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H8terade
Joined: 06.20.2014

Oct 23 @ 3:44 PM ET


Komorov being so poor as an offensive player did score two more goals then Kadri last year and on 9pts behind. So If Komorov is so poor offensively then Kadri isn't much better.

- sparky


Those facts don't fit Tanner's narative so he's conveniently ignored them.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Oct 23 @ 3:48 PM ET
Those facts don't fit Tanner's narative so he's conveniently ignored them.
- H8terade



If you want facts, kadri shot under 2% for over hakf a year and around 5% overall.

He was among league leaders in shots.

The worts players shoot 7%

His career sh percentage is over 10.

His linemates all shot under 7%

He objectively had one of the unluckiest seasons ever.
13sundin13
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 23 @ 3:48 PM ET
1. A really good movie you should watch is Whisky Tango Foxtrot
I can't say this pissed me off, but I wasn't a fan of this movie

2. Hate to say it, but it's time to get rid of Coaches Corner
IMO, your most egregious comment ever

3. 106 chabots

4. Rival GMs should be circling the Ducks like hungry sharks
Us Duck fans are very touchy about the Lindholm situation. Word is he wants near 8 mill a season

So I guess I exaggerated somewhat. On the plus side though, Ween

- Johnotron


I agree with Tanner about coaches corner, can't stand it and usually turn it off until the 2nd period. Don Cherry just seems so out of touch and Ron Maclean just sits there. There isn't much interesting discussion. The only good thing he does is honour fallen police, fire and military.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Oct 23 @ 3:49 PM ET
If you want facts, kadri shot under 2% for over hakf a year and around 5% overall.

He was among league leaders in shots.

The worts players shoot 7%

His career sh percentage is over 10.

His linemates all shot under 7%

He objectively had one of the unluckiest seasons ever.

- James_Tanner


Excuse the typos on my phone.

With just average luck Kadri should have had 25 to 30 goals last year and around 65 to 70 points.
H8terade
Joined: 06.20.2014

Oct 23 @ 4:02 PM ET
Excuse the typos on my phone.

With just average luck Kadri should have had 25 to 30 goals last year and around 65 to 70 points.

- James_Tanner


Ah yes. The good ol' expected goals and bad luck argument.

Speaking of things that are from fairy land, I've got some magic beans I can sell you.
sparky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Canada
Joined: 07.15.2006

Oct 23 @ 4:08 PM ET
If you want facts, kadri shot under 2% for over hakf a year and around 5% overall.

He was among league leaders in shots.

The worts players shoot 7%

His career sh percentage is over 10.

His linemates all shot under 7%

He objectively had one of the unluckiest seasons ever.

- James_Tanner



James have you ever considered that it wasn't bad luck at all but that Kadri just isn't a very good goal scorer?

LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Oct 23 @ 4:16 PM ET
“There's no such thing as luck. Luck is where preparation meets opportunity.”

http://thoughtcatalog.com...is-no-such-thing-as-luck/
Jmoogs
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Ventura, CA
Joined: 07.19.2016

Oct 23 @ 4:19 PM ET
Dean is a brilliant mind .. You couldn't hold his jock strap tanner let alone hold a convo with the man.. Go write some more about Conner Murphy or whoever maybe he'll let you hold his jock strap probably not tho
13sundin13
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 23 @ 4:27 PM ET
Ah yes. The good ol' expected goals and bad luck argument.

Speaking of things that are from fairy land, I've got some magic beans I can sell you.

- H8terade

Shooting percentage has proven to balance out over seasons. If you look at his % over the last 4 seasons last year was an obvious anomaly. Ultimately I think Kadri will end up as the "3rd line" centre if everything goes according to plan (Matthews and Nylander 1-2) but that will be a good thing. Centre depth is extremely important and if your 3rd line centre averages 45-50 pts, is responsible defensively, while only missing a handful of games a year, they will be in a good spot.
sparky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Canada
Joined: 07.15.2006

Oct 23 @ 4:35 PM ET
Shooting percentage has proven to balance out over seasons. If you look at his % over the last 4 seasons last year was an obvious anomaly. Ultimately I think Kadri will end up as the "3rd line" centre if everything goes according to plan (Matthews and Nylander 1-2) but that will be a good thing. Centre depth is extremely important and if your 3rd line centre averages 45-50 pts, is responsible defensively, while only missing a handful of games a year, they will be in a good spot.
- 13sundin13



This I agree with, I mentioned earlier that Kadri is a third line centre but Mr. Tanner strongly disagrees. Think the word he used was calling me foolish for the thought.
H8terade
Joined: 06.20.2014

Oct 23 @ 4:48 PM ET
This I agree with, I mentioned earlier that Kadri is a third line centre but Mr. Tanner strongly disagrees. Think the word he used was calling me foolish for the thought.
- sparky


The fact he disagrees with you makes your argument all the more valid!
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Oct 23 @ 5:12 PM ET
Hey Captain Contradiction. You just finished saying Komarov was a boat anchor on Kadri's line.
- H8terade



Komarov made Kadri last year....I wouldn't bother with this argument...it's a total waste of your time. Leafs have all the elite top talent but never win any games.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Oct 23 @ 5:16 PM ET
This I agree with, I mentioned earlier that Kadri is a third line centre but Mr. Tanner strongly disagrees. Think the word he used was calling me foolish for the thought.
- sparky



By this argument, kane is a second line winger and Kessel a 3rd line winger and Malkina second line centre
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Oct 23 @ 5:41 PM ET
MINUS: Shot-Blocking is dangerous and it makes the games more boring than they have to be by sucking up all the offense. After watching Daniel Winnick take a shot to the ear, I realized that one day a shot will hit someone in the neck or spine and they will die.
- James Tanner


Ian Laperriere was a horrific injury. I won't show that one, just the sound of it

Chris Pronger was really bad too. I remember watching this game as it happened:

Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Oct 23 @ 5:53 PM ET
How is that proof of anything? The Leafs have JVR, Marner, Brown, Nylander - four amazingly talented wingers with mad skills, and Kadri gets Michalek and Komarov.

