Pour yourself a scotch and grab a seat. Any Rags fan who comes in saying (frank) the Rangers is ok in my book
- BiggE

Troll lover

Remember game 82? That's how.
- Scoob

Damn. Well played.

I thought Mason got hurt and Neuwirth held down the fort.
- section32

Flip that around. Neuvirth played game 82 to get back in game shape after they clinched with Mason.

Exactly. Unless LA gives us one of Doughty, Muzzin, Kopitar, or Toffoli (which they won't) for Mason, he's more valuable on the Flyers than as trade bait.
- jmatchett383

I look at it as the same as Howie Roseman looked at Sam Bradford. His trade value is at its highest right now. And unlike Bradford that had a year left, he is a UFA at year's end. We are also in a similar build mode as the Eagles. Not quite there yet, but improving with young talent. That's why...we aren't a "win now at all costs" organization any longer.

By what measure is Weise not a top 9 player for this team?
- Feanor

He is not better than Schenn or Simmonds, Konecny or Voracek, and Raffl or Read. Tell me please, where that leaves him.

I look at it as the same as Howie Roseman looked at Sam Bradford. His trade value is at its highest right now. And unlike Bradford that had a year left, he is a UFA at year's end. We are also in a similar build mode as the Eagles. Not quite there yet, but improving with young talent. That's why...we aren't a "win now at all costs" organization any longer.
- section32

Okay. What are they going to give us that's going to upgrade (not break even) our roster 3-4 years down the road? The only players they have that fit the bill are Doughty, Muzzin, and Toffoli. I'm not interested in 1sts because they'll be 20-30 picks. So which one of those 3 players will the be sending us? This all assumes that one of Stolarz or Lyon become as good as Mason by that point, or else we're back to not having a goalie.

Also, no interest in a 34-year-old with a laundry list of injuries who's signed for 5 more years.

Or, you know...we could offer them Neuvirth for Pearson and a 1st, which is more realistic.

I look at it as the same as Howie Roseman looked at Sam Bradford. His trade value is at its highest right now. And unlike Bradford that had a year left, he is a UFA at year's end. We are also in a similar build mode as the Eagles. Not quite there yet, but improving with young talent. That's why...we aren't a "win now at all costs" organization any longer.
- section32

They knew that Bradford was not the long term solution, and the contract they gave him, pointed that out. Why is Mason not the long term solution in goal for the Flyers? He's 28 years old.

They knew that Bradford was not the long term solution, and the contract they gave him, pointed that out. Why is Mason not the long term solution in goal for the Flyers? He's 28 years old.
- MJL

They're not a good fit. The only thing the Kings have that I'd want, they won't trade for him, and the only things they'd trade for him, I don't want.

So the traditional umbrella setup is bad structure?

It's time to put the 1-3-1 to bed.
- Tomahawk

What you described is something like an overload. Plenty of teams do it. I know it's difficult for some to understand, but not every team has two people do nothing but sit in front. One swingman/net guy will go to the corner or behind the net, the other stays in front. There's always a screen. There's just another guy to handle the puck depending on the side.

By what measure is Weise not a top 9 player for this team?
- Feanor

Points LOL!

What you described is something like an overload. Plenty of teams do it. I know it's difficult for some to understand, but not every team has two people do nothing but sit in front. One swingman/net guy will go to the corner or behind the net, the other stays in front. There's always a screen. There's just another guy to handle the puck depending on the side.
- Mononoke

What also is difficult to understand for some is that the Flyers don't have two people just do nothing but sit in front. So what are you talking about? Also you need to review what Tomahawk stated in his post, which is he wants the slot left completely open, with both players on the side of the net, on opposite sides. I disagree with him.

They knew that Bradford was not the long term solution, and the contract they gave him, pointed that out. Why is Mason not the long term solution in goal for the Flyers? He's 28 years old.
- MJL

I like Mase, but I like Neuwirth more. I know he wasn't pretty in 2 starts this year, but both these guys have been streaky. I just don't see him as a long term #1. And LA only wants him as a rental (which tells you something).

Points LOL!
- PhillySportsGuy

Apparently, professional basketball begins tonight. And the Sixers are playing a top team with their Super Rookie joining crippled, taking the place of former crippled super rookie. 30 point loss?
- jmatchett383

Markelle Fultz

I like Mase, but I like Neuwirth more. I know he wasn't pretty in 2 starts this year, but both these guys have been streaky. I just don't see him as a long term #1. And LA only wants him as a rental (which tells you something).
- section32

Yes; it tells you they have Jonathan Quick signed long-term. Mason, over his tenure, has proven to be a consistent (more than Neuvirth, even last year) starter who can be a top-10 goalie and play 60+ games. I know you like Neuvirth, but the fact is that, by any measure, Mason is better. He's finally a legit starter that we can keep.

