Are advanced stats actually correct about any defenseman in the NHL whatsoever?

Just saw one comparing Marincin to Fowler, where it makes it look like Fowler is god awful and Marincin is a stud

personally, I'd take Fowler over Marincin 100 times out of 100.
- WingmanWillie

Marincin IS a stud, especially when he gives you this look

To me it is just a small tool with too many inconsistencies on judging a player. Way too many variables not taken into account.
- LeafMan

That's what she said.

what i loe most about the stats is the dual presumptions that shot attempts are the true measure of quality hockey but goals are utterly random and flukey.
- DoubleDown

When we talk against adv. stats we are uninformed and close minded.

That's what she said.


- Aetherial

My heartfelt sorry.

Well, we have beaten to death the goaltending fiasco horse.

We all pretty much agree that the defense as a whole is terrible.
We all pretty much agree that Gardiner is an average Dman, at best.
I think we all agree that the kids are outplaying the vets.
I think we all agree that Marner needs some linemates that can keep up with him.
I think we can all agree that Mathews and Nylander have some work to do figuring out the defensive side.

... there just isn't a lot left to discuss, except maybe advanced stats, or boobs.

yeah, somewhere we went off the rails.
- Aetherial

( . Y . )

what i loe most about the stats is the dual presumptions that shot attempts are the true measure of quality hockey but goals are utterly random and flukey.
- DoubleDown

Utterly random!

Given enough time, Every player will score on the same percentage of shots, regardless of quality of competition or goaltending.

Therefore, games should be decided by shots towards the goal. It is the only realistic way to measure the quality of play IMHO.

Oh and a game played by a 1st overall pick has the exact same value as a game played by a 7th round pick. Therefore we can determine the TRUE VALUE of a first overall pick just by looking at average games played by draft round.

Where is Lucas?

Where is Lucas?
- Leafsandbolts

Got a note from him, he is stuck in the middle of Hamilton harbour, broken engine. He did catch a Chernobyl like beauty though.

IDK, He might actually be working.

Got a note from him, he is stuck in the middle of Hamilton harbour, broken engine. He did catch a Chernobyl like beauty though.
- LeafMan

Where is Lucas?
- Leafsandbolts

Got a note from him, he is stuck in the middle of Hamilton harbour, broken engine. He did catch a Chernobyl like beauty though.
- LeafMan

Lot of bass in Burlington Bay but do taste peculiar!

Got a note from him, he is stuck in the middle of Hamilton harbour, broken engine. He did catch a Chernobyl like beauty though.
- LeafMan

So his car happens to break down while he's pulling in unnaturally large fish? How fortuitous.

Lot of bass in Burlington Bay but do taste peculiar!
- Leafsandbolts

Bass normally are not the best tasting fish to start with.

The Raptors new uniforms (Huskies, or are they) are well..quite blue.

The Raptors new uniforms (Huskies, or are they) are well..quite blue.
- LeafMan

Is that the Toronto Huskies throwback alternate?

Did Lums actually get a ban today?

Or did you guys scare away the analytic crew?

The Raptors new uniforms (Huskies, or are they) are well..quite blue.
- LeafMan

Got a link? They should have always been the Huskies with a blue/white based colour scheme.

Yeah, another close game. Can't complain so far this season, especially with a team full of rookies.
- Zezel

This is me complaining about the goaltending.

Got a link? They should have always been the Huskies with a blue/white based colour scheme.
- 1979AD

Did Lums actually get a ban today?

Or did you guys scare away the analytic crew?
- Garnie

He left under protest.

He left under protest.
- LeafMan

I would have gotten banned if he didn't, I suspect..

He left under protest.
- LeafMan

he did ask for a ban....I guess he did the "self ban"

I would have gotten banned if he didn't, I suspect..
- bixll

That's cause you're old.

That's cause you're old.
- Garnie

Yup,, but nope..

Yup,, but nope..
- bixll

You buying a new axe this weekend or what?????????