Isn't he getting paid $550,000 to sit in a press box and watch hockey? Sign me up!
- CanuckDon

750,000

Edit 700K this year 800K next.

I think it comes down to WD making it really clear that his singular goal this year is to win games and he doesn't think Tryamkin is better than anyone on the left side. His only option would be playing him on his offside.
- belcherbd

I thought he was more comfortable on the right.

i'm surprised that Subban's name hasn't been brought up and how this call-up effects his "feelings"
- onesmallleap

Cause proving you can score at the AHL level isn't enough....

Wonder if they will ever try him as a forward ...? He's got the super speed, skill and bulldog Build that made other famous diminutive forwards hint hint on the Flamers and Bolts effective.

Because men in sports having feelings, that's unacceptable!
- neem55

We don't encourage feelings in here, either.

We don't encourage feelings in here, either.
- Marwood

Tree is covering his with fried chicken.

LOL you and I are bound to have some good conversations moving forward bud.

"Offense gets developed at the NHL level either you learn to do or not .... " There are sooooo many examples of players I could name that counter this claim.

JV is playing in the NHL right now strictly because of injuries. Rodin is healthy, Virtanen is sitting 100%. Burrows and Dorsett out, Virtanen plays.

I am not sure how this argument is premature lol. This isn't main camp in the summer. The season has started and Virtanen is a sophomore and is either in limited minutes/benched/ or a healthy scratch. This is all very relevant and present.
- Codes1087

Lol sure ... where is Vantel and Lefty to add to this lol

Just to clarify it's premature given where team is at now.... we don't know where JV will be at playing wise if everyone including Rodin is healthy.

On Rodin by the sounds of it not any time soon. Canucks say no timetable and he's not practicing with the team. An insider suggested January as it takes about a year for that kind of injury to be 100% amd they needed him to play preseason to be put on IR and be eligible to play later in the year.

it comes with the job. If you get picked 6th overall with scouts raving about your tenacity, speed, grit, shot, and scoring ability and you come in and not bring any of that on a regular basis then you WILL be scrutinized. Nobody is asking Jake put up 30 goals or 60 points. People want Jake to develop his overall game. To not have "run over the guy with the puck" mentality one shift, then "I must back-check or the coach will sit me" mentality the next shift. Jake CAN be and will be a fantastic player. People here are certainly not calling him a bust, people are just asking that he be given the opportunity to develop properly and not rush him. Sheltered minutes on the 4th line is not what the Canucks envisioned when they drafted him. Certainly his potential is top 6. His resume and accomplishments suggest he has more to give. He has had opportunities to prove those and has not yet been able to do so. I think it is a favour to Jake to send him down, give him top minutes, offensive zone starts, PP time, PK time, you name it, give him every opportunity to get special teams and offenseive/defensive zone starts under his belt. I am getting the impression that you think we all want Jake to go down because he is not better than some of our players on our team, and that he is the low man on the totem pole for skill on our roster. That isn't the case. We know he has more to give than Burrows/Dorsett/Gaunce. We just want to see Jake at his best.
- Codes1087

All fair points. There are players like Horvat that can 'skip' the AHL developmental stage and there are not. JV is not a Horvat.

I thought he was more comfortable on the right.
- Retinalz

I think you're right, I didn't remember but just looked it up and they did have him playing with Hutton and Hamhuis last year so that makes sense.

750,000

Edit 700K this year 800K next.
- A_SteamingLombardi

He deserves to be in the minors earning $150K....poor kid

All fair points. There are players like Horvat that can 'skip' the AHL developmental stage and there are not. JV is not a Horvat.
- LordHumungous

We don't know that yet. Horvatt was given a role play 4th line defensive minutes. JV is being asked by the fans for more it seems in his development to find his offensive game.

We don't encourage feelings in here, either.
- Marwood

Yeah, I've noticed both feelings and rational debate are generally frowned upon here.

He deserves to be in the minors earning $150K....poor kid
- CanuckDon

Same salary in the AHL

We don't know that yet. Horvatt was given a role play 4th line defensive minutes. JV is being asked by the fans for more it seems in his development to find his offensive game.
- Nuck4U

He'll score tonight and we will find a new topic to talk about until next next game.

Same salary in the AHL
- A_SteamingLombardi

The Canucks rewarded him for being a good leader and teammate in Utica. He didn't deserve a one way contract but got one anyways. He is what he is and riding the pine won't affect his NHL ceiling as he has already reached it. Lucky kid, collecting huge cheques to watch hockey and in his spare time he goes boozing with Virtanen

Lol sure ... where is Vantel and Lefty to add to this lol

Just to clarify it's premature given where team is at now.... we don't know where JV will be at playing wise if everyone including Rodin is healthy.

On Rodin by the sounds of it not any time soon. Canucks say no timetable and he's not practicing with the team. An insider suggested January as it takes about a year for that kind of injury to be 100% amd they needed him to play preseason to be put on IR and be eligible to play later in the year.
- Nuck4U

the point is: it's different for every player. You can't make broad claims like players need to learn how to score at the NHL level by playing here first or whatever. Some guys just have different learning/developmental curves, so learning to dominate at the AHL level is great for their development (as codes mentioned, there are many, many examples of this: Marty St.Louis and Tyler JHohnson are the ones that come to mind for me). Is is right for JV? Well we haven't tried it much, so maybe it's worth a shot.

I think JV would be a lot better if he had some linemates that played similar.

