Flyers should consider moving PEB, Weise and VDV up in the lineup to help get their offense going

the right answer is that is the way Hack wants it.
- MBFlyerfan

By this logic, every coach every where ever is managing their team perfectly. The question was why Sean Couturier didn't see more time killing penalties in the early going of a penalty. A few people have asked. I don't think there anything wrong with asking this.

If you say so, but they all weren't.
- MJL

I dont think they were his fault, I just wanted to see what it felt like to make poop up

Can't wait to see what magic Chris VanDangleVelDe has up his sleeve tonight.
- countreeman28

The right answer is the way hack wants it...or something like this...

Flyers should consider moving PEB, Weise and VDV up in the lineup to help get their offense going
- PhillySportsGuy

on pace for a combined 0 points

The right answer is the way hack wants it...or something like this...
- SuperSchennBros

I dont think they were his fault, I just wanted to see what it felt like to make poop up
- YuenglingJagr

Ben and Jerry's name was inspired by Ben Affleck and Jerry Stiller.

the right answer is that is the way Hack wants it.
- MBFlyerfan

Feanor, do you have the stats on whether or not Sean Couturier has been the lone forward to start and kill off a 3 on 5 against the Flyers since Bellemare has been here? I'm 100% positive that Couturier isn't. I would also like to know how often over the course of Coots career he has started a 3 on 5 over other defensive centers on the team.

If anyone knows this, this would be interesting.
- SuperSchennBros

I dont know of anywhere that tracks 3v5 time as anything other than short handed. From my memory it has always mostly Coots and PEB

Ben and Jerry's name was inspired by Ben Affleck and Jerry Stiller.
- jmatchett383

And here I thought it was a father son operation

Flyers should consider moving PEB, Weise and VDV up in the lineup to help get their offense going
- PhillySportsGuy

No, they have their hands full generating all that defense in the bottom 6.

By this logic, every coach every where ever is managing their team perfectly. The question was why Sean Couturier didn't see more time killing penalties in the early going of a penalty. A few people have asked. I don't think there anything wrong with asking this.
- SuperSchennBros

I agree with you in that Couturier should be used more on the PK. Hak seems to like using VDV and PEB at the beginning of the PK (At least he did last year. We need more of a sample size before judging this year) and I don't understand why. They're not particularly good, so matching them up against opposing top units is a bad idea.

Ultimately, the Flyers should have crafted a bottom six with more offensive potential. Instead, they have mostly plugs and need the top 6 to generate almost all of the 5v5 offense. I think Hak is trying to save Couturier and Giroux for more 5v5 time.

This strategy could work if the bottom six could just break even at ES and excel on the PK. Unfortunately, neither of those things is true.

The third line finally came together last year when they put Gagner and Cousins together on it. Now, they've removed Cousins and replaced him with an inferior player in PEB, and removed Gagner and replaced him with a net front guy in Weise. Weise can be better, but he needs guys around him to make things happen. He's not going to get the puck through the neutral zone like Gagner did for them last year. Maybe Read can step up and fill that void. Raffl certainly can when he comes back from injury.

I like Hak's system and I think he's shown great restraint by not handcuffing young players, but I certainly don't think he's done a great job of optimizing the lineup on a game to game basis.

end rant;

I dont think they were his fault, I just wanted to see what it felt like to make poop up
- YuenglingJagr

The video doesn't make poop up. Also what you're insinuating, is flat out incorrect. That can also be supported.

Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 10/20/16 vs. ANA -- Home Opener
- bmeltzer

Lettuce just get the win. That is all.....

Edit:

I called the Hossa goal against us. Tonight I'm calling a TK goal.

The video doesn't make poop up. Also what you're insinuating, is flat out incorrect. That can also be supported.
- MJL

Yeah, but in the end, Ottawa is in Canada.

Flyers should consider moving PEB, Weise and VDV up in the lineup to help get their offense going
- PhillySportsGuy

They'd definitely give the top six some of that slap and tickle it sorely needs.

