are you Donald Trump...!? so basically you're confirming what I said but denying it at the same time...??? #hilarious
- marcandredespatie

in what way did I confirm what you said, which was "we finished top 2 in the NHL 3 of the last 4 years".....which I said is completely false, and in actual fact is completely false.

you need to work on your reading comprehension

Nice try bud... do some research before posting. In 2013 u guys had around 11 to 12 000 season ticket holders vs around 15 000 for habs. Thats not a huge difference if you ask me. The issues about location and all are true, but alas, they don't seem like they'll be going away. To me, the situation looks worrisome but we'll see I guess. You're 11 000 last night looked like some of the season ticket holders (a lot of them) were not even there!!!!

... you seem a little sensitive. My post might have pinched a nerve.!?
- marcandredespatie


You seem to be proving my point here.

Ottawa has less corporate support, therefore less season ticket holders. The gap of 3000 probably all due to that.

Ottawa is a city that relies on game day sales. That means a Tuesday in October against the Phonenix Coyotes, after the Sens played the night before (we are not stupid, I will never spend my money on tickets after the team played the night before) is obviously not going to have good attendance.


and, I never talked about moving the team...


What the (frank) else does #notNHLworthy mean, dumbass?

It just occurred to me. You are likely explaining business concepts to a child. marcandredespatie - Ottawa vs. Montreal fans are no more or less passionate and deserving of a team. We have the same hockey culture. This is an issue of economics, socio-demographics and geography. All this comment went to show is how little you know about both business and your own country.

It just occurred to me. You are likely explaining business concepts to a child. marcandredespatie - Ottawa vs. Montreal fans are no more or less passionate and deserving of a team. We have the same hockey culture. This is an issue of economics, socio-demographics and geography. All this comment went to show is how little you know about both business and your own country.
- nohtingbutnet

or anything really

thats why I hate the ottawa senators... crap fanbase, mediocre on ice product and internal budget that handcuffs it all... SMH
- marcandredespatie

Even though I'm pretty sure you don't have one, I'm curious what your criteria is for determining a mediocre on ice product given the following...

# Average Wins (adjusted for the partial lockout year)
Past 5yrs: MTL 43 - OTT 40
Past 10yrs : MTL 43 - OTT 40
Past 20yrs: OTT 40 - MTL 39

# Years Missing Playoffs
Past 5yrs: MTL 2 - OTT 2
Past 10yrs : OTT 4 - MTL 3
Past 20yrs: MTL 7 - OTT 5

Head-to-Head Playoff Record:
OTT 1 - MTL 1

Factor in that Ottawa's the only one of these two teams to have made the Cup Finals since the invention of Microsoft Windows, and I wouldn't say there's exactly a massive divide between the two teams' performance over any particular time period of the past 2 decades. In fact, given the financial advantages that the Canadiens have, I'd suggest that it's actually kind of embarrassing that there isn't a more obvious gap in team performance... particularly if the Senators are such a sub-standard franchise.

Even though I'm pretty sure you don't have one, I'm curious what your criteria is for determining a mediocre on ice product given the following...

# Average Wins (adjusted for the partial lockout year)
Past 5yrs: MTL 43 - OTT 40
Past 10yrs : MTL 43 - OTT 40
Past 20yrs: OTT 40 - MTL 39

# Years Missing Playoffs
Past 5yrs: MTL 2 - OTT 2
Past 10yrs : OTT 4 - MTL 3
Past 20yrs: MTL 7 - OTT 5

Head-to-Head Playoff Record:
OTT 1 - MTL 1

Factor in that Ottawa's the only one of these two teams to have made the Cup Finals since the invention of Microsoft Windows, and I wouldn't say there's exactly a massive divide between the two teams' performance over any particular time period of the past 2 decades. In fact, given the financial advantages that the Canadiens have, I'd suggest that it's actually kind of embarrassing that there isn't a more obvious gap in team performance... particularly if the Senators are such a sub-standard franchise.
- khawk

Did I just hear you drop a mic?

We had a discussion at the beginning of the year about who were our 'players that needed to be on top of their game in order for the Sens to have a good year'.

