Easy there posting something like that. Don't bring rationale into this. - teh_HAWKZ
Oh, sorry, how about this:
Toews isn't worth the money. He doesn't do enough. He should be carrying Panik and Motte in to the goal, physically on his shoulders, by himself. Should lead the league in points, goals. SAT%, and shot suppression while curing cancer and eliminating concussions.
Toews isn't worth the money. He doesn't do enough. He should be carrying Panik and Motte in to the goal, physically on his shoulders, by himself. Should lead the league in points, goals. SAT%, and shot suppression while curing cancer and eliminating concussions. - JRoenick97
Yes he should be carrying that line. Money talks and you know what walks.
Yes he should be carrying that line. Money talks and you know what walks. - BetweenTheDots
I am amazed that so many people are giving him a pass on pretty poor 1C point production while being the HIGHEST PAID PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE
Yea, we get he tries hard, does a lot of dirty work, and is fantastic leader that plays the game the right way, but good lord, he tied, TIED, for 51st in the league. He was also outscored by 4 dmen, who play 90% of the game farther away from the net than Toews does
#1 in money and T-51st in scoring is just brutal, no matter how you slice his fancy stats, commend his effort, or bemoan his linemates
As much as people are worried about the franchise sliding now, ask yourself an honest question, how much of a slide would we be looking at if Toews and Kane were both earning their contracts?
If Kane was scoring 100 pts and Toews was potting 80, on separate lines, they would no doubt be competing for the Western conference lead both last year and this year.
I don't doubt other teams made pitches, but it seems from Campbell's interviews that he wasn't interested in going anywhere else unless the conditions for his return to the Hawks were really bad. Anyway, it feels like this is a weird point to like nail as all that vital to the discussion and my main point is still valid - if they felt Kempny was a sure thing, they wouldn't have signed Campbell.
And that further, if there was about $750k difference between what the Hawks offered ($1.25m as you say) and what he eventually got ($2m), then Rozsival's $600k could have been closer to the difference than Campbell to signing Hudler. So, personally and no one else has to agree, I'm not upset at all about the Campbell signing but I find Rozsival's continued employment to be irksome. This isn't me saying I think Bowman did the best job, just that the signing I have issue with is not Campbell. That was all. - L_B_R
We will revisit this if: Kempny has stepped into a top 4 role on merit, not injury (or looks like he belongs there—and I for one believe that is at least plausible), and the Hawks still have a glaring need at forward in the top 6 by season's end.
Chicago Tribune @chicagotribune 14s15 seconds ago
Toronto Maple Leafs player Colin Greening buys Lakeview - pdx2ord[Chicago neighborhood] home for $1 million http://trib.in/2eQT8SS
Can't see from his bio that he has any Chicago connection.
Hawks had serious interest in him (reported here) in the summer of '13 or '14.
@MarkLazerus 3m3 minutes ago
Kane on Toews: "He's one of the best players in the game, and probably, in my mind, the easiest player to play with." #Blackhawks
Interesting that it's not Panarin. - JRoenick97
People in hockey tend to disagree with the Toews Blows Crowd. Just saying'.
If I remember correctly, the Dallas GM was an assistant with Detroit where Hudler played for a bit. Maybe Hudler thought it was a better fit in Dallas due to that relationship.
On Vesey, the player and agent might have noted the Q line blender. Hey kid, play with and learn from 2 hall of famers. But they left out the "for a few shifts at least" part. - 6628
My first thought looking at the lines was, "flop Kruger and Schmaltz and Bob's Your Uncle."
And, well, Bob's Your Uncle.
I like those lines. A lot. Add Desi back in the bottom 6, and maybe you got something. - John Jaeckel
Who sits when Desjardins returns? I would sit Tootoo, but knowing Q it will probably be Rasmussen. I don't think Tootoo has played poorly, I just thinking he's the odd man out. I think Hino gets sent to Rockford, but they still need to sit another forward.
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Colin Greening - reclamation project at best.
Played his best hockey with Ottawa on a line with Spezza. Sent to the AHL after injuries, moved to Toronto, now in the A again making $2.65MM.
