserve the talent they've got.

Fire Bylsma. Get some kids with fire up here. I'm done with the excuses.

Well like I said, I don't think Bylsma is great. I think he relies too much on players who suck like Gorges, Bogo, Gionta etc.

If we are going to suck, suck with Girgs, Fasching, McCabe, guys with potential to be really good
- sbroads24

Team speed is for sure an issue. But it shouldn't have to be as bad as it is either. Nothing against Fasching, but at this point with Eichel and Kane out, the guy I think they should have in the lineup is Baptiste. He had a killer camp and the kid has some serious wheels.

I blame Ripped . All his comments from the past couple days have made it to the locker room. And the team is now brainwashed .

thanks Ripped
- cabin

In The Land of The Blind, a one eyed man is King

In The Land of The Blind, a one eyed man is King
- Ripped Fuel

Sucktober has been bad . I hope Nogoalvember is better

There's a difference between me complaining about the coach and some of you that complain that the players we have aren't good.

Granted, there are some (Cody Franson) that I'd rather not have on the team, but that's the nature of the NHL these days.

We have plenty of guys with plenty of talent. But our coach seems to just beat guys down until they're a shell of themselves and have no clue of where to be or what to do.

I'm not sure what his "system" is, but it's clearly NOT working. AT ALL
- HonkFortheGoose

I have never said the players suck.... I have said they are a greatly overrated team, particularly by those on here......

At some point the losses wouldn't be so bad so long as we could actually score. Toronto might not be piling up wins, but at least they're getting the puck in the net.
- HonkFortheGoose

100% right but if Matthews and Marner weren't in the lineup it would be tougher

The Girgensons thing bothers me the most I think. He is literally a shell of the player he was. And I get the point about guys needing to be able to adjust to playing in certain systems. I agree, to a point. But Girgensons doesn't even have the fire in his eyes that he used to. Byslma has done nothing but beat him down into a useless pile of nothing.

Hamilton mentioned it several times last year. Bylsma lays into them if they're not where he thinks they should be when they should be there. The team is playing too tentatively because they're too afraid of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I'm not saying that they need to go back to a Ted Nolan "just go out and play hard" system either. But there has to be someone out there that's capable of putting a system in place while also allowing the guys to do what they've done best in their careers as well. I know for sure, Bylsma is not that guy.
- HonkFortheGoose

First problem... Players should NEVER have to adjust to a coaches system no matter what the sport... The coach should be molding his SYSTEM around the teams strengths....

Sucktober has been bad . I hope Nogoalvember is better
- cabin

Good luck with that.....

First problem... Players should NEVER have to adjust to a coaches system no matter what the sport... The coach should be molding his SYSTEM around the teams strengths....
- rapperray

good point . The coach isn't skating,shooting,defending,etc.. These players have talent that got them drafted and able to play in the NHL. Because a coach makes up a game plan to follow ,doesn't mean it will be the best vs every team. Let the players do what they have been programmed to do. Tweak some of their weaknesses . But don't try and reprogram them.