- Mordecai

Toby understood it just fine

Reiner finds a way to lose a game while leading with 10 seconds remaining and marchessaults goal streak ends

Guess going to sleep was the right move after all.

Guess going to sleep was the right move after all.
- BiggE

They folded like a cheap tent after tying the game

They folded like a cheap tent after tying the game
- MikesPillBottle

Well, falling behind 4-0 wasn't a good idea to begin with

Well, falling behind 4-0 wasn't a good idea to begin with
- BiggE

Had to give Chicago a handicap to beat us. We love playing from behind.

This is a good game to just forget about and move on. A lot of guys had rough nights, but it's a long season and at least they get Schenn back for the home opener.

Which, BTW, I'll be watching in Key West!!!

Yeah, I had to rub it in!

Any news on Raffl? If he's out, I'm hoping they make some changes and the lines tomorrow night are:

Schenn-G-Jake
TK-Coots-Simmonds
Read-Cousins-Weise
Lyub-Gordon-PEB

Of course, we know this will never happen because the almighty VDV must play every game.

This is known.
It is written.
It is the will of the Great Cthulhu

Almost cruel to put Provorov back on to get another - on an EN, but it was a show of faith too. Just a tough tough game for Provorov. He really didn't do much wrong with his game. Just awful luck, a stumble, poor coverage by his teammates, a pass in the skates after a heads up play, never getting bailed out. This is a big learning game, but it still didn't feel like he played that poorly. Everything just spiraled or didn't break right.
- Mononoke

C'mon dude, seriously! I understand he's a 19 year old rookie, but he played a very poor game. So did Gostisbehere. Defensively, the rest of the team wasn't much better.

On the Kane goal, his partner, Streit was way up ice for some reason, with two Hawks behind him leaving Provorov back in a jam. Provorov played it badly though, leaving his feet twice, and being in a mess around the net.

On the 2nd goal, he tried to make a junior play and over handle the puck. Last man back like that, the play is a simple chip off the boards and out of the zone. Bad decision making that he will learn from.

On Chicago's 5th goal, he was too aggressive attacking the play at the blueline, when he should of retreated. The play starts with a bad neutral zone turnover by Giroux, but Provorov made another bad decision that he will learn from.

On Panarin's 2nd goal of the game, he's trying to do too much and again, trying to make a junior play. Defenseman leading the rush, tries a drop pass, leading to a 2 on 1 the other way. Another poor decision that he will learn from.

Saying he didn't do much wrong is entirely inaccurate. He did a lot wrong. Games like this are going to be a part of the learning curve for a 19 year old player. He's going to be a really good player in this league, but he still has a lot of development left to do. I think he'll bounce back.

Any news on Raffl? If he's out, I'm hoping they make some changes and the lines tomorrow night are:

Schenn-G-Jake
TK-Coots-Simmonds
Read-Cousins-Weise
Lyub-Gordon-PEB

Of course, we know this will never happen because the almighty VDV must play every game.

This is known.
It is written.
It is the will of the Great Cthulhu
- BiggE

Hextall will release a statement today saying Raffl is out a month. The good news is Schenn will just replace Raffl. And the best news of all is Hakstol can keep his binky boy VDV in the lineup!!

C'mon dude, seriously! I understand he's a 19 year old rookie, but he played a very poor game. So did Gostisbehere. Defensively, the rest of the team wasn't much better.

On the Kane goal, his partner, Streit was way up ice for some reason, with two Hawks behind him leaving Provorov back in a jam. Provorov played it badly though, leaving his feet twice, and being in a mess around the net.

On the 2nd goal, he tried to make a junior play and over handle the puck. Last man back like that, the play is a simple chip off the boards and out of the zone. Bad decision making that he will learn from.

On Chicago's 5th goal, he was too aggressive attacking the play at the blueline, when he should of retreated. The play starts with a bad neutral zone turnover by Giroux, but Provorov made another bad decision that he will learn from.

On Panarin's 2nd goal of the game, he's trying to do too much and again, trying to make a junior play. Defenseman leading the rush, tries a drop pass, leading to a 2 on 1 the other way. Another poor decision that he will learn from.

Saying he didn't do much wrong is entirely inaccurate. He did a lot wrong. Games like this are going to be a part of the learning curve for a 19 year old player. He's going to be a really good player in this league, but he still has a lot of development left to do. I think he'll bounce back.
- MJL

No he didn't have his best game by far, but that Kane goal, IMO, is solely on Streit. Where the hell was he? I mean come on, you are a vet playing with a 19 year old rookie and you leave the kid out to hang? Streit, IMO, had a worse game than Provorov.

In fact, if he doesn't pick up his defensive game soon, he'd be one of the 2 guys I'd sit when Gudas and MDZ are both back.

First goal is Streit making 2 poor plays: 1, not playing defense leading to 2 on 1 and 2, not even covering the post when he was right there. Second goal he lost an edge, just tough. Third goal Read's fault -- that's his man who snuck in. Fourth goal a good rush idea, just passed into the skates of Coots, leads to odd man other way. Fifth the EN.