I picked Anderson #1 and after the first 4 games, I couldn't feel more strongly about my choice. I know picking a goalie is generally obvious (even though I think I was the only one to mention him).

Andy has looked completely lost so far this year. Actually, it almost seems like he's disinterested. Weak shots look tough and he looks like he has no desire to jump on pucks around the crease.

Arizona's 4th goal was a perfect example: The puck went around our boards and to the point. Anderson didn't even get into his stance! He wasn't in the 'ready position' the entire time the Yotes were in our zone on that play. I know it was a deflection, and a tough save to make, but if you aren't ready with your stick on the ice, you have zero chance. I know the Sens were up 3 with only a few mins left, but still.

I get that the Sens gave up a ton of shots last night, but most of those were not quality shots. He made things way more difficult than they had to be.

Hammond is not a bona-fide NHL goalie in my opinion, and if Andy doesn't at least give us an average NHL starter-type performance this season, we are going to be screwed.
- Charliebox

Don't sweat the small details this early in the year. I agree that the Andy hasn't been as solid as he can be, but same can be said of Hammond. Good thing, our offense is top tier in the league and so far its been enough to win most games. I do understand this formulae is no recipe for long term success, but its a new system and if we can win with a new coach and new system, things should be interesting when the system is completed understood and implemented.

Did I just hear you drop a mic?
- JaredCrozier

Even though I'm pretty sure you don't have one, I'm curious what your criteria is for determining a mediocre on ice product given the following...

# Average Wins (adjusted for the partial lockout year)
Past 5yrs: MTL 43 - OTT 40
Past 10yrs : MTL 43 - OTT 40
Past 20yrs: OTT 40 - MTL 39

# Years Missing Playoffs
Past 5yrs: MTL 2 - OTT 2
Past 10yrs : OTT 4 - MTL 3
Past 20yrs: MTL 7 - OTT 5

Head-to-Head Playoff Record:
OTT 1 - MTL 1

Factor in that Ottawa's the only one of these two teams to have made the Cup Finals since the invention of Microsoft Windows, and I wouldn't say there's exactly a massive divide between the two teams' performance over any particular time period of the past 2 decades. In fact, given the financial advantages that the Canadiens have, I'd suggest that it's actually kind of embarrassing that there isn't a more obvious gap in team performance... particularly if the Senators are such a sub-standard franchise.
- khawk

AMEN! Totally agree.

Nice try bud... do some research before posting. In 2013 u guys had around 11 to 12 000 season ticket holders vs around 15 000 for habs. Thats not a huge difference if you ask me. The issues about location and all are true, but alas, they don't seem like they'll be going away. To me, the situation looks worrisome but we'll see I guess. You're 11 000 last night looked like some of the season ticket holders (a lot of them) were not even there!!!!

... and, I never talked about moving the team... you seem a little sensitive. My post might have pinched a nerve.!?
- marcandredespatie

So an NHL team is trash or not worthy based on their tickets sold? That to me is a faulty analysis, something that doesn't even deserve a reply. Montreal is not that great hockey club you think they are, considering your past success at stanley were mainly all in the period the NHL had only 8 teams, a whooping 8 (frank)ing teams! Secondly, offense on your team blows and Pacioretti looks like Mr. BEAN and is no longer the bonafide cherry picker he was so he can't score anymore.

So I'll take my poopty team over your Bean poop team any day of the week.

Even though I'm pretty sure you don't have one, I'm curious what your criteria is for determining a mediocre on ice product given the following...

# Average Wins (adjusted for the partial lockout year)
Past 5yrs: MTL 43 - OTT 40
Past 10yrs : MTL 43 - OTT 40
Past 20yrs: OTT 40 - MTL 39

# Years Missing Playoffs
Past 5yrs: MTL 2 - OTT 2
Past 10yrs : OTT 4 - MTL 3
Past 20yrs: MTL 7 - OTT 5

Head-to-Head Playoff Record:
OTT 1 - MTL 1

Factor in that Ottawa's the only one of these two teams to have made the Cup Finals since the invention of Microsoft Windows, and I wouldn't say there's exactly a massive divide between the two teams' performance over any particular time period of the past 2 decades. In fact, given the financial advantages that the Canadiens have, I'd suggest that it's actually kind of embarrassing that there isn't a more obvious gap in team performance... particularly if the Senators are such a sub-standard franchise.
- khawk

still, only 11 000 of you show up to watch the game live (WHATEVER the circumstances) even with those ''great'' stats... hmmmmm so enthused you guys seem.

one last thing: 0 cups and that will never (ever) change. You can bank on that.