But sure, let's somehow pretend Kadri is the problem on that line.

Did you see him lay down in front of a slap shot the other night after he got hurt blocking the first one? Did you hear his comments after the game?

I got a one word description of Kadri I think you'll like: CAPTAIN.

- James Tanner


Hey, easy! That's an all-star you're talking about there; have some respect.

I've always liked Kadri except when he pulls his bullpoop, dirty stick work he breaks out every now and then.

Don't tell anyone on the Sabres thread. I'll probably be banished.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Oct 23 @ 6:15 PM ET
Sure, I think one team can be better than the other, but the Jays are better than Cleveland and I think their lack of offense just exasperated the "you have to hit more than homers" crowd, which doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.

Is there a better four player combo in a batting order than Jose, EE, Tulo, JD? Of course not. Is anyone who is close able to then trot out Martin, Travis and Saunders? Hardly.

Yes, the luck narrative can seem tiring, but only because luck is the biggest factor in just about everything.

The Indian's bullpen didn't really outpitch the Jays, the Jays held them to an amount of runs that should have all but guaranteed their victory.

They got to Kluber, but couldn't hit with two on and nobody out. Several times.

They got dusted by their no-name rotation guys.

The Jays were 2 or 3 random timely hits from going to the World Series. I don't believe they got beaten by the Indians, I believe they beat themselves with slumping bats.

But the HR or bust narrative pisses me off. Edwin and JD and Tulo do a lot more than hit HRs.

- James_Tanner


I think they're better in name power and little else . They lost in 5 games. That's decisive

And The Indians didn't just squeak into the playoffs. They dominated their division all year

I think much like last year, you vastly underrate the opposition.
This year im much more amenable to the jays being the better team. At least on paper . But The royals were unequivocally the favs and the best team in baseball last year . Proven start to finish. But again, it was just luck.

And of course a guy like tulo does far more than just hit bombs. But this doesn't change the fact that pitching best our hitting. Again

I think at the end of the day we're pretty much the opposite type of fans. Optimistic vs pessimistic. And neither can prove to be the better one. But I think it's easy to see how differently we viewed home team and more importantly, our worthy opposition
StargateSG1
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Buffalo Grove, IL
Joined: 03.07.2013

Oct 23 @ 6:29 PM ET
Considering I'm more liberal than Jesus, hate Trump with a passion and have multiple degrees from multiple legitimate universities, your joke sucks.
- James_Tanner


That explains a few things, since liberalism is a mental disorder.
annoyed
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: ON
Joined: 10.28.2013

Oct 23 @ 6:30 PM ET
He is the best in the NHL at drawing penalties.

He gets the toughest minutes and toughest defensive assignments
, that's why he plays with who he plays with - to shelter the rooks.

He is by far the Leafs best defensive forward (outside of, arguably, Komarov, but as Kadri is a C).

Kadri has had a better career than most 7th overall picks. Any team drafting seventh would be pleased if their pick turned into a lesser player than Kadri.

- James_Tanner


haha, the old QOC/QOT /Zone starts come out when you need it but it's irrelevant when others bring it up....lol. it really is funny.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Oct 23 @ 6:38 PM ET
That explains a few things, since liberalism is a mental disorder.
- StargateSG1


Yeah no
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Oct 23 @ 6:39 PM ET
haha, the old QOC/QOT /Zone starts come out when you need it but it's irrelevant when others bring it up....lol. it really is funny.
- annoyed


Except weve been over thia a million times
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Oct 23 @ 6:43 PM ET
i see you apply the same logic to baseball analysis as you do hockey analysis. if the outcome isn't what you wanted or predicted, it's just bad luck.
- DoubleDown

I'm fairly strongly against boiling such a fluid game like hockey down to relative statistics.
But In baseball, I think they're rather apt.
And with that said, I believe luck is few and far between in terms of statistical matchup analysis

annoyed
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: ON
Joined: 10.28.2013

Oct 23 @ 6:46 PM ET
Except weve been over thia a million times
- James_Tanner



exactly....you said it's irrelevant....I disagreed...now you're saying it is relevant.

rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 23 @ 6:55 PM ET
That explains a few things, since liberalism is a mental disorder.
- StargateSG1

Trevor_Neufeld
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 02.11.2007

Oct 23 @ 7:23 PM ET
Murray is in trouble with the Lindholm situation but he's not doing that bad.

Trading an overpaid/overrated goalie for Sam Steel is going to look pretty bad in a few years. The kid has already taken some massive steps forward this year.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Oct 23 @ 7:24 PM ET
Nice to see your TO love.

In other news, TO teams would be perfect if they didn't lose all the time.
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