would miller accept a trade knowing full well he would be relegated to a back up role in a contract year?

if i remember he has a NTC no?
- Dozzer

Miller for Dustin Brown and a 3rd.

Makes perfect sense.

Cuz.........Jim Benning.

Ok I'll look at the past five Cups series...winners on left, losers on right.

2016 Pens GF245 GA203 +42 vs Sharks GF241 GA210 +31
2015 Hawks GF229 GA189 +40 vs Tampa GF262 GA211 +51
2014 Kings GF206 GA174 +32 vs RangersGF218 GA193 +25
2013 Hawks GF155 GA102 +53 vs Bruins GF131 GA109 +22
2012 Kings GF194 GA179 +15 vs Devils GF228 GA209 +19
- LeftCoaster

The margin of error for a sample size of 5 is 43.82%

- LeftCoaster

Seen you were getting a hard time for thinking a high pick is a good thing pretty much

Seen you were getting a hard time for thinking a high pick is a good thing pretty much
- ClarksonDavid

It's all good...I'll convince them sooner or later the reason the Canucks haven't ever won a Stanley Cup is they've historically been one of the poorest drafting teams in the league, along with the Leafs I might ad

It's all good...I'll convince them sooner or later the reason the Canucks haven't ever won a Stanley Cup is they've historically been one of the poorest drafting teams in the league, along with the Leafs I might ad
- LeftCoaster

Yeah leafs drafting has been pretty upsetting over the years. Looks better recently but pretty hard to tell at this point. Nylander looks like he's going to be a great pick at his spot.

The margin of error for a sample size of 5 is 43.82%
- The Shrike

Ok so look at the past ten Stanley Cup Champions and who's made it to the finals or even the final four. The teams with the lowest goals against are always in the mix, that's not an anomaly, it's empirical evidence.

2017

Ducks
Caps
Kings
Lightning
Blues
Panthers
Penguins
Wild
Devils
Hawks
11th Sharks

2015

Canadiens
Hawks
Rangers
Blues
Wild
Caps
Kings
Preds
Jets
Pens

2014

Kings
Bruins
Blues
Rangers
Sharks
Canadiens
Wild
Pens
Devils
Ducks

2013

Hawks
Sens
Bruins
Rangers
Blues
Wings
Sharks
Ducks
Kings
Pens

2012

Blues
Kings
Rangers
Canucks
Bruins
Wings
Yotes
Devils
Preds
Sharks

2011

Canucks
Bruins
Preds
Caps
Rangers
Kings
Pens
Devils
Canadiens
Sharks

2010

Devils
Bruins
Yotes
Sabres
Hawks
Flames
Sharks
Wings
Rangers
Kings

2009

Outlier

2008

#1 goals against....Wings and they won the Cup

2007

Ducks were #7 in goals against and they won the Cup

It goes on and on like this...I'm sorry but you're wrong.

It's all good...I'll convince them sooner or later the reason the Canucks haven't ever won a Stanley Cup is they've historically been one of the poorest drafting teams in the league, along with the Leafs I might ad
- LeftCoaster

The problem with the Leafs was never drafting (Burke era notwithstanding), it was trading away those prospects for older, worsening players.

Yeah leafs drafting has been pretty upsetting over the years. Looks better recently but pretty hard to tell at this point. Nylander looks like he's going to be a great pick at his spot.
- ClarksonDavid

Yes the Leafs have drafted some highend skilled guys, but that's only the beginning. So far so good though!

The problem with the Leafs was never drafting (Burke era notwithstanding), it was trading away those prospects for older, worsening players.
- Steven_Seagull

That was your (fans) fault, full house for a shot at the Cup with a team built through trades and free agency.

That was your (fans) fault, full house for a shot at the Cup with a team built through trades and free agency.
- LeftCoaster

I blame the media. It's a rigged system.

Yes the Leafs have drafted some highend skilled guys, but that's only the beginning. So far so good though!
- LeftCoaster

Yup. I'm pretty happy with how it's going.

Yup. I'm pretty happy with how it's going.
- ClarksonDavid

Fans, all of us, tend to get ahead of themselves with something shiny and new, building takes time...be patient. The new regime has only been there for a few years.

Fans, all of us, tend to get ahead of themselves with something shiny and new, building takes time...be patient. The new regime has only been there for a few years.
- LeftCoaster

Believe me, I don't expect them to be good for a couple years. Happy with the direction they're going and the kids they are adding to the line up. They're playing good hockey right now and getting bad goaltending, defence has been questionable at times but bad goaltending has been the problem, they play how they have been and they're in for improvement this year.

