Don't deflect. You've gone from bad coaching to bad goaltending, but haven't answered my question. What are they supposed to be better than? What would being 5-0 get this team? They're most likely not going to challenge for a playoff spot, so I'd rather them learn from their mistakes and learn the importance of protecting leads now than later in the season when defences are tighter.

I'm not thrilled with Andersen, but you can't hang this loss on him. Or Babcock. Straight up inexperience is the Achilles heel of this team. Would you like to know what remedies inexperience?
- BetterCallSaul

A prostitute?

Wrong Paul, next to Polak was Panik, on the other side of Hunwick was Kane I believe, it's easy to blame when no one was covering the 4 guys other than the D. No support.
- LeafMan

Polak and hunwick were atrocious last night. 2 guys in front of the net on the tying goal and those two just standing there watching. Polak flopping around instead of clearing the crease (which is supposed to be what he does). Hunwick 2 time zones away on the opening goal. Just brutal.

sicko
- Fruitcakenipple

Better

Polak and hunwick were atrocious last night. 2 guys in front of the net on the tying goal and those two just standing there watching. Polak flopping around instead of clearing the crease (which is supposed to be what he does). Hunwick 2 time zones away on the opening goal. Just brutal.
- burn

Another one wrong, FFS, Polak is covering Panik, in front of Hunwick was Kane because there was no support from the other three. Everyone is quick to blame the D. They weren't the sole blame for Christ sake.

Another one wrong, FFS, Polak is covering Panik, in front of Hunwick was Kane because there was no support from the other three. Everyone is quick to blame the D. They weren't the sole blame for Christ sake.
- LeafMan

The two guys closest to the net dman responsibility.

Polak and hunwick were atrocious last night. 2 guys in front of the net on the tying goal and those two just standing there watching. Polak flopping around instead of clearing the crease (which is supposed to be what he does). Hunwick 2 time zones away on the opening goal. Just brutal.
- burn

I think it's time to go after one of these young d men available. Young d men aren't available like this ever but there are a couple on the market. Time for Lou to take advantage of that.

The two guys closest to the net dman responsibility.
- burn

FFS, I give up trying to explain the circumstance for what happened.

(frank) this place, I give up.

FFS, I give up trying to explain the circumstance for what happened.

(frank) this place, I give up.
- LeafMan

The D wasn't good in the late collapse. I think that's pretty obvious.

Wrong Paul, next to Polak was Panik, on the other side of Hunwick was Kane I believe, it's easy to blame when no one was covering the 4 guys other than the D. No support.

Gardiner wasn't out with the extra skater nor would he be.
- LeafMan

I find it interesting what was said about Andersen also. It fits with what he has done so far, and why some people who say he has not been bad ot to blame.

There have been a lot of goals where he was full stretch doing the splits or sprawling, but really nowhere near stopping the puck. It *looks* like it was an impossible shot to stop, until you start wondering why he was so far out, or so far over to one side in the first place?

I think that Biron thread was really interesting.

Wrong Paul, next to Polak was Panik, on the other side of Hunwick was Kane I believe, it's easy to blame when no one was covering the 4 guys other than the D. No support.
- LeafMan

Doesn't matter. When there's two guys in front of the net with the puck, whoever is on the outside is irrelevant at that point. Saying that you were guarding the guy on the outside is irrelevant - the puck is already in the net.

Gardiner wasn't out with the extra skater nor would he be.

Why not? The other team typically gets fewer shots when he's on the ice, and clearly the uber-talented Hunwick-Polak duo didn't work. As an FYI, GArdiner is also getting fewer OZone starts than Rielly, and more DZone starts, so clearly he's not being sheltered.

FFS, I give up trying to explain the circumstance for what happened.

(frank) this place, I give up.
- LeafMan

I don't care about circumstance, I know full well. I watched the game. The two guys closest to the net are the dman responsibility. There is no debate about this. Good defense doesnt allow 2 guys to stand on top of the crease and cover two guys further away from the net. It's simple basic hockey. Peewee hockey.

FFS, I give up trying to explain the circumstance for what happened.

(frank) this place, I give up.
- LeafMan

Polak and Hunwick are poop..

The D wasn't good in the late collapse. I think that's pretty obvious.
- Santo_44

The collapse is team wide. I've been vocal about Andersen being a problem, and he is, right now. Even I have to concede that these 3rd period collapses are a total team effort. They are choking under pressure. It is a psychological problem. They need confidence that they *can* close out a game.

Another one wrong, FFS, Polak is covering Panik, in front of Hunwick was Kane because there was no support from the other three. Everyone is quick to blame the D. They weren't the sole blame for Christ sake.
- LeafMan

And in front of the net was Toews and Hossa.


Guess who posed the more present danger?

I find it interesting what was said about Andersen also. It fits with what he has done so far, and why some people who say he has not been bad ot to blame.

There has been a lot of goals where he was full stretch doing the splits or sprawling, but really nowhere near stopping the puck. It *looks* like it was an impossible shot to stop, until you start wondering why he was so far out, or so far over to one side in the first place?

