It's a little overcast in here today with the light chance of salty hail!

Press were due, for a team that has been predicted to win the Presidents cup & contend for Stanley they have way underachieved.

We are running on about 5 cylinders of the massive 12 we have at the moment so results will reflect that.

Lots of results from a lot of other teams are also surprising so it's only early days.

As Franky says, "relax"!
- Aussiepenguin

Yeah when a team like the Canucks are 4-0-1, it reminds me how small sample sizes can skew things. We'll be ok yet. As meh as we've been, we haven't been as putrid as we were starting the season last year. Crosby and Letang will be back soon.

Yeah when a team like the Canucks are 4-0-1, it reminds me how small sample sizes can skew things. We'll be ok yet. As meh as we've been, we haven't been as putrid as we were starting the season last year. Crosby and Letang will be back soon.
- Victoro311

lets just hope we get the sid we lost and not the sid we had when last season started

You realize the NCAA had no business dealing with that and I know the rule book very well. Criminal matters aren't their business. People with a brain know this. Too bad you don't have one.
- Oneonta Penguin

I guess you have no morality either It figures

Players/students shouldn't suffer due to the acts of officials.
- sammy87

Committing felonies....I guess that is okay How about the kids that were abused idiot No morals at all Go away

Committing felonies....I guess that is okay How about the kids that were abused idiot No morals at all Go away
- holeinone

Interesting I was pretty sure the students/athletes didnt commit any crimes....but lets throw them in jail too while were at it dips!t.

Interesting I was pretty sure the students/athletes didnt commit any crimes....but lets throw them in jail too while were at it dips!t.
- sammy87

Students are there for an education not for football Dumbarse Football is nothing but a perk How stupid are you. With or without football students will attend. They did not go there for football....hopefully they went there so they would not remain STUPID And remember there is no cure for STUPID

Interesting I was pretty sure the students/athletes didnt commit any crimes....but lets throw them in jail too while were at it dips!t.
- sammy87

No they did not commit any crimes but there were felonies committed against THEM. What is wrong with you Are you really that stupid or did your parents drop you on your head too many times

@ holeinone since quotes aren't working. You realize he had to bad years of playoffs. Since 08 I'll take that. Your just showing how little you know.

@ holeinone since quotes aren't working. You realize he had to bad years of playoffs. Since 08 I'll take that. Your just showing how little you know.
- cornnation

Just to show how little you know 2 is spelled two not to when you are referring to numbers How many Cups has MAF won while playing not sitting on the bench. One, see I can spell unlike you. And that was a long time ago. Thank goodness that MAF was out last year or the Pens would not have won the Cup. Best way to tell the future is to look at the past. MAF has had bad performances in big games even before he got to the NHL. Look it up numbnuts

I am a PSU alumni... Im not proud of how the situation was handled nor do I think the acts should be tolerated. However, the man guilty of these horrific acts is being punished. To want a death penalty to a program is over the top and lacks morality in itself. Morality is achieved by no one and part of morality is also the act of forgiveness. We all fall short of perfection.

I am a PSU alumni... Im not proud of how the situation was handled nor do I think the acts should be tolerated. However, the man guilty of these horrific acts is being punished. To want a death penalty to a program is over the top and lacks morality in itself. Morality is achieved by no one and part of morality is also the act of forgiveness. We all fall short of perfection.
- hipcheck_goalie

A lot of people contributed to the horrific things that happened including a head coach who acted like a dictator and he know all about it and condoned it. For that the penalties should be enforced. Arrogance of Paterno is what should be pointed out. That is why his statue was taken down. No excuses

A lot of people contributed to the horrific things that happened including a head coach who acted like a dictator and he know all about it and condoned it. For that the penalties should be enforced. Arrogance of Paterno is what should be pointed out. That is why his statue was taken down. No excuses
- holeinone

I don't think anyone's making excuses. I am the last one to do so. I think there was a lot wrong with what went down following the scandal itself, and the PSU fanbase isn't without warts. Their protest over the removal of the Jopa statue particularly left a bad taste in my mouth. That being said, in no way should PSU have gotten the death penalty. This was a criminal action that had nothing to do with football or the PSU football program. What should have happened is that everyone from the Athletic Director down should have been fired by PSU (which happened), and then everyone who was involved in the cover up should then have been tried in a court of law and punished accordingly. Sandusky's in jail and will die there as he should be, Paterno died before anything could have been done with him, and Curley I believe was also indicted but not sure what the status of that is. There are probably a lot of people that should be punished that are getting off scot free. Don't think anyone will ever know how deep the cover up went. But that's our justice system. 100% fairness is way too much to expect in this world and the biggest monster in that situation was dealt with appropriately.

But once again, let me repeat that this was criminal, not football. It lies outside of the NCAA's jurisdiction and honestly, it kind of belittles the severity of the situation to make it about football.

I am a PSU alumni... Im not proud of how the situation was handled nor do I think the acts should be tolerated. However, the man guilty of these horrific acts is being punished. To want a death penalty to a program is over the top and lacks morality in itself. Morality is achieved by no one and part of morality is also the act of forgiveness. We all fall short of perfection.
- hipcheck_goalie

Just had a quick google of what you guys are talking about.