So, no, he wasn't nearly the hot mess you're making out. In fact, that's the lazy narrative tbh. Just a weird unfortunate game for him. Made his share of mistakes, but nowhere near the level -5 looks like. Just every time he got burned for them or his teammates hung him out to dry. Ghost had every bit as bad a night personally and was even.
- Mononoke

Yes he was a hot mess in the game. Saying he was just unfortunate is being an apologist for him. Take into account that he's 19 years old and game like this are going to happen, and yes, he was not the only one at fault, be he had a horrendous game. If we want to talk about fortunes, Gostisbehere was the one who was fortunate for his poor game, as you alluded to.

No he didn't have his best game by far, but that Kane goal, IMO, is solely on Streit. Where the hell was he? I mean come on, you are a vet playing with a 19 year old rookie and you leave the kid out to hang? Streit, IMO, had a worse game than Provorov.

In fact, if he doesn't pick up his defensive game soon, he'd be one of the 2 guys I'd sit when Gudas and MDZ are both back.
- BiggE

Streit before tonight has played very well in my opinion. I mentioned Striet being way up ice on the goal, leaving Provorov back by himself, but still, Provorov was in a panic and played it very poorly, taking himself out of the play twice.

C'mon dude, seriously! I understand he's a 19 year old rookie, but he played a very poor game. So did Gostisbehere. Defensively, the rest of the team wasn't much better.

On the Kane goal, his partner, Streit was way up ice for some reason, with two Hawks behind him leaving Provorov back in a jam. Provorov played it badly though, leaving his feet twice, and being in a mess around the net.

On the 2nd goal, he tried to make a junior play and over handle the puck. Last man back like that, the play is a simple chip off the boards and out of the zone. Bad decision making that he will learn from.

On Chicago's 5th goal, he was too aggressive attacking the play at the blueline, when he should of retreated. The play starts with a bad neutral zone turnover by Giroux, but Provorov made another bad decision that he will learn from.

On Panarin's 2nd goal of the game, he's trying to do too much and again, trying to make a junior play. Defenseman leading the rush, tries a drop pass, leading to a 2 on 1 the other way. Another poor decision that he will learn from.

Saying he didn't do much wrong is entirely inaccurate. He did a lot wrong. Games like this are going to be a part of the learning curve for a 19 year old player. He's going to be a really good player in this league, but he still has a lot of development left to do. I think he'll bounce back.
- MJL

I know for a fact you are either Al Morganti or you just took what he said post game word for word

I know for a fact you are either Al Morganti or you just took what he said post game word for word
- YuenglingJagr

lol thought the same thing

I actually watched the game on a delay after my wife went to sleep. I skipped the entire first period having seen the score and my friend texted me and said provorov looked bad towards when the actual game was ending. I therefore was looking at provorov almost the entire rest of the game and I am on the side that is leaning towards bad luck. I think itll be good game to learn and I enjoyed watching the guys say stuff to him to pick him back up.

On almost every play that didnt end up in the back of the net he was sealing off his man. Making good plays to get it out of the zone. Making good passes (they weren't all there i.e. Coots pass) One play specifically Toews came charging in and Provorov followed all the way to the end boards and sandwiched him there.

He couldn't catch a break and was also seeing a lot of time against a pretty damn good line. So while he did have a bad game, I thought just the way things happened ended up making it seem much worse.

Streit before tonight has played very well in my opinion. I mentioned Striet being way up ice on the goal, leaving Provorov back by himself, but still, Provorov was in a panic and played it very poorly, taking himself out of the play twice.
- MJL

I think overall, Streit has played ok, but a lot of that is based on his play in the offensive zone. Defensively he's been mediocre at best and it seems that the 19 year old kid often has to cover for his mistakes. Right now, if everyone was healthy and not suspended, I'd try:

MDZ-Ghost
Provorov-Gudas
AMac or Manning-Schultz

I'd put Schultz with MDZ on the PK and late in games when protecting a lead.

I actually watched the game on a delay after my wife went to sleep. I skipped the entire first period having seen the score and my friend texted me and said provorov looked bad towards when the actual game was ending. I therefore was looking at provorov almost the entire rest of the game and I am on the side that is leaning towards bad luck. I think itll be good game to learn and I enjoyed watching the guys say stuff to him to pick him back up.

On almost every play that didnt end up in the back of the net he was sealing off his man. Making good plays to get it out of the zone. Making good passes (they weren't all there i.e. Coots pass) One play specifically Toews came charging in and Provorov followed all the way to the end boards and sandwiched him there.