I think that Biron thread was really interesting.
- Aetherial

Because the pass came cross ice? Cross crease. He had to travel the furthest possible to go from where the puck was to where it went. The defense (the team) needs to not allow that to happen.

FFS, I give up trying to explain the circumstance for what happened.

(frank) this place, I give up.
- LeafMan

The Defense had no clue what to do Imo. Yes the center should of been there as well for support. Who was the on that play anyways??

FFS, I give up trying to explain the circumstance for what happened.

(frank) this place, I give up.
- LeafMan

Because the pass came cross ice? Cross crease. He had to travel the furthest possible to go from where the puck was to where it went. The defense (the team) needs to not allow that to happen.
- burn

Oh I agree, the whole thing was a mess.

This is probably the 4th or 5th goal I have seen him allow though where he could not get over in time and part of that is simply the angles when he is so far out of the net. He is always out of the net, and always down.

It is not fair to compare him to Price, but watch Price and his movements are extremely compact and his angles are perfect and he is not always out of his net so far that the other team is one short pass away from a wide open net.

Now, maybe this style of goaltending has a purpose if the D is doing its job properly? Right now though, the D is lost, the forwards are lost and the goalie seems to be playing a style that isn't coordinated with the goaltending philosophy because of it.

The Defense had no clue what to do Imo. Yes the center should of been there as well for support. Who was the on that play anyways??
- fansince72

Polak and hunwick should have cleared the front of the net. That's their guys. The other guys have to be picked up by the wingers/centres. Hunwick and polak got caught in lala land

Oh I agree, the whole thing was a mess.

This is probably the 4th or 5th goal I have seen him allow though where he could not get over in time and part of that is simply the angles when he is so far out of the net. He is always out of the net, and always down.

It is not fair to compare him to Price, but watch Price and his movements are extremely compact and his angles are perfect and he is not always out of his net so far that the other team is one short pass away from a wide open net.

Now, maybe this style of goaltending has a purpose if the D is doing its job properly? Right now though, the D is lost, the forwards are lost and the goalie seems to be playing a style that isn't coordinated with the goaltending philosophy because of it.
- Aetherial

Solid post. Nice take.

Oh I agree, the whole thing was a mess.

This is probably the 4th or 5th goal I have seen him allow though where he could not get over in time and part of that is simply the angles when he is so far out of the net. He is always out of the net, and always down.

It is not fair to compare him to Price, but watch Price and his movements are extremely compact and his angles are perfect and he is not always out of his net so far that the other team is one short pass away from a wide open net.

Now, maybe this style of goaltending has a purpose if the D is doing its job properly? Right now though, the D is lost, the forwards are lost and the goalie seems to be playing a style that isn't coordinated with the goaltending philosophy because of it.
- Aetherial

and dont forget the "Reimer" quality rebounds.. .

OMG "Reimerbounds"

Oh I agree, the whole thing was a mess.

This is probably the 4th or 5th goal I have seen him allow though where he could not get over in time and part of that is simply the angles when he is so far out of the net. He is always out of the net, and always down.

It is not fair to compare him to Price, but watch Price and his movements are extremely compact and his angles are perfect and he is not always out of his net so far that the other team is one short pass away from a wide open net.

Now, maybe this style of goaltending has a purpose if the D is doing its job properly? Right now though, the D is lost, the forwards are lost and the goalie seems to be playing a style that isn't coordinated with the goaltending philosophy because of it.
- Aetherial

He's more of a blocker, he plays higher out of his crease than the likes of lundqvist or price. Makes him more suseptable to that cross crease pass. They need to be way better are stopping that. its the toughest stop for a goalie to make. They've allowed far too many, Andersen has easily stopped as many as he has allowed (of this type) and that is all you can ask for.

And in front of the net was Toews and Hossa.


Guess who posed the more present danger?
- lumlums

i'm going to say panik was ..... cause he is the one that scored..........

I find it interesting what was said about Andersen also. It fits with what he has done so far, and why some people who say he has not been bad ot to blame.

There have been a lot of goals where he was full stretch doing the splits or sprawling, but really nowhere near stopping the puck. It *looks* like it was an impossible shot to stop, until you start wondering why he was so far out, or so far over to one side in the first place?

I think that Biron thread was really interesting.
- Aetherial

Watch the replay.

Panarin was sooo far to the outside and Anisimov was sooo far on the other side....that's why Andersen had to go so far. Also, watch Hunwick having a leisurely skate back to the D zone with Anisimov right (frank)ing in front of him.

Any one who is putting this on Andersen is dead wrong.


I WILL REPEAT....IF YOUR TEAM D INCLUDES MARICIN, POLAK, HUNWICK....AND THEY ARE EVEN PLAYING TOP 2 PAIRING AT TIMES.....YOU'RE (frank)ED!

Polak and hunwick should have cleared the front of the net. That's their guys. The other guys have to be picked up by the wingers/centres. Hunwick and polak got caught in lala land
- bryant

100%. The d takes the guy/s closet to the goal, those are the most dangerous guys.

Polak is supposed to be a crease clearer, but he didn't lay a hand on any hawk player, just stood and at watched. Just atrocious d.

Not to mention the dumbass penalty he took.