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Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Oct 18 @ 3:51 PM ET
Big game tonight, need those two points
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Oct 18 @ 3:59 PM ET
Big game tonight, need those two points
- Streit2ThePoint

It's as close to a must win as you're going to get in game three of the season.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 18 @ 4:03 PM ET
Yes, but the mystique behind Oakland was that they were run on a shoe string budget and had to be competitive. Boston used the same methods, but just outbid everybody to get who they wanted.
- jmatchett383

thats because it is the only way that Oakland is competitive given their payroll constraints. If Billy Beane suddenly got an extra 50 million a year to burn, would he then be "buying" champinoships? The Red Sox did try to buy championships and couldnt. They stopped doing that to some extent. They routinely drafted well and developed players. Manny, Pedro...okay...but I dont really see many other comparisons to the Yankees. There were several Oakland A's type players on that winning roster
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 18 @ 4:34 PM ET
thats because it is the only way that Oakland is competitive given their payroll constraints. If Billy Beane suddenly got an extra 50 million a year to burn, would he then be "buying" champinoships? The Red Sox did try to buy championships and couldnt. They stopped doing that to some extent. They routinely drafted well and developed players. Manny, Pedro...okay...but I dont really see many other comparisons to the Yankees. There were several Oakland A's type players on that winning roster
- YuenglingJagr


Johnny Damon
Curt Schilling
Nomar Garciaparra

There were actually several player from those A's teams. They just got huge salaries when they went to Boston. There were only 2 teams that year over $100M, the Yankees and the Red Sox. While they didn't outspend the Yankees, they outspent every other team.

Again, I don't mind the strategy they used because, well, they had to. Just don't act like you're better than the Yankees for doing the same thing you always accused them of doing.

Edit: Angels and Mets were just north of $100M. Yankees and Boston were a distant #1 and #2.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 18 @ 4:39 PM ET
Johnny Damon
Curt Schilling
Nomar Garciaparra

There were actually several player from those A's teams. They just got huge salaries when they went to Boston. There were only 2 teams that year over $100M, the Yankees and the Red Sox. While they didn't outspend the Yankees, they outspent every other team.

Again, I don't mind the strategy they used because, well, they had to. Just don't act like you're better than the Yankees for doing the same thing you always accused them of doing.

Edit: Angels and Mets were just north of $100M. Yankees and Boston were a distant #1 and #2.

- jmatchett383


Nomar was drafted by the Red Sox and got traded...the other two I agree with even though I didn't see Damon as much of a "buy" compared to any other free agent

edit: pretty sure the red sox acquired a pick they used on Ellsbury in the Nomar deal as well
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 18 @ 4:43 PM ET
Nomar was drafted by the Red Sox and got traded...the other two I agree with even though I didn't see Damon as much of a "buy" compared to any other free agent

edit: pretty sure the red sox acquired a pick they used on Ellsbury in the Nomar deal as well

- YuenglingJagr


Sorry, thought Nomar was drafted by the Cubs (other way around).

Yes, they drafted well...but they went out and spent $24M more than any other team sans New York. Acting like they didn't try to do what the Yankees did, which is spent big to get the players you target, is nonsense. Again, I have no problem with it, but (frank)ing own it.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 18 @ 5:07 PM ET
Is that what happened, or was it just not profitable?
- MJL


http://www.tsn.ca/talent/...-fanager-creator-1.587383

Poraszka announced at a September hockey forum that he reached a deal in principal with a blog network to purchase General Fanager, which would allow him to quit his day job as a senior associate with SapientNitro to focus full-time on the development of the site. That was before a connection was made with the Las Vegas franchise.