Mason

They'd definitely give the top six some of that slap and tickle it sorely needs.
- countreeman28

who is the slap and who is the tickle

It was my 2nd ever show. I was 11. I got a ridiculous contact high, spent the second half laying in my mom's lap. I wish I could relive that show now, as I couldn't fully grasp it.
- jmatchett383

This.
Explains.






Everything.

I agree with you in that Couturier should be used more on the PK. Hak seems to like using VDV and PEB at the beginning of the PK (At least he did last year. We need more of a sample size before judging this year) and I don't understand why. They're not particularly good, so matching them up against opposing top units is a bad idea.

Ultimately, the Flyers should have crafted a bottom six with more offensive potential. Instead, they have mostly plugs and need the top 6 to generate almost all of the 5v5 offense. I think Hak is trying to save Couturier and Giroux for more 5v5 time.

This strategy could work if the bottom six could just break even at ES and excel on the PK. Unfortunately, neither of those things is true.

The third line finally came together last year when they put Gagner and Cousins together on it. Now, they've removed Cousins and replaced him with an inferior player in PEB, and removed Gagner and replaced him with a net front guy in Weise. Weise can be better, but he needs guys around him to make things happen. He's not going to get the puck through the neutral zone like Gagner did for them last year. Maybe Read can step up and fill that void. Raffl certainly can when he comes back from injury.

I like Hak's system and I think he's shown great restraint by not handcuffing young players, but I certainly don't think he's done a great job of optimizing the lineup on a game to game basis.

end rant;
- PhillySportsGuy

Gagner not being on the team, is Hextall's decision, not Hakstol's. I for one am glad that Gagner was not brought back. Not a good player in my opinion, and certainly not a player I want on the 3rd line. I also favor Bellemare over Cousins as a player, but I agree that Bellemare is not really a 3rd line player. The Flyers have a whole at the 3rd line center spot, and I'm not sure Cousins in the answer there.

The video doesn't make poop up. Also what you're insinuating, is flat out incorrect. That can also be supported.
- MJL

so a defenseman goes leroy jenkins and pinches but fails to make an effective hit and a defenseman makes a lazy play that causes a turnover and a breakaway

both total team breakdowns...got it

The video doesn't make poop up. Also what you're insinuating, is flat out incorrect. That can also be supported.
- MJL

Wow that language. Very unlike you. He has gotten you riled up!

Lettuce just get the win. That is all.....

Edit:

I called the Hossa goal against us. Tonight I'm calling a TK goal.
- hockeylover

you certainly did

I agree with you in that Couturier should be used more on the PK. Hak seems to like using VDV and PEB at the beginning of the PK (At least he did last year. We need more of a sample size before judging this year) and I don't understand why. They're not particularly good, so matching them up against opposing top units is a bad idea.

Ultimately, the Flyers should have crafted a bottom six with more offensive potential. Instead, they have mostly plugs and need the top 6 to generate almost all of the 5v5 offense. I think Hak is trying to save Couturier and Giroux for more 5v5 time.

This strategy could work if the bottom six could just break even at ES and excel on the PK. Unfortunately, neither of those things is true.

The third line finally came together last year when they put Gagner and Cousins together on it. Now, they've removed Cousins and replaced him with an inferior player in PEB, and removed Gagner and replaced him with a net front guy in Weise. Weise can be better, but he needs guys around him to make things happen. He's not going to get the puck through the neutral zone like Gagner did for them last year. Maybe Read can step up and fill that void. Raffl certainly can when he comes back from injury.

I like Hak's system and I think he's shown great restraint by not handcuffing young players, but I certainly don't think he's done a great job of optimizing the lineup on a game to game basis.

end rant;
- PhillySportsGuy

Love Matt Read

I write a long ass response and MJL is the only one who responds. I gotta get a life.

Edit: Thank you S2TP