So if a maths teacher is caught abusing students do they close their maths department? Now that may be naive to break it down that easily, but I don't know why they would close a program due to the actions of a few people???

Here we have had scandals involving the Catholic Church priests & clubs/organisations that provide services for kids - basically filthy pedophiles doing what they do but infiltrating these organisations. The worst reports (so far), are priests telling other priests then the perpetrators being 'relocated' outside of the police jurisdictions so no one knows their records of complaints!! This all back in the 60's 70's & 80's.

Anyone that protects these (frank)ers should face the same consequences as the perpetrators! We don't have the death penalty here anymore, but there are some wanting it back for these grubs!

Did they use the wrong graphs? Maybe if they'd used the better graphs, they would have won.

Just had a quick google of what you guys are talking about.

So if a maths teacher is caught abusing students do they close their maths department? Now that may be naive to break it down that easily, but I don't know why they would close a program due to the actions of a few people???

Here we have had scandals involving the Catholic Church priests & clubs/organisations that provide services for kids - basically filthy pedophiles doing what they do but infiltrating these organisations. The worst reports (so far), are priests telling other priests then the perpetrators being 'relocated' outside of the police jurisdictions so no one knows their records of complaints!! This all back in the 60's 70's & 80's.

Anyone that protects these (frank)ers should face the same consequences as the perpetrators! We don't have the death penalty here anymore, but there are some wanting it back for these grubs!
- Aussiepenguin

Make it clear for you THe death Penalty is for the football program not someone's life It is an NCAA ruling that punishes a school for doing somethings very wrong

Bob McKenzie was saying on Twitter he wouldn't be surprised if Sid is cleared for contact today.

Bob McKenzie was saying on Twitter he wouldn't be surprised if Sid is cleared for contact today.
- Thorny87

Bob McKenzieVerified account
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Sidney Crosby's concussion rehab trending in right direction. Won't be surprised if he's cleared to practice today w/o non-contact jersey.

What Sandusky did was absolutely horrible, and he should rot in jail for the rest of his life. What Paterno and anyone else who covered it up did was absolutely despicable, and they should be (at the least) barred from any further contact with impressionable youth. The Penn State football program under Paterno was basically unquestionable. While he was not the dean, Joe Paterno was pretty much God there, and was the face of the university. For the most part, whatever he wanted, he got, and that was a large part of why it was covered up so well.

As influential as these parties were, they make up a very, VERY small part of the overall athletics department and an even smaller percentage of the faculty. To my knowledge, no students were ever involved in any of these actions. The football program was dealt several penalties, and the parties responsible were dismissed from their duties (although not as quickly as many would have liked). Stopping a university's athletics department, which is the only means for some youth to get college education, for the actions of a small percentage of former faculty members, seems silly to me. Yes, there should have been swift, decisive action taken by both the dean as well as the AD, and Paterno should have never allowed it to have been covered up, but those directly and indirectly involved have been removed from the program. Shutting down the program at this point would make no sense.

What Sandusky did was absolutely horrible, and he should rot in jail for the rest of his life. What Paterno and anyone else who covered it up did was absolutely despicable, and they should be (at the least) barred from any further contact with impressionable youth. The Penn State football program under Paterno was basically unquestionable. While he was not the dean, Joe Paterno was pretty much God there, and was the face of the university. For the most part, whatever he wanted, he got, and that was a large part of why it was covered up so well.

As influential as these parties were, they make up a very, VERY small part of the overall athletics department and an even smaller percentage of the faculty. To my knowledge, no students were ever involved in any of these actions. The football program was dealt several penalties, and the parties responsible were dismissed from their duties (although not as quickly as many would have liked). Stopping a university's athletics department, which is the only means for some youth to get college education, for the actions of a small percentage of former faculty members, seems silly to me. Yes, there should have been swift, decisive action taken by both the dean as well as the AD, and Paterno should have never allowed it to have been covered up, but those directly and indirectly involved have been removed from the program. Shutting down the program at this point would make no sense.
- jmatchett383

Yeah I agree. Weren't the crimes committed like back in the 90's and early 00's? So you have players that have taken the scholarship and committed their talents to the program and have them be punished for something that happened when they were like 7 or 8?

Sandusky is in jail, more probably should be. Paterno's statue is down, I think his record is officially void. He could have gotten time, but he's dead now.

Yeah I agree. Weren't the crimes committed like back in the 90's and early 00's? So you have players that have taken the scholarship and committed their talents to the program and have them be punished for something that happened when they were like 7 or 8?

Sandusky is in jail, more probably should be. Paterno's statue is down, I think his record is officially void. He could have gotten time, but he's dead now.
- sammy87

The only thing that I would have liked were swifter actions from the university. They tried to make the "shocking" move and fired Paterno to try to show how seriously they took it. People weren't fooled by it, which is why subsequent resignations and dismissals followed.

