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Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Oct 24 @ 10:44 AM ET
Yeah they all should have at minimum been fired. But lets face it, College Football is the cash cow of a Univ and they will protect it no matter what.....but thats a whole other discussion.

The 1 I dont get is Mike Mcqueary. He was a key witness, saw what happened, reported it, nothing was done, no investigation, yet he kept coaching there and could work around everyone. I mean years later, Hey JoePa....remember that sh!t I told you about? Why is Sandusky still here? Did you tell anyone? How do you not follow up? My guess is JoePa had told him he would recommend him for the head coach spot when the time came.

- sammy87

McQueary is actually one of those guys I think is getting away Scott free and probably shouldn't. He's actually standing to gain money as he's in the middle of a four mil law suit with PSU.

By Pennsylvania state law the only person that can report sexual abuse is the direct whiteness. I don't fault McQueary for going to JoPa, but at some point he had to have realized it was getting covered up and he had a legal and moral duty to report it to law authorities. He should have put a stop to all this a decade prior and didn't. I don't care what his reasons were, at the end of the day he helped the cover up by not reporting it a decade prior. Guys got dirt on his hands and is gonna come out of this richer than he was.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Oct 24 @ 10:45 AM ET
Yeah because if you go down that train of logic that the NCAA should hand out the death penalty to a program because an employee or player within it committed a crime, you're opening yourself to a lot of cases that will go beyond justice and a lot of inocent people will get punished. On a yearly basis, how many college athletes commit crimes? Out of those, how many are felonies? It's unfair to a whole lot of people to shut down an entire program because of the actions of one person.

Let's look at ND here for an example. We have a coach that is 100% guilty of man slaughter and has probably aided in the cover up of a handful of sexual assault cases, one which may or may not have lead to the suicide of a St. Mary's student. What is justice at this point? Firing the coach and probably the AD for allowing his subordinate to (frank) up epically under his watch and report all available evidence to the authorities and allow the legal process to take place, or to let the NCAA step in, hand us the death penalty and punish Mike Brey's basketball squad which Brey runs cleanly and with integrity. ND is a great fencing school which normally sends student athletes to the Olympics. Should that program be stopped due to the actions of the head football coach. Sorry soccer, rowing, and lacrosse. The head football coach is a criminal so you can't have scholar ships anymore. You have to remember that the death penalty involves so much more than just football and is really only a just punishment when an AD is purposely violating NCAA regulations involving scholar ships, recruitment, and bribing to give their program an unfair advantage in NCAA competition. Not at all applicable when it comes to crime under the law under the United States.

- Victoro311


Yeah the Death Penalty hurt SMU not only as an athletic program but a university as well. And SMU got it because athletic officials were bribing students to play there.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 24 @ 10:46 AM ET
McQueary is actually one of those guys I think is getting away Scott free and probably shouldn't. He's actually standing to gain money as he's in the middle of a four mil law suit with PSU.

By Pennsylvania state law the only person that can report sexual abuse is the direct whiteness. I don't fault McQueary for going to JoPa, but at some point he had to have realized it was getting covered up and he had a legal and moral duty to report it to law authorities. He should have put a stop to all this a decade prior and didn't. I don't care what his reasons were, at the end of the day he helped the cover up by not reporting it a decade prior. Guys got dirt on his hands and is gonna come out of this richer than he was.

- Victoro311


I'm not gonna say he did the right thing, but I understand his reasons. It doesn't excuse him, but I understand him.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Oct 24 @ 10:47 AM ET
Yeah the Death Penalty hurt SMU not only as an athletic program but a university as well. And SMU got it because athletic officials were bribing students to play there.
- sammy87

That one backfield they had back in the day was so totally worth it though.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Oct 24 @ 10:48 AM ET
McQueary is actually one of those guys I think is getting away Scott free and probably shouldn't. He's actually standing to gain money as he's in the middle of a four mil law suit with PSU.

By Pennsylvania state law the only person that can report sexual abuse is the direct whiteness. I don't fault McQueary for going to JoPa, but at some point he had to have realized it was getting covered up and he had a legal and moral duty to report it to law authorities. He should have put a stop to all this a decade prior and didn't. I don't care what his reasons were, at the end of the day he helped the cover up by not reporting it a decade prior. Guys got dirt on his hands and is gonna come out of this richer than he was.

- Victoro311


Yeah according to PA law he fulfilled his obligation, but he could have done so much more. I just looked him up according to wikipedia he is unemployed, living in his parents basement in PSU and divorced. Says he has an unusually close family.