He couldn't catch a break and was also seeing a lot of time against a pretty damn good line. So while he did have a bad game, I thought just the way things happened ended up making it seem much worse.
- YuenglingJagr

Agree 100%. He needs a better partner than Streit, IMO

Streit before tonight has played very well in my opinion. I mentioned Striet being way up ice on the goal, leaving Provorov back by himself, but still, Provorov was in a panic and played it very poorly, taking himself out of the play twice.
- MJL

That is just about the worst situation you can find yourself in as a 19 y/o rookie d-man. The most lethal combo in the NHL perhaps, and his mistake was that he went down so early.. Maybe a half second later and its the right play trying to eliminate the pass... They didnt score right there though.. so it was a collective failure on that play.
Him tripping is just a bad break. Should he have chipped it off the boards? Sure. But it wasnt like the guy was right on top of him. He blew a tire (which looked as though was happening all night, maybe bad ice?) and the guy took it in a finished.

His worst play all night was when he tried a no look back pass that handcuffed the forward and led to the 5th goal (i believe). Dont get cute, just drive it in, dump it in, or peel off.

That is just about the worst situation you can find yourself in as a 19 y/o rookie d-man. The most lethal combo in the NHL perhaps, and his mistake was that he went down so early.. Maybe a half second later and its the right play trying to eliminate the pass... They didnt score right there though.. so it was a collective failure on that play.
Him tripping is just a bad break. Should he have chipped it off the boards? Sure. But it wasnt like the guy was right on top of him. He blew a tire (which looked as though was happening all night, maybe bad ice?) and the guy took it in a finished.

His worst play all night was when he tried a no look back pass that handcuffed the forward and led to the 5th goal (i believe). Dont get cute, just drive it in, dump it in, or peel off.
- jak521

All young players are going to have growing pains for the most part. Being on the ice for all 5 ES goals is a bit absurd.

That is just about the worst situation you can find yourself in as a 19 y/o rookie d-man. The most lethal combo in the NHL perhaps, and his mistake was that he went down so early.. Maybe a half second later and its the right play trying to eliminate the pass... They didnt score right there though.. so it was a collective failure on that play.
Him tripping is just a bad break. Should he have chipped it off the boards? Sure. But it wasnt like the guy was right on top of him. He blew a tire (which looked as though was happening all night, maybe bad ice?) and the guy took it in a finished.

His worst play all night was when he tried a no look back pass that handcuffed the forward and led to the 5th goal (i believe). Dont get cute, just drive it in, dump it in, or peel off.
- jak521

Exactly, and all mistakes that I'm sure he will learn from, and rarely, if ever, make again. What I like about this kid more than anything is his innate hockey sense and feel for the game. He has the ability to think the game at a high level and that cannot be taught. Now, add that to great wheels, skills and a solid NHL build and you have a potential superstar Dman.

That is just about the worst situation you can find yourself in as a 19 y/o rookie d-man. The most lethal combo in the NHL perhaps, and his mistake was that he went down so early.. Maybe a half second later and its the right play trying to eliminate the pass... They didnt score right there though.. so it was a collective failure on that play.
Him tripping is just a bad break. Should he have chipped it off the boards? Sure. But it wasnt like the guy was right on top of him. He blew a tire (which looked as though was happening all night, maybe bad ice?) and the guy took it in a finished.

His worst play all night was when he tried a no look back pass that handcuffed the forward and led to the 5th goal (i believe). Dont get cute, just drive it in, dump it in, or peel off.
- jak521

I think both the second goal where he fell and the 5th where he passed it to Coots are plays that get made pretty routinely. Call me crazy or biased but I really didnt mind him challenging that puck in the neutral zone either. It was right after a Giroux turnover and if it is made the Flyers maybe go the other way. I also think the coverage behind him could've been better from everyone, but I am willing to live with those mistakes for now

I know for a fact you are either Al Morganti or you just took what he said post game word for word
- YuenglingJagr

Or Bundy during the game..

I think both the second goal where he fell and the 5th where he passed it to Coots are plays that get made pretty routinely. Call me crazy or biased but I really didnt mind him challenging that puck in the neutral zone either. It was right after a Giroux turnover and if it is made the Flyers maybe go the other way. I also think the coverage behind him could've been better from everyone, but I am willing to live with those mistakes for now
- YuenglingJagr

I agree, but if you are gonna make a play on the rush at the blue line, the pass has to be there. Otherwise you get what happened last night.

He had a rough game. There is no two ways about it. Its okay though. Im sure over the next 15 years he will have another bad game. So will guys like Doughty and Ekblad.

Also, someone on the tweeter pointed out last night (i believe Jsaq) that Doughty was a -17 his rookie season. They all need to learn at some point....

I agree, but if you are gonna make a play on the rush at the blue line, the pass has to be there. Otherwise you get what happened last night.

He had a rough game. There is no two ways about it. Its okay though. Im sure over the next 15 years he will have another bad game. So will guys like Doughty and Ekblad.

Also, someone on the tweeter pointed out last night (i believe Jsaq) that Doughty was a -17 his rookie season. They all need to learn at some point....
- jak521

He was -17 but the Kings were also one of the worst teams in hockey at that point.

I do agree though...the pass has to be there