So an NHL team is trash or not worthy based on their tickets sold? That to me is a faulty analysis, something that doesn't even deserve a reply. Montreal is not that great hockey club you think they are, considering your past success at stanley were mainly all in the period the NHL had only 8 teams, a whooping 8 (frank)ing teams! Secondly, offense on your team blows and Pacioretti looks like Mr. BEAN and is no longer the bonafide cherry picker he was so he can't score anymore.

So I'll take my poopty team over your Bean poop team any day of the week.
- PtotheY

I can't believe all of you are implying that 11 000 people at a game is acceptable... thats a half empty arena for christ sakes!!! What do you guys think the opinions are around the league??? You think this is favorable to your team, to try and make it better!???

quote (twitter) from a respected Ottawa based journalist, Alain Sanscartier:

''Une première pour moi ce soir en 17 ans de la couverture à l'analyse des Sénateurs, une foule annoncée de 11 061 spectateurs #riendacquis''

Come on guys, don't go around saying this is normal, please. It should not be ignored and it should sound some alarms at the least...

Why, it's almost as if last night's early-season game was starting around the time that another major sport's playoff game would be ending.

I can't believe all of you are implying that 11 000 people at a game is acceptable... thats a half empty arena for christ sakes!!! What do you guys think the opinions are around the league??? You think this is favorable to your team, to try and make it better!???
- marcandredespatie

We are clearly wasting our time trying to justify why there wasn't a full house in last night's game. Apparently, you can lead a Habs fan to an arena, but you can't make him smart!

quote (twitter) from a respected Ottawa based journalist, Alain Sanscartier:

''Une première pour moi ce soir en 17 ans de la couverture à l'analyse des Sénateurs, une foule annoncée de 11 061 spectateurs #riendacquis''

Come on guys, don't go around saying this is normal, please. It should not be ignored and it should sound some alarms at the least...
- marcandredespatie

jesus, do you even read.........

like you said, it's not normal.....like he said, it's the first time it's ever happened. maybe if it becomes a pattern then it's something to worry about, until then it's a single game, on a Tuesday night, when the jays were playing in the ALCS, and against an opponent that nobody cares about.

go back to the habs thread, you've been owned enough in this one already.

still, only 11 000 of you show up to watch the game live (WHATEVER the circumstances) even with those ''great'' stats... hmmmmm so enthused you guys seem.

one last thing: 0 cups and that will never (ever) change. You can bank on that.
- marcandredespatie

we can't all have the incredible future that's in store for the habs, with an aging roster and almost zero prospects coming through the system.

I can't believe all of you are implying that 11 000 people at a game is acceptable... thats a half empty arena for christ sakes!!! What do you guys think the opinions are around the league??? You think this is favorable to your team, to try and make it better!???
- marcandredespatie

ZZZ please go away

still, only 11 000 of you show up to watch the game live (WHATEVER the circumstances) even with those ''great'' stats... hmmmmm so enthused you guys seem.
one last thing: 0 cups and that will never (ever) change. You can bank on that.
- marcandredespatie

So no intelligent point then? Great, thanks.

Naturally, Stanley Cups won before 1928 do count for the Montreal Canadiens and their sacred tally of 24, but don't count for the Ottawa Senators because their fans didn't show up once to a Tuesday night game in October against a team that plays in the desert.

you can't be a bona fide #1 goaltender until you get #1 goaltender minutes.

marcandredespatie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Canada, QC
Joined: 05.14.2008

Today @ 10:33 AM ET
how about those 11 000 in attendance!!! WTF!????