I still have no clue how he still showed up to work everyday knowing nothing had been done after he reported it.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 24 @ 10:49 AM ET
Yeah the Death Penalty hurt SMU not only as an athletic program but a university as well. And SMU got it because athletic officials were bribing students to play there.
- sammy87


To be fair, I'd say about 99.4% of universities bribe players to play there, either directly and/or indirectly.

"Hey kid, play here, and your dad can probably get a promotion at work, maybe these pretty ladies will want to be your best friends, and maybe some of your friends will get a scholarship as well. Not that we're making these things happen, of course."
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Oct 24 @ 10:49 AM ET
That one backfield they had back in the day was so totally worth it though.
- Victoro311


LOL the ESPN 30for30 is great on that story. They had like oil companies "donating" money to the progrgram and the companies were writing it off as a donation. MERICA!
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Oct 24 @ 10:51 AM ET
To be fair, I'd say about 99.4% of universities bribe players to play there, either directly and/or indirectly.

"Hey kid, play here, and your dad can probably get a promotion at work, maybe these pretty ladies will want to be your best friends, and maybe some of your friends will get a scholarship as well. Not that we're making these things happen, of course."

- jmatchett383

Yeah I mean the way the NCAA is regulated is clearly a bad joke, but that doesn't mean that just cus they (frank) up within their own jurisdiction they should be allowed to take actions that are outside it.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Oct 24 @ 10:52 AM ET
To be fair, I'd say about 99.4% of universities bribe players to play there, either directly and/or indirectly.

"Hey kid, play here, and your dad can probably get a promotion at work, maybe these pretty ladies will want to be your best friends, and maybe some of your friends will get a scholarship as well. Not that we're making these things happen, of course."

- jmatchett383


Oh yeah, you would be stupid to think that any program is going "by the book".

But college sports in general is a whole other discussion.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 24 @ 10:54 AM ET
Yeah I mean the way the NCAA is regulated is clearly a bad joke, but that doesn't mean that just cus they (frank) up within their own jurisdiction they should be allowed to take actions that are outside it.
- Victoro311


Agreed.
Thorny87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.17.2014

Oct 24 @ 11:10 AM ET
Sid is in!
jaydogg1974
Joined: 06.18.2012

Oct 24 @ 11:45 AM ET
After reading the 1st few sentences of this blog I again have serious doubts about whether RW actually watches the games or just looks at the stats.

A few of those goals he was isolated in one on one situations with the shooter while his defenders were in place to defend the pass and he just didn't come up with the save


I mean seriously? MAF was by no means sharp in the game but the D was a complete disaster who was rarely in good defensive position and repeatedly hung MAF out to dry. On the 1st goal Dumoulin was caught puck watching on the PK and allowed Arvidsson to get to the rebound untouched for an easy tap-in goal, example 1 of the D not being in place to defend. The 2nd goal came when Shultz got caught stepping up which led to a 2-1, Cole did a good job defending the pass so I guess you could say at that point he was in place to defend the pass and MAF didn't make the save but Cole/MAF should have never been in that position if Shultz didn't make the mistake. The 3rd goal is almost a mirror image of the second goal where Shultz gets caught pinching which leads to a 2on1, again Cole plays the 2on1 well but that shouldn't negate the fact that it was a 2on1 that should have never happened. The 4th goal comes of the rebound of another 2on1 when no one picks up Fiala going to the net for another easy tap-in. The 5th and final goal comes off of another turnover which leads to an easy tap-in by Arvidsson when he beats Maata to the front of the met to take a pass from Ribero and tip it into an empty net. So basically out of 5 goals scored twice a defender was in good position on the 2on1 after another defender got caught out of position while the other 3 goals came from a defender being completely out of position and all that someone translates to MAF having a clunker because he didn't bail out the D enough because 2x in 60 minutes they were in good position. My guess is that if it was Murray in net giving up those same 5 goals the blog would have been about how his D let him down but he did all he could.
sditulli
Joined: 02.09.2015

Oct 24 @ 11:49 AM ET
To be fair, I'd say about 99.4% of universities bribe players to play there, either directly and/or indirectly.

"Hey kid, play here, and your dad can probably get a promotion at work, maybe these pretty ladies will want to be your best friends, and maybe some of your friends will get a scholarship as well. Not that we're making these things happen, of course."