Damn nevermind. He's a genius.
- ClarksonDavid

Believe me, I don't expect them to be good for a couple years. Happy with the direction they're going and the kids they are adding to the line up. They're playing good hockey right now and getting bad goaltending, defence has been questionable at times but bad goaltending has been the problem, they play how they have been and they're in for improvement this year.
- ClarksonDavid

its not the goaltending

you could have a brick wall along the goal line and the leafs overall D is so porous the opposition would still score

andersen in his last game had half a dozen ten bell saves ... you cant expect the goaltender to be superhuman

its not the goaltending

you could have a brick wall along the goal line and the leafs overall D is so porous the opposition would still score

andersen in his last game had half a dozen ten bell saves ... you cant expect the goaltender to be superhuman
- Dozzer

The goaltending has not been that good. Defence hasn't either. Combination of both

The goaltending has not been that good. Defence hasn't either. Combination of both
- ClarksonDavid

the goaltending has been shaky because of the defense... both andersen and enroth have proven track records with competent D in front of them

the leafs are (frank)ing terrible without the puck... not just bad... terrible

the goaltending has been shaky because of the defense... both andersen and enroth have proven track records with competent D in front of them

the leafs are (frank)ing terrible without the puck... not just bad... terrible
- Dozzer

I really don't think it's been that bad. Goaltending hasn't been good any way you look at it, enroth should of had two of the goals the other night. defence hasnt been very good either.[url]

I really don't think it's been that bad. Goaltending hasn't been good any way you look at it, enroth should of had two of the goals the other night. defence hasnt been very good either.
- ClarksonDavid[url]

i think overall play without the puck and in their own zone has been bad and yeah.. including a couple shaky goals from our netminding

i still think andersen is a stud.... i really do... but the leafs run around in their end so much he cant really ever get set properly because he always adjusting to the players in front of him

nice part is its a defensive systems issue... its something that can be taught

i do like how polak has been put into the lineup... the defense was just simply too young

I really don't think it's been that bad. Goaltending hasn't been good any way you look at it, enroth should of had two of the goals the other night. defence hasnt been very good either.
- ClarksonDavid[url]

I think the problem for most people is that they blame GOOD hockey goals on goaltending.

Maybe you should do the exercise I did the other day. Look at the Game in 6, watch every goal objectively.

You will find that when you take out the goals caused by bad D, bad forward D or just a really good hockey goal....very few goals in the last few games have been on the either Andersen or Enroth.

The D is (frank)ing brutal plus our veteran forwards are terrible at play in the D zone and then the kids are just learning to play that side of the puck.

Fix those things and if we are losing 5-1, bad goaltending but you won't really know until then.

I think the problem for most people is that they blame GOOD hockey goals on goaltending.

Maybe you should do the exercise I did the other day. Look at the Game in 6, watch every goal objectively.

You will find that when you take out the goals caused by bad D, bad forward D or just a really good hockey goal....very few goals in the last few games have been on the either Andersen or Enroth.

The D is (frank)ing brutal plus our veteran forwards are terrible at play in the D zone and then the kids are just learning to play that side of the puck.

Fix those things and if we are losing 5-1, bad goaltending but you won't really know until then.
- underhill14

I like to think I do watch it objectively. I haven't even chimed in on the Anderson talk because I don't think he's been as bad as everyone is saying. I don't think he's been good, but he hasn't been as bad as people are saying. I thought enroth was ok the other night but there was two bad goals imo.

i think overall play without the puck and in their own zone has been bad and yeah.. including a couple shaky goals from our netminding

i still think andersen is a stud.... i really do... but the leafs run around in their end so much he cant really ever get set properly because he always adjusting to the players in front of him

nice part is its a defensive systems issue... its something that can be taught

i do like how polak has been put into the lineup... the defense was just simply too young
- Dozzer

I'm defiantly not writing Anderson off after like 2 bad games. I'm sure he will be fine.

I'm defiantly not writing Anderson off after like 2 bad games. I'm sure he will be fine.
- ClarksonDavid

i am honestly curious to see how he does once the leafs get their defensive structure down

in 43 games last season he only lost 9.... to me that tells me he is a very competent netminder when the players in front of him play strong defensively

i am honestly curious to see how he does once the leafs get their defensive structure down

in 43 games last season he only lost 9.... to me that tells me he is a very competent netminder when the players in front of him play strong defensively
- Dozzer

Yeah probably doesn't help he was injured to start the year. He will get better. I thought he was awesome to start the game against the Jets. Hopefully he has a nice game tonight, hopefully the team plays good infront of him too. Matthews line didn't look very good in there end last couple games. Only line that has done really well in there own end is the Kadri Komorov line to me. Other lines have been pretty ok at times too

Yeah probably doesn't help he was injured to start the year. He will get better. I thought he was awesome to start the game against the Jets. Hopefully he has a nice game tonight, hopefully the team plays good infront of him too. Matthews line didn't look very good in there end last couple games. Only line that has done really well in there own end is the Kadri Komorov line to me. Other lines have been pretty ok at times too
- ClarksonDavid

i do like the kadri komarov line... but at the same time i think babcock should consider minor changes in his lines

flip kadri and bozak for instance?

in fairness, i think babcock is still feeling out who fits where and who should be doing what... its a very new roster afterall... between the coach figuring out what lineup works best and the guys getting used to each other its gong to be bumpy for the first little while