Some players have been useless so far Burrows Sven Skille and JV. If you surround him with crap , he will probably play like crap

There have been some positives like Horvat Twins Sutter Hansen and Granlund.

If Rodin out long term and JV and Sven innifective JB needs to take action and make a substantial trade.

Stecher outplayed Larssen in preseason but Canucks needed to see if there was anything there seeing we gave up a draft pick.

Canucks don't have one energy guy on the fourth line. This should be the easiest line to fill but Canucks for a decade haven't a clue how to find a big tough guy that goes out and nails other team players.

Lots of good things going for Canucks this year, but they need to get rid of Burrows Biega Larssen and bring up Pedan Lebate and Stecher.

Make the trade Jim make the trade.

Yeah, I've noticed both feelings and rational debate are generally frowned upon here.
- neem55

the point is: it's different for every player. You can't make broad claims like players need to learn how to score at the NHL level by playing here first or whatever. Some guys just have different learning/developmental curves, so learning to dominate at the AHL level is great for their development (as codes mentioned, there are many, many examples of this: Marty St.Louis and Tyler JHohnson are the ones that come to mind for me). Is is right for JV? Well we haven't tried it much, so maybe it's worth a shot.
- neem55

I think JV would be a lot better if he had some linemates that played similar.

Some players have been useless so far Burrows Sven Skille and JV. If you surround him with crap , he will probably play like crap

There have been some positives like Horvat Twins Sutter Hansen and Granlund.

If Rodin out long term and JV and Sven innifective JB needs to take action and make a substantial trade.

Stecher outplayed Larssen in preseason but Canucks needed to see if there was anything there seeing we gave up a draft pick.

Canucks don't have one energy guy on the fourth line. This should be the easiest line to fill but Canucks for a decade haven't a clue how to find a big tough guy that goes out and nails other team players.

Lots of good things going for Canucks this year, but they need to get rid of Burrows Biega Larssen and bring up Pedan Lebate and Stecher.

Make the trade Jim make the trade.
- VANTEL

Horvat had Kenins and Dorsett lol.

He'll score tonight and we will find a new topic to talk about until next next game.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I've got my baby jesus praying kit on standby.

the point is: it's different for every player. You can't make broad claims like players need to learn how to score at the NHL level by playing here first or whatever. Some guys just have different learning/developmental curves, so learning to dominate at the AHL level is great for their development (as codes mentioned, there are many, many examples of this: Marty St.Louis and Tyler JHohnson are the ones that come to mind for me). Is is right for JV? Well we haven't tried it much, so maybe it's worth a shot.
- neem55

I think JV would be a lot better if he had some linemates that played similar.

Some players have been useless so far Burrows Sven Skille and JV. If you surround him with crap , he will probably play like crap

There have been some positives like Horvat Twins Sutter Hansen and Granlund.

If Rodin out long term and JV and Sven innifective JB needs to take action and make a substantial trade.

Stecher outplayed Larssen in preseason but Canucks needed to see if there was anything there seeing we gave up a draft pick.

Canucks don't have one energy guy on the fourth line. This should be the easiest line to fill but Canucks for a decade haven't a clue how to find a big tough guy that goes out and nails other team players.

Lots of good things going for Canucks this year, but they need to get rid of Burrows Biega Larssen and bring up Pedan Lebate and Stecher.

Make the trade Jim make the trade.
- VANTEL

I agree with this, but the fact is the team isn't going to get much better via trade as we don't have assets. Also, Pedan wasn't very impressive in camp/preseason IMO. I think Larsson deserves a few more games (but not many more, and if Stecher shines than he can go) and Biega is a better option than Pedan(just like he was last year). Burrows should have been bought out. SO many posters wanted to keep him another year, not you Vantel but the vast majority on here. We are really seeing how 4.5 million for a 4th liner/PKer effects the lineup now.

I've got my baby jesus praying kit on standby.
- Marwood

I agree with this, but the fact is the team isn't going to get much better via trade as we don't have assets. Also, Pedan wasn't very impressive in camp/preseason IMO. I think Larsson deserves a few more games (but not many more, and if Stecher shines than he can go) and Biega is a better option than Pedan(just like he was last year). Burrows should have been bought out. SO many posters wanted to keep him another year, not you Vantel but the vast majority on here. We are really seeing how 4.5 million for a 4th liner/PKer effects the lineup now.
- neem55

We do have an asset that could bring back a true second line player , he is injured tonight, and yes I know there would be a hole.

I am really hoping Stecher has a good showing and forces Canucks to consider keeping him.

I agree with this, but the fact is the team isn't going to get much better via trade as we don't have assets. Also, Pedan wasn't very impressive in camp/preseason IMO. I think Larsson deserves a few more games (but not many more, and if Stecher shines than he can go) and Biega is a better option than Pedan(just like he was last year). Burrows should have been bought out. SO many posters wanted to keep him another year, not you Vantel but the vast majority on here. We are really seeing how 4.5 million for a 4th liner/PKer effects the lineup now.
- neem55

There was no real cap relief to a buy out for Burr. If they didn't see value for him to be here they could have assigned him to Utica.... which may wind up being done if they don't see value on the roster. He's not what he was but he has other aspects that they believe they need.

Larson isn't going anywhere unless traded he may sit games but he's got the year to show his worth. Players won't come here in the future from other leagues if they don't get the opportunity or time to show they can play. Canucks need that sort of option as they try to find players to fill holes.