- jmatchett383


I would say a lot less than you think. And I'd say for economics. The vast majority of players just don't create enough economic value to make cheating worth it. Don't most athletic departments lose money.

I'm probably overstating this case since I know it does go on, but I would put it at far below 99%. We are talking 80-100 players at a program. Just not enough guys worth giving favors out to.
jaydogg1974
Joined: 06.18.2012

Oct 24 @ 11:52 AM ET
McQueary is actually one of those guys I think is getting away Scott free and probably shouldn't. He's actually standing to gain money as he's in the middle of a four mil law suit with PSU.

By Pennsylvania state law the only person that can report sexual abuse is the direct whiteness. I don't fault McQueary for going to JoPa, but at some point he had to have realized it was getting covered up and he had a legal and moral duty to report it to law authorities. He should have put a stop to all this a decade prior and didn't. I don't care what his reasons were, at the end of the day he helped the cover up by not reporting it a decade prior. Guys got dirt on his hands and is gonna come out of this richer than he was.

- Victoro311


Couldn't agree more. This has always been my biggest issue with Paterno in this matter and I feel the same way about McQuery, they did the minimum necessary to cover their own asses and absolve themselves of any wrong doing but just because they fulfilled the bare minimum when it comes to legal obligation doesn't mean they did enough to fulfill the moral obligation. Any one of them could have ended this long before it got to the point it is now if they would have had the moral ethics to put what was right ahead of themselves and the program.
martox
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Stockholm - "Nights when we don't have our A-game, we better have our A-commitment & A-effort."
Joined: 09.25.2014

Oct 24 @ 11:55 AM ET
I LOVE THESE LINES!!
Wilson-Crosby-Hornqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Rust
Hagelin-Bonino-Kessel
Kuhnhackl-Cullen-Fehr
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Oct 24 @ 11:57 AM ET
I would say a lot less than you think. And I'd say for economics. The vast majority of players just don't create enough economic value to make cheating worth it. Don't most athletic departments lose money.

I'm probably overstating this case since I know it does go on, but I would put it at far below 99%. We are talking 80-100 players at a program. Just not enough guys worth giving favors out to.

- sditulli


Not to get in too much of a sidebar but yeah I think a lot of athletic debts lost money. However, having a strong national program is a great advertising tool. When the Fed is handing out 100% govt backed loans....colleges are in a race to get as much of that as they can. Why do you think tuition has gone up like 100% in the last 20 years? Its free money for the universities. Anyone who gets accepted can get a loan.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Oct 24 @ 11:59 AM ET
I LOVE THESE LINES!!
Wilson-Crosby-Hornqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Rust
Hagelin-Bonino-Kessel
Kuhnhackl-Cullen-Fehr

- martox

Yeah I think Sheary's gonna have a tough time getting back into the lineup if this sets in. It looks like a return to normalcy.
martox
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Stockholm - "Nights when we don't have our A-game, we better have our A-commitment & A-effort."
Joined: 09.25.2014

Oct 24 @ 12:05 PM ET
that video was nice http://newsinteractive.po...erfeed&utm_medium=twitter
good read too
Thorny87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.17.2014

Oct 24 @ 12:09 PM ET
Yeah I think Sheary's gonna have a tough time getting back into the lineup if this sets in. It looks like a return to normalcy.
- Victoro311

cornnation
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: pgh, PA
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 25 @ 11:18 PM ET
Just to show how little you know 2 is spelled two not to when you are referring to numbers How many Cups has MAF won while playing not sitting on the bench. One, see I can spell unlike you. And that was a long time ago. Thank goodness that MAF was out last year or the Pens would not have won the Cup. Best way to tell the future is to look at the past. MAF has had bad performances in big games even before he got to the NHL. Look it up numbnuts
- holeinone


You're right, there are goalies that never had a bad performance in big games, ever. Fleury was horrible against Boston when Crosby, malkin, letang and the rest of the team couldn't score. And I'm glad you can see in a crystal ball Fleury messing up in goal last year. Being hypothetical shows little knowledge, but hey you want to play a guessing game that's fine. Maybe spend less time checking grammar and more time thinking before you make useless points.
cornnation
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: pgh, PA
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 25 @ 11:19 PM ET
A lot of people contributed to the horrific things that happened including a head coach who acted like a dictator and he know all about it and condoned it. For that the penalties should be enforced. Arrogance of Paterno is what should be pointed out. That is why his statue was taken down. No excuses
- holeinone



He know all? Check your grammar
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