Or we could just win a cup.

Seriously though last year everyone was crying that our D would take years to turn around. One summer later no one is talking D .

Now our goal is the forwards. Two years of drafting and wheeling and Dealing.

You don't have to tear it down and rebuild as a few teams have tried.
- VANTEL

Sbisa still seems to be a topic of interest. People are excited to see what Hutton can do but I think the D still has some glaring holes.

A losing culture does not help with development. Kids need to learn to win, and having leaders that have won will help with developing younger players.

lets see if Bo is in fact actually on 4th line though.....may have just been a practice thing working on something specific.
Seems most are assuming he got demoted. Lets actually start a game 1st

A losing culture does not help with development. Kids need to learn to win, and having leaders that have won will help with developing younger players.
- Kaynine

absolutely 100%

Or we could just win a cup.

Seriously though last year everyone was crying that our D would take years to turn around. One summer later no one is talking D .

Now our goal is the forwards. Two years of drafting and wheeling and Dealing.

You don't have to tear it down and rebuild as a few teams have tried.
- VANTEL

With the tear down, how many teams can go through the same process, at the same time and succeed? and could this franchise handle Leaf like results for a stretch?

Anyway, I'm okay with the direction. Not sure what will happen once the Sedins retire, maybe miss the playoffs big and get a good pick? maybe a couple years in a row and get some good players? maybe not?

whatever happens, it is bound to be interesting with all the second guessing, and is better than any soap opera or reality show.

Or we could just win a cup.

Seriously though last year everyone was crying that our D would take years to turn around. One summer later no one is talking D .

Now our goal is the forwards. Two years of drafting and wheeling and Dealing.

You don't have to tear it down and rebuild as a few teams have tried.
- VANTEL

They'll never win a Cup unless they draft extremely well. IMO they should just let the slide happen and focus on drafting. The wheeling and dealing by Benning has done nothing for the club, they're less competitive now than they were two years ago, BUT, there's an actual prospect group now.

Sbisa still seems to be a topic of interest. People are excited to see what Hutton can do but I think the D still has some glaring holes.
- bloatedmosquito

Definitely . I would much rather Pedan here instead of Sbisa .

With the tear down, how many teams can go through the same process, at the same time and succeed? and could this franchise handle Leaf like results for a stretch?

Anyway, I'm okay with the direction. Not sure what will happen once the Sedins retire, maybe miss the playoffs big and get a good pick? maybe a couple years in a row and get some good players? maybe not?

whatever happens, it is bound to be interesting with all the second guessing, and is better than any soap opera or reality show.
- hillbillydeluxe

This.

They'll never win a Cup unless they draft extremely well. IMO they should just let the slide happen and focus on drafting. The wheeling and dealing by Benning has done nothing for the club, they're less competitive now than they were two years ago, BUT, there's an actual prospect group now.
- LeftCoaster

They'll never win a Cup unless they draft extremely well. IMO they should just let the slide happen and focus on drafting. The wheeling and dealing by Benning has done nothing for the club, they're less competitive now than they were two years ago, BUT, there's an actual prospect group now.
- LeftCoaster

But you po not need to draft in the top 5 to find talent. Brock Beoser was drafted 23 overall.

A bit off Topic and Not Canucks related, BUT
I was talking to a friend the other day and he said the reason that the Oilers traded Taylor Hall was because Taylor Hall wanted to be a leader in the locker room but the Oilers didn't want that, they want the entire team to be about Connor McDavid. Also said that some of the other young oiler players aren't happy with that.

A bit off Topic and Not Canucks related, BUT
I was talking to a friend the other day and he said the reason that the Oilers traded Taylor Hall was because Taylor Hall wanted to be a leader in the locker room but the Oilers didn't want that, they want the entire team to be about Connor McDavid. Also said that some of the other young oiler players aren't happy with that.
- manvanfan

When they start winning because of McDavid they'll soon buy-in.

A bit off Topic and Not Canucks related, BUT
I was talking to a friend the other day and he said the reason that the Oilers traded Taylor Hall was because Taylor Hall wanted to be a leader in the locker room but the Oilers didn't want that, they want the entire team to be about Connor McDavid. Also said that some of the other young oiler players aren't happy with that.
- manvanfan

Whoever said money can't buy happiness is full of sh1t.

Trade those unhappy players and buy some new happy players , problem solved

But you po not need to draft in the top 5 to find talent. Brock Beoser was drafted 23 overall.
- Kaynine

Yup I agree, you can find talent anywhere in the first three rounds, typically the higher you draft the more likely you are to have success though. That said, I love Virtanen's game but I'd rather they drafted Dylan Larkin who slipped all the way to 15th I think?