But to shut down the entire program for the actions (horrific as they were) of a few former faculty members just makes no sense. Do not punish the players/current coaches who has nothing to do with it.

What Sandusky did was absolutely horrible, and he should rot in jail for the rest of his life. What Paterno and anyone else who covered it up did was absolutely despicable, and they should be (at the least) barred from any further contact with impressionable youth. The Penn State football program under Paterno was basically unquestionable. While he was not the dean, Joe Paterno was pretty much God there, and was the face of the university. For the most part, whatever he wanted, he got, and that was a large part of why it was covered up so well.

As influential as these parties were, they make up a very, VERY small part of the overall athletics department and an even smaller percentage of the faculty. To my knowledge, no students were ever involved in any of these actions. The football program was dealt several penalties, and the parties responsible were dismissed from their duties (although not as quickly as many would have liked). Stopping a university's athletics department, which is the only means for some youth to get college education, for the actions of a small percentage of former faculty members, seems silly to me. Yes, there should have been swift, decisive action taken by both the dean as well as the AD, and Paterno should have never allowed it to have been covered up, but those directly and indirectly involved have been removed from the program. Shutting down the program at this point would make no sense.
- jmatchett383

hold on hold on.. lemme channel my inner holeinone...

"shut up, you stupid commie. Obviously you're gonna vote for Hillary. You shill. Absolute joke. MAF sucks. "

hold on hold on.. lemme channel my inner holeinone...

"shut up, you stupid commie. Obviously you're gonna vote for Hillary. You shill. Absolute joke. MAF sucks. "
- j.boyd919

I know, I'm just a bleeding heart liberal sissy who doesn't care about prosecuting sexual predators.

...and sleeps with a MAF blowup doll (I got it on sale, okay guys).

The only thing that I would have liked were swifter actions from the university. They tried to make the "shocking" move and fired Paterno to try to show how seriously they took it. People weren't fooled by it, which is why subsequent resignations and dismissals followed.

But to shut down the entire program for the actions (horrific as they were) of a few former faculty members just makes no sense. Do not punish the players/current coaches who has nothing to do with it.
- jmatchett383

Yeah they all should have at minimum been fired. But lets face it, College Football is the cash cow of a Univ and they will protect it no matter what.....but thats a whole other discussion.

The 1 I dont get is Mike Mcqueary. He was a key witness, saw what happened, reported it, nothing was done, no investigation, yet he kept coaching there and could work around everyone. I mean years later, Hey JoePa....remember that sh!t I told you about? Why is Sandusky still here? Did you tell anyone? How do you not follow up? My guess is JoePa had told him he would recommend him for the head coach spot when the time came.

The only thing that I would have liked were swifter actions from the university. They tried to make the "shocking" move and fired Paterno to try to show how seriously they took it. People weren't fooled by it, which is why subsequent resignations and dismissals followed.

But to shut down the entire program for the actions (horrific as they were) of a few former faculty members just makes no sense. Do not punish the players/current coaches who has nothing to do with it.
- jmatchett383

Yeah because if you go down that train of logic that the NCAA should hand out the death penalty to a program because an employee or player within it committed a crime, you're opening yourself to a lot of cases that will go beyond justice and a lot of inocent people will get punished. On a yearly basis, how many college athletes commit crimes? Out of those, how many are felonies? It's unfair to a whole lot of people to shut down an entire program because of the actions of one person.

Let's look at ND here for an example. We have a coach that is 100% guilty of man slaughter and has probably aided in the cover up of a handful of sexual assault cases, one which may or may not have lead to the suicide of a St. Mary's student. What is justice at this point? Firing the coach and probably the AD for allowing his subordinate to (frank) up epically under his watch and report all available evidence to the authorities and allow the legal process to take place, or to let the NCAA step in, hand us the death penalty and punish Mike Brey's basketball squad which Brey runs cleanly and with integrity. ND is a great fencing school which normally sends student athletes to the Olympics. Should that program be stopped due to the actions of the head football coach. Sorry soccer, rowing, and lacrosse. The head football coach is a criminal so you can't have scholar ships anymore. You have to remember that the death penalty involves so much more than just football and is really only a just punishment when an AD is purposely violating NCAA regulations involving scholar ships, recruitment, and bribing to give their program an unfair advantage in NCAA competition. Not at all applicable when it comes to crime under the law under the United States.

Yeah they all should have at minimum been fired. But lets face it, College Football is the cash cow of a Univ and they will protect it no matter what.....but thats a whole other discussion.

The 1 I dont get is Mike Mcqueary. He was a key witness, saw what happened, reported it, nothing was done, no investigation, yet he kept coaching there and could work around everyone. I mean years later, Hey JoePa....remember that sh!t I told you about? Why is Sandusky still here? Did you tell anyone? How do you not follow up? My guess is JoePa had told him he would recommend him for the head coach spot when the time came.
- sammy87

That's probably what happened. Again, JoePa was basically God at Penn State at that point. He likely knew that if he went public with it, he was out of his dream job. It wasn't the right thing to do, but that's a very tough spot to be in.