But by all means, tell me what return LA can give us that improves our team both now and in the next 3-4 years that we would give them Mason for.

Okay. What are they going to give us that's going to upgrade (not break even) our roster 3-4 years down the road? The only players they have that fit the bill are Doughty, Muzzin, and Toffoli. I'm not interested in 1sts because they'll be 20-30 picks. So which one of those 3 players will the be sending us? This all assumes that one of Stolarz or Lyon become as good as Mason by that point, or else we're back to not having a goalie.

Also, no interest in a 34-year-old with a laundry list of injuries who's signed for 5 more years.

Or, you know...we could offer them Neuvirth for Pearson and a 1st, which is more realistic.
- jmatchett383

What about king, Clifford, or Pearson and picks. I know we gotta figure money out. But we don't really have strong LWs.

I like Mase, but I like Neuwirth more. I know he wasn't pretty in 2 starts this year, but both these guys have been streaky. I just don't see him as a long term #1. And LA only wants him as a rental (which tells you something).
- section32

The most games Neuvirth has ever played was 48, and that was in 10/11. Since then he has played 38, 13, 15, 32, and 32 games in consecutive seasons. I'm not going to hand him the #1 job.

LA only wants a rental, for two reasons. One, they have Jonathon Quick, and secondly, they're only willing to pay so much. Reading too much into that.

What about king, Clifford, or Pearson and picks. I know we gotta figure money out. But we don't really have strong LWs.
- section32

None of those 3 will help the Flyers win as much as Steve Mason will. They're all third liners, Pearson is a weak 2nd liner.

It's not going to happen, because the Flyers (I believe) realize that Mason is a #1 and, if you look at it objectively, he's bordering one elite. I'm not kidding. His numbers bear it out (he does have a PK Save % issue, granted). If anything, they would trade Neuvirth because, as good as he was last year, he's not as consistent, and has never shown that he can handle the workload. Mason has, and has excelled at it.

Not gonna happen. Sorry to burst your bubble.

They're not a good fit. The only thing the Kings have that I'd want, they won't trade for him, and the only things they'd trade for him, I don't want.
- jmatchett383

I said that already

I like Mase, but I like Neuwirth more. I know he wasn't pretty in 2 starts this year, but both these guys have been streaky. I just don't see him as a long term #1. And LA only wants him as a rental (which tells you something).
- section32

It tells me that Quick will be back.

- jmatchett383

Too bad he met Lucille

None of those 3 will help the Flyers win as much as Steve Mason will. They're all third liners, Pearson is a weak 2nd liner.

It's not going to happen, because the Flyers (I believe) realize that Mason is a #1 and, if you look at it objectively, he's bordering one elite. I'm not kidding. His numbers bear it out (he does have a PK Save % issue, granted). If anything, they would trade Neuvirth because, as good as he was last year, he's not as consistent, and has never shown that he can handle the workload. Mason has, and has excelled at it.

Not gonna happen. Sorry to burst your bubble.
- jmatchett383

I feel like people don't realize how much MDZ and Mason mean to the team

What you described is something like an overload. Plenty of teams do it. I know it's difficult for some to understand, but not every team has two people do nothing but sit in front. One swingman/net guy will go to the corner or behind the net, the other stays in front. There's always a screen. There's just another guy to handle the puck depending on the side.
- Mononoke

What I'm really looking for is something that sets up like this:



... and the forwards in front of the net moving dynamically -- high, low, kicking out wide, collapsing into an overload, etc.

The 1-3-1 they use now is static as F.

People keep saying this, but Cousins did well in his 30 games last year. He could be the ONLY respectable 3C on this roster, if he'd only get a chance this season. I just take issue with the idea there there's simply nothing to be done, and PEB is as good an option as any for 3rd line center. He's not and doesn't have to be.
- Mononoke

I am one of those who thinks Cousins is a 3C. He reminds me of a young Dave Bolland. He isn't a finished product, but I think I see something in him. But they clearly don't -- though I was thrilled to see it last night for a bit in the third when they were down

What I'm really looking for is something that sets up like this:



... and the forwards in front of the net moving dynamically -- high, low, kicking out wide, collapsing into an overload, etc.

The 1-3-1 they use now is static as F.
- Tomahawk

BUT NO ONE IS IN FRONT!!!!!!