Put it in the category of it can't get worse.

I am talking top four D . I really don't like the bottom two
- VANTEL

Sbisa is really a joker in the deck. Could play well enough or just toil back there, but I think if JB had a vision for Sbisa, it would be the reliable part of the third pairing, partnering with less established dmen who rotate in and out of the lineup.

Until Sbisa is gone, I can't see us really having much faith in that third pairing unless Sbisa all of a sudden becomes more reliable or one of Larsen, Tryamkin, Stecher or Biega step up and show they are capable full time NHLers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOPXvtZvb7g

When they start winning because of McDavid they'll soon buy-in.
- LeftCoaster

If they start winning. Beating Calgary twice I don't think counts.

Yup I agree, you can find talent anywhere in the first three rounds, typically the higher you draft the more likely you are to have success though. That said, I love Virtanen's game but I'd rather they drafted Dylan Larkin who slipped all the way to 15th I think?
- LeftCoaster

Agreed.

JV needs polishing though.

A losing culture does not help with development. Kids need to learn to win, and having leaders that have won will help with developing younger players.
- Kaynine

I don't buy this. Look at the last 20 years and see what adding a true young superstar to a loser roster can do for that franchise. One young superstar can change the culture of a club instantly. Stamkos, JT, Toews, etc. Now we have McDavid and Matthews.

If the canucks are lucky and get a 1st overall and are lucky again by winning the lottery when a superstar is available, it could change everything. Brand new culture. Brand new team focus.

It's worth a shot. This season is a perfect example.

Personally I wouldn't move the twins, but I'd let their current deals run out and not re-sign them. If I was runnng the team I wouldn't be signing any free agents, like Eriksson, or making any other moves which requires using a current asset or draft pick. I'd let the team slide while trying to acquire more picks if I could and just draft your way out of purgatory.
- LeftCoaster

I don't think that would satisfy the "traditional rebuildist"

I think you still need to try and put your best foot forward to ice a competitive NHL roster and signing FA doesn't cost you anything except real money, as long as those players aren't standing in the way of actual prospects who are ready for the show. Eriksson isn't in anyone's way right now. Maybe the term is too long, but that sounds like a tomorrow problem.

Sbisa is really a joker in the deck. Could play well enough or just toil back there, but I think if JB had a vision for Sbisa, it would be the reliable part of the third pairing, partnering with less established dmen who rotate in and out of the lineup.

Until Sbisa is gone, I can't see us really having much faith in that third pairing unless Sbisa all of a sudden becomes more reliable or one of Larsen, Tryamkin, Stecher or Biega step up and show they are capable full time NHLers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOPXvtZvb7g
- hillbillydeluxe

Tryamkin is like Sergachev, he likes to play his off side.

I don't think that would satisfy the "traditional rebuildist"

I think you still need to try and put your best foot forward to ice a competitive NHL roster and signing FA doesn't cost you anything except real money, as long as those players aren't standing in the way of actual prospects who are ready for the show. Eriksson isn't in anyone's way right now. Maybe the term is too long, but that sounds like a tomorrow problem.
- 1970vintage

Spot on.

If they start winning. Beating Calgary twice I don't think counts.
- manvanfan

fair enough, I've never felt they were on their way until now. They have a nice top six now, a mix of youth, talent, size and skill. The defense is coming along too, for the first time in a long time I see them taking a step forward this year.

Sbisa is really a joker in the deck. Could play well enough or just toil back there, but I think if JB had a vision for Sbisa, it would be the reliable part of the third pairing, partnering with less established dmen who rotate in and out of the lineup.

Until Sbisa is gone, I can't see us really having much faith in that third pairing unless Sbisa all of a sudden becomes more reliable or one of Larsen, Tryamkin, Stecher or Biega step up and show they are capable full time NHLers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOPXvtZvb7g
- hillbillydeluxe

I don't want to go on about LS but even when he is at his best he is still Luca Sbisa. It is like putting lipstick on a pig.

You aren't going to win championships with him in your top 6

Tryamkin is like Sergachev, he likes to play his off side.
- manvanfan

I guess Sbisa is the only true left side dman available for the third pairing if Tryamkin isn't willing to play there and Pedan is in Utica.


I'd hope Tryamkin would be willing to play the left side if it meant playing and not sitting in the press box.

all of a sudden we are loaded up on the right side.

Or we could just win a cup.

Seriously though last year everyone was crying that our D would take years to turn around. One summer later no one is talking D .

Now our goal is the forwards. Two years of drafting and wheeling and Dealing.

You don't have to tear it down and rebuild as a few teams have tried.
- VANTEL

Not sure when that became the model or the only model to build with...