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NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Oct 21 @ 4:04 PM ET
Sure wins are key.... but they weren't snoozer game gamers either ... the first one had less chances given the line combos

Bu hey can we have our cake and eat it too ....?....why not with the good two way capability .... would be possible with adding JV and Rodin to the line up... hmmm

- Nuck4U

Yeah, I think getting both those guys back in would help for entertainment value. The games for sure haven't been boring, but there is definitely excitement that comes naturally with knowing we have a chance to win most nights/the ability to come back when down in a game.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Oct 21 @ 4:06 PM ET
Worst case scenario for Vancouver

They'll win just enough to scrape into the playoffs, or finish just out of them, never finishing low enough to get their next future Superstar to carry the torch after the Sedins leave (or inevitable slow into a 2nd line/support role)

5 more years of Benning and no real playoff success, will lead to a change in management and another 5 years of rebuild

Trying to win now is just kicking the can down the road

- TheGame316

Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Oct 21 @ 4:08 PM ET
I would love to see it happen.
- Reveen.


Not likely if they finish 1&2 in the division
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Oct 21 @ 4:11 PM ET
Yeah, I think getting both those guys back in would help for entertainment value. The games for sure haven't been boring, but there is definitely excitement that comes naturally with knowing we have a chance to win most nights/the ability to come back when down in a game.
- NorthNuck

WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Oct 21 @ 4:12 PM ET
Worst case scenario for Vancouver

They'll win just enough to scrape into the playoffs, or finish just out of them, never finishing low enough to get their next future Superstar to carry the torch after the Sedins leave (or inevitable slow into a 2nd line/support role)

5 more years of Benning and no real playoff success, will lead to a change in management and another 5 years of rebuild

Trying to win now is just kicking the can down the road

- TheGame316


Cool story, where did Boston draft their superstars? Detroit? Rangers? LA got Doughty 2nd overall, but what about the rest of those guys? Cup winning Ducks found Perry and Getzlaf in the bottom of a first round. Development of the players is important, Canucks are well on their way to doing it right with Utica and not rushing kids into the lineup by bringing in vets, high draft picks mean very little
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Oct 21 @ 4:15 PM ET
Worst case scenario for Vancouver

They'll win just enough to scrape into the playoffs, or finish just out of them, never finishing low enough to get their next future Superstar to carry the torch after the Sedins leave (or inevitable slow into a 2nd line/support role)

5 more years of Benning and no real playoff success, will lead to a change in management and another 5 years of rebuild

Trying to win now is just kicking the can down the road

- TheGame316


Always refreshing to get such a positive outlook.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Oct 21 @ 4:16 PM ET
Worst case scenario for Vancouver

They'll win just enough to scrape into the playoffs, or finish just out of them, never finishing low enough to get their next future Superstar to carry the torch after the Sedins leave (or inevitable slow into a 2nd line/support role)

5 more years of Benning and no real playoff success, will lead to a change in management and another 5 years of rebuild

Trying to win now is just kicking the can down the road

- TheGame316



This is not an old decaying team of veterans scraping by.... it's a mix group on a rebuild and more pieces are coming .... by draft now more then ever BB, Demko, etc. so winning is part of development... why we play the games.... you can't plan to fail just to get top draft picks
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Oct 21 @ 4:17 PM ET
The October cup may yours this year!
nicely done.

- Fakepartofme


The banner raising ceremony is sheduled for Oct 29th.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Oct 21 @ 4:17 PM ET
Thanks Carol...good stuff


Just finished playing hockey, man I'm getting old, a few flashes of brilliance today but the older you get the harder it is. I'm going to be a grandpa next year, so I should lower my expectations out there I guess
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Oct 21 @ 4:20 PM ET
The banner raising ceremony is sheduled for Oct 29th.
- bloatedmosquito

they're playing well, if they can stay healthy and keep things tight defensively they'll be fine.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Oct 21 @ 4:20 PM ET
Thanks Carol...good stuff


Just finished playing hockey, man I'm getting old, a few flashes of brilliance today but the older you get the harder it is. I'm going to be a grandpa next year, so I should lower my expectations out there I guess

- LeftCoaster


That's what makes Jagr so special.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Oct 21 @ 4:20 PM ET
they're playing well, if they can stay healthy and keep things tight defensively they'll be fine.
- LeftCoaster


Fine for what?
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 21 @ 4:21 PM ET
Cool story, where did Boston draft their superstars? Detroit? Rangers? LA got Doughty 2nd overall, but what about the rest of those guys? Cup winning Ducks found Perry and Getzlaf in the bottom of a first round. Development of the players is important, Canucks are well on their way to doing it right with Utica and not rushing kids into the lineup by bringing in vets, high draft picks mean very little
- WhiteLie



I agree with most of what you said but the reality is that high draft picks mean quite a lot. There are always outliers but the majority of elite talent comes from the top 5 picks.