Better be a lot of salary take back....
This may signal one of two things: either Rockford needs new blood, or Q has told the FO he does not like one or more of the rookies and wants another vet up front.
If the second is true, the FO is back in American Picker mode in search of lightning in a bottle.
I have an idea - FIX THE PK. It is not a people problem.
Played his best hockey with Ottawa on a line with Spezza. Sent to the AHL after injuries, moved to Toronto, now in the A again making $2.65MM.
Better be a lot of salary take back....
This may signal one of two things: either Rockford needs new blood, or Q has told the FO he does not like one or more of the rookies and wants another vet up front.
If the second is true, the FO is back in American Picker mode in search of lightning in a bottle.
I have an idea - FIX THE PK. It is not a people problem. - Return of the Roar
Why would they trade something for Greening when they could have had him for free? He sucks anyway
Why would they trade something for Greening when they could have had him for free? He sucks anyway - TTtime
Not that I think they're after him (I think they should stay way clear), but not many team pick up guys with $2m+ salary off waivers. Most teams, like the Hawks, would need a trade to happen where salary is retained or moved from the team first. It's not the same with guys on sub $925k contracts and such.
All that said, Greening would have been an okay middle 6 addition like 2-3 years ago, but he's not worth it if they retained the max 50%. The Leafs also don't need to move him unless Cowen wins his case, at which point they would need to move like $2m.
Not that I think they're after him (I think they should stay way clear), but not many team pick up guys with $2m+ salary off waivers. Most teams, like the Hawks, would need a trade to happen where salary is retained or moved from the team first. It's not the same with guys on sub $925k contracts and such.
All that said, Greening would have been an okay middle 6 addition like 2-3 years ago, but he's not worth it if they retained the max 50%. The Leafs also don't need to move him unless Cowen wins his case, at which point they would need to move like $2m. - L_B_R
None of which you would do for players the likes of Greening. Teams with cap space might take a flyer on him but moving assets for a guy like him is bad asset management, imo.
Through 2 periods tonight - Erie leading 5-1 and DeBrincat has 2 goals and 3 assists. - EbonyRaptor
Oops, they changed scoring on Erie's 3rd goal and took away an assist from him. So - 2 goals and 2 assists tonight - not bad. He has 12 goals and 11 assists in 10 games.
People in hockey tend to disagree with the Toews Blows Crowd. Just saying'. - John Jaeckel
I'm sure you can throw in Mark Messier as one of those people. Scotty Bowman, Dale Tallon, Q, Mike Babcock, Al MacIssac, Chevy, Bergevin, Trottier... I think I'll take their word.
Watching the Jets/Stars game. Holy crap is Laine good, 50 goals (eventually) won't be out of the question for this kid.
Armia has been good the past couple of games too.
Once the Jets put it all together they will be a dangerous team. - DarthKane
I disagree only over the fact that Laine is very poor skater. You look at pretty much the only 50 goal guy anymore, OV, and he is a very powerful and quick skater and its not so much out skating guys on breakaways, but he beats guys to pucks and gets to open spaces quicker than dmen can adjust.
In a very crude comparison, Laine, is a mutant that is way more stationary than OV ever was or will be. We have seen OV move his feet and get to the open/middle ice and BURY pucks. Most of Laine has been picking spots from the dots, which OV does and then some, but I feel that wont be enough to get him 50 down the line without vastly improving his feet
Laine is not very poor skater. I've seen him play a lot and can tell you that he is getting better at skating all the time. His style ain't pretty but when he gets the puck full speed in neutral zone he can fly. Sure he has flaws in his skating but he is not a very poor skater at all. Don't know about 50 goals in one season but whit that shot anything is possible.
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Who sits when Desjardins returns? I would sit Tootoo, but knowing Q it will probably be Rasmussen. I don't think Tootoo has played poorly, I just thinking he's the odd man out. I think Hino gets sent to Rockford, but they still need to sit another forward. - DarthKane
it'll be interesting to see if they keep Schmaltz up past 10 games. Maybe he goes down and you have Ras - Desi - 22 for the fourth line. Could do worse.