/shrug
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 18 @ 5:15 PM ET
http://www.tsn.ca/talent/...-fanager-creator-1.587383



/shrug

- Tomahawk


Thanks for the info. Bettman needs to come up with a better excuse for not including cap information on NHL.com, than there isn't a thirst for it among the fans!
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 18 @ 5:21 PM ET
Is that what happened, or was it just not profitable?
- MJL


Works for Team Vegas now

Edit: LLLLLLLLLLLLeight
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 18 @ 5:23 PM ET
Works for Team Vegas now

Edit: LLLLLLLLLLLLeight

- PhillySportsGuy


www.capfriendly.com

At least until those cats get hired by a team
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Oct 18 @ 5:26 PM ET
I literally just realized that Matt Duchene is Mike Wheeler from Stranger Things grown up
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Oct 18 @ 5:27 PM ET
Holy (frank) 3 more hours to go? I don't know what to do with myself.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 18 @ 5:32 PM ET
Holy (frank) 3 more hours to go? I don't know what to do with myself.
- Mononoke

Eat, drink and be merry

Or just light up and look all around
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 18 @ 5:41 PM ET
Finally, a game that ends before midnight!

Rather than bump Cousins down to the 4th line, I'd like to see them give Lyubimov a shot. Their bottom six could use some more speed and size

- BiggE


PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 18 @ 5:49 PM ET
www.capfriendly.com

At least until those cats get hired by a team

- Jsaquella


Ty, sweetheart
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Oct 18 @ 5:53 PM ET
I just want to know what bold and forward thinking organization will hire James Tanner.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 18 @ 5:55 PM ET
I just want to know what bold and forward thinking organization will hire James Tanner.
- Mononoke


Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Oct 18 @ 5:57 PM ET

- PhillySportsGuy


Nah he's on record as being against analytics...not that Tanner knows anything about analytics. In fact, if the guy who makes those HERO charts is ever hired away and the site goes down, Tanner is so (frank)ed.

It's going to be some awful organization who wants to get into advanced stats but doesn't know their head from their ass about them. Enter Tanner.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Oct 18 @ 6:05 PM ET
If Crisp VDV gets a point tonight, he gets to stay in the lineup another 70 games as his reward. If he records a shot and is no worse than -3, he gets 40 games. If he is still alive after the game, 20 games. If he is not alive after the game, 10 games.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 18 @ 6:20 PM ET
Thanks for the info. Bettman needs to come up with a better excuse for not including cap information on NHL.com, than there isn't a thirst for it among the fans!

- MJL


God forbid any of us know what a player makes, or where in the upper/lower body a player is hurt. The entire hockey world would come crashing down.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 18 @ 6:20 PM ET

- PhillySportsGuy


I could totally see that happening, lol.

It's going to be some awful organization who wants to get into advanced stats but doesn't know their head from their ass about them. Enter Tanner.
- Mononoke


mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Oct 18 @ 6:26 PM ET
Nah he's on record as being against analytics...not that Tanner knows anything about analytics. In fact, if the guy who makes those HERO charts is ever hired away and the site goes down, Tanner is so (frank)ed.

It's going to be some awful organization who wants to get into advanced stats but doesn't know their head from their ass about them. Enter Tanner.

- Mononoke

So Calgary...
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Oct 18 @ 6:30 PM ET
I could totally see that happening, lol.




- Tomahawk


If he says something nice about Nathan Horton the job is probably his
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 18 @ 6:32 PM ET
Nah he's on record as being against analytics...not that Tanner knows anything about analytics. In fact, if the guy who makes those HERO charts is ever hired away and the site goes down, Tanner is so (frank)ed.

It's going to be some awful organization who wants to get into advanced stats but doesn't know their head from their ass about them. Enter Tanner.

- Mononoke


I mean there are hockey fans who have a masters in this stuff and would know what to do.

*Clears throat*
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Oct 18 @ 6:42 PM ET
I mean there are hockey fans who have a masters in this stuff and would know what to do.

*Clears throat*

- PhillySportsGuy


Sorry but I don't trust eggheads who don't watch the games anymore than I trust medical doctors who don't watch Grey's Anatomy. It's why I get my hockey analysis from the philly.com comments section and my surgeries from a midwife.
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