#notNHLworthy

thats why I hate the ottawa senators... crap fanbase, mediocre on ice product and internal budget that handcuffs it all... SMH


This is the dumbest troll comment of the day. You know nothing of the fan base from your ivory tower in habsland. Ottawa will be just fine thank you. Have a nice day

As dumb as this conversation is, I'm gunna bite...

I don't agree with anything that hashtag guy is talking about with the attendance crap or the fans. Although they were 23rd in average capacity percentage, they still filled the seats on average of 94.4%. Would it be nice if it was more? Sure. As has been mentioned here, there are number of factors that come in to play and I'm sure the new arena downtown will help. Boggles me why a Habs fan would care so much about this.

Also think the guy who said, next to Price, we're bottom 5 team or something like that is full of !@#$. Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but the vast majority of people would disagree with that sentiment. The last time we plummeted in the standings like last year we drafted Galchenyuk 3rd overall and came #1 overall in the standings the following year. Not saying we'll be #1 this year, but I'm confident we'll make it to the dance this year while I'm not so sure about the Sens.

As a Habs fan who grew up in Ottawa, another big issue is how many Leaf fans are in the city. Most of my buddies I grew up with in Ottawa are Leaf fans. Maybe that's just my POV or generation... Not sure what the scene is like these days as I'm currently in TO.

In terms of what team is better: to the guy who Jared says "dropped the mic", Ottawa may have gotten to the finals in 2007, but the Habs have been more competitive since, going to the conference finals twice since then (2010 and most recently in 2014). You can spin that !@#$ any way you want, all that matters is the present and I think that people unanimously believe that the Habs are a better team this year than the Sens (but not by much). Nevertheless, you guys still got one up on us (in OT). I'm looking forward to the next match!

Did I just hear you drop a mic?
- JaredCrozier

im embarrassed for anyone who was part of that argument.

we can't all have the incredible future that's in store for the habs, with an aging roster and almost zero prospects coming through the system.
- sensarmy_11

Dude... cupboards are pretty comparable imho...

In terms of D, Sergachev is by far the best prospective Dman between both organizations, though he needs another year to develop. He's widely projected to becoming a top pairing defender. Chabot is your best D prospect coming up and, although I haven't seen him play, I also haven't heard anything promising. Juulsen hasn't played any NHL games, but I'd peg his ceiling as comparable to Chabot, so I think we got you on D (if we didn't fail so hard last year it'd likely be even).

In terms of FWD, McCarron is our best C coming up, though I think he's ultimately going to be a #3C. I liked his game last year, though he needs to develop more offensively. Sens have Colin White and Logan Brown, neither of which have played any NHL games thus far, so jury's still out on those guys. Nevertheless, I think they both have higher ceiling's than McCarron so I'll give you guys the edge on that one.

In terms of age on the roster, according to:
http://www.quanthockey.co...rs-2016-17-nhl-stats.html

Ottawa = 28 years, 10 months, 19 days

Montreal = 27 years, 9 months, 23 days

Dude... cupboards are pretty comparable imho...

In terms of D, Sergachev is by far the best prospective Dman between both organizations, though he needs another year to develop. He's widely projected to becoming a top pairing defender. Chabot is your best D prospect coming up and, although I haven't seen him play, I also haven't heard anything promising. Juulsen hasn't played any NHL games, but I'd peg his ceiling as comparable to Chabot, so I think we got you on D (if we didn't fail so hard last year it'd likely be even).

In terms of FWD, McCarron is our best C coming up, though I think he's ultimately going to be a #3C. I liked his game last year, though he needs to develop more offensively. Sens have Colin White and Logan Brown, neither of which have played any NHL games thus far, so jury's still out on those guys. Nevertheless, I think they both have higher ceiling's than McCarron so I'll give you guys the edge on that one.

In terms of age on the roster, according to:
http://www.quanthockey.co...rs-2016-17-nhl-stats.html

Ottawa = 28 years, 10 months, 19 days

Montreal = 27 years, 9 months, 23 days
- GstrangWondah

Man, I'm just trilling a troll....I don't disagree with anything you said except that your D prospect projects higher than chabot

Man, I'm just trilling a troll....I don't disagree with anything you said except that your D prospect projects higher than chabot
- sensarmy_11

oh...

you think Juulsen projects higher than Chabot?