Top talent doesn't necessarily lead to championships though. I think there is an obvious corrilation between high draft picks and high end talent. Winning the cup takes a lot more than having the best players.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Oct 21 @ 4:25 PM ET
You've never been shanghaied?
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Oct 21 @ 4:26 PM ET
I agree with most of what you said but the reality is that high draft picks mean quite a lot. There are always outliers but the majority of elite talent comes from the top 5 picks.

Top talent doesn't necessarily lead to championships though. I think there is an obvious corrilation between high draft picks and high end talent. Winning the cup takes a lot more than having the best players.

- belcherbd


Of course youre picking out the negatives Eeyore!!!!

Your second paragraph is along the lines of what I meant though, Edmonton stockpiled top draft talent and is hasnt translated to much overall success
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Oct 21 @ 4:30 PM ET
Worst case scenario for Vancouver

They'll win just enough to scrape into the playoffs, or finish just out of them, never finishing low enough to get their next future Superstar to carry the torch after the Sedins leave (or inevitable slow into a 2nd line/support role)

5 more years of Benning and no real playoff success, will lead to a change in management and another 5 years of rebuild

Trying to win now is just kicking the can down the road

- TheGame316


YOu are the worst
bigpetar
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Burnaby, BC
Joined: 10.07.2010

Oct 21 @ 4:30 PM ET
Cool story, where did Boston draft their superstars? Detroit? Rangers? LA got Doughty 2nd overall, but what about the rest of those guys? Cup winning Ducks found Perry and Getzlaf in the bottom of a first round. Development of the players is important, Canucks are well on their way to doing it right with Utica and not rushing kids into the lineup by bringing in vets, high draft picks mean very little
- WhiteLie


Spot on!!!!!!! Sometimes smart drafting works out better than tanking! Only reason tanking will work for the Oilers now is cuz they got McJesus. Wasn't working too well before him.

Anyways, lets start the parade on Burrard st, then head to robson......
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Oct 21 @ 4:31 PM ET
I agree with most of what you said but the reality is that high draft picks mean quite a lot. There are always outliers but the majority of elite talent comes from the top 5 picks.

Top talent doesn't necessarily lead to championships though. I think there is an obvious corrilation between high draft picks and high end talent. Winning the cup takes a lot more than having the best players.

- belcherbd


IMO the talent chosen over the past 10+ years seems to be more consistant with meeting expectations.

Alexander Ovechkin
Sidney Crosby
Patrick Kane
Steven Stamkos
John Tavares
Taylor Hall
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Nathan MacKinnon
Aaron Ekblad
Connor McDavid
Auston Matthews

Busts are becoming less regular. Kids are more prepared to enter the NHL right away. Scouting process has become more scientific. I just think landing a young superstar is much more likely these days.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Oct 21 @ 4:35 PM ET
Spot on!!!!!!! Sometimes smart drafting works out better than tanking! Only reason tanking will work for the Oilers now is cuz they got McJesus. Wasn't working too well before him.

Anyways, lets start the parade on Burrard st, then head to robson......

- bigpetar


It's got to be ticker tape so start at Rogers, move along Georgia, finish at Lord Stanley's statue in Stanley Park. Perfect.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Oct 21 @ 4:36 PM ET
Worst case scenario for Vancouver

They'll win just enough to scrape into the playoffs, or finish just out of them, never finishing low enough to get their next future Superstar to carry the torch after the Sedins leave (or inevitable slow into a 2nd line/support role)

5 more years of Benning and no real playoff success, will lead to a change in management and another 5 years of rebuild

Trying to win now is just kicking the can down the road

- TheGame316

And you have won how many cups?
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Oct 21 @ 4:37 PM ET
The banner raising ceremony is sheduled for Oct 29th.
- bloatedmosquito

Halloween riot?
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Oct 21 @ 4:38 PM ET
IMO the talent chosen over the past 10+ years seems to be more consistant with meeting expectations.

Alexander Ovechkin
Sidney Crosby
Patrick Kane
Steven Stamkos
John Tavares
Taylor Hall
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Nathan MacKinnon
Aaron Ekblad
Connor McDavid
Auston Matthews

Busts are becoming less regular. Kids are more prepared to enter the NHL right away. Scouting process has become more scientific. I just think landing a young superstar is much more likely these days.

- bloatedmosquito


Feels like youre missing a name from that list... maybe an Edmonton fan could help us out
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Oct 21 @ 4:39 PM ET
Feels like youre missing a name from that list... maybe an Edmonton fan could help us out
- WhiteLie

bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Oct 21 @ 4:39 PM ET
Feels like youre missing a name from that list... maybe an Edmonton fan could help us out
- WhiteLie


I think I left off one or two. But it's the percentage you have to play. And the percentages fall in the favour of high draft picks.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Oct 21 @ 4:40 PM ET


This is not an old decaying team of veterans scraping by.... it's a mix group on a rebuild and more pieces are coming .... by draft now more then ever BB, Demko, etc. so winning is part of development... why we play the games.... you can't plan to fail just to get top draft picks

- Nuck4U


I will have whatever you are having.
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