He hates the canucks though, he literally froths at the mouth for them.
- rune_74

To be fair, everyone hates the Canucks

To be fair, everyone hates the Canucks
- Tumbleweed

Yep, we have to suck for awhile to get people to like us again Though that hasn't happened for the leafs

Ahhh using corsi stats from a single game....fantastic

Well, I'm a Leafs fan first, then just a general fan of hockey, but Edmonton was always my second favorite team because of Gretzky, and then when I got this job it didn't take long of watching every game to start to actually care about the Coyotes.

It's like my kids. Obviously the girl is my favorite, but the other two are OK, y'know?
- James_Tanner

Great great answer lol. Serious question for you now Tanner. Isn't it possible to use a coaches challenge on a penalty that leads to a penalty shot!??

Buddy, I think you're stuck in 2000 where you could win a Cup by scoring 1 lucky goal and playing trap the rest of the game. If you look at the last 10 Stanley Cup winners, each one was in the top 5 in possession and shot attempts %. The only negative possession team was the 09 Pens. Clearly an outlier. Bottom line, if you wanna be successful in the NHL these days, you need to control possession and shot attempts. Gardiner was on the ice for 27 scoring chances for, only 12 against. Same with Marincin, 24 for, 16 against. Clearly the Sens were lucky with their shots and the goalie gave up some bad goals. Giving up so few chances like that and having such a wide margin means your a good dman.
- SpeedBlue91

Amen

both goalies gave up softies....because a d is on the ice doesn't mean he's the reason for scoring chance ( 27 lol ) but when his miscues end up in the back of our net...it means a lot as I'm sure you know.

But thanks for the tips...

Great great answer lol. Serious question for you now Tanner. Isn't it possible to use a coaches challenge on a penalty that leads to a penalty shot!??
- Flamin_Irishmin

You'd have to google it, but I don't think so.

Ahhh using corsi stats from a single game....fantastic
- YuenglingJagr

Nothing wrong with that at all. I get that sample sizes are important, but that's true for everything.

If you were a 40 % CF and scored a goal, I'd rather have the guy who didn't score but had over 50% because long term, that's more likely to help you.

"I feel like after that game, the Leafs are a lock for the Playoffs." - James Tanner

Well, if that just isn't the kiss of death.

"I feel like after that game, the Leafs are a lock for the Playoffs." - James Tanner

Well, if that just isn't the kiss of death.
- BruHAWK

Hey that's just how I felt. I also once felt that the Chilli Peppers were a good band, so you know, take it for what it's worth......which is basically nothing.

Hey that's just how I felt. I also once felt that the Chilli Peppers were a good band, so you know, take it for what it's worth......which is basically nothing.
- James_Tanner

Can I get an Amen!

Hey that's just how I felt. I also once felt that the Chilli Peppers were a good band, so you know, take it for what it's worth......which is basically nothing.
- James_Tanner

You have to understand, I am a Leafs fan and you just literally ruined my season. Thanks, thanks a lot.

Great great answer lol. Serious question for you now Tanner. Isn't it possible to use a coaches challenge on a penalty that leads to a penalty shot!??
- Flamin_Irishmin

No, and that was a brutal play....McDavid reaches into the gloves and causes turnover/breakaway for him and then gets the same call for penalty shot

Almost like the judges for figure skating bad.

Eh. Not that surprising really. Everyone knew that if Nylander and Marner were ready by this year then you'd have talent up and down the roster. Issue is that these kids are still kids and are still developing their game. While the Leafs have approached the rebuild correctly and hit a home run with Matthews, its important to temper expectations. Nylander and Marner, hell even Auston Matthews, will have their growing pains and it may lead to losses. Experience is a completely overrated attribute, but these guys aren't finished products yet.

Depth looks good, future looks bright, but I wouldn't count on this being the Leafs year already.
- Victoro311

You're a surprisingly reasonable person for a poster on hockeybuzz.

It was an exciting game to see what the kids (especially Matthews) could do, but yeah. We still lost and there will indeed be growing pains. I expect another bottom 5 finish this season and that's ok.

Nothing wrong with that at all. I get that sample sizes are important, but that's true for everything.

If you were a 40 % CF and scored a goal, I'd rather have the guy who didn't score but had over 50% because long term, that's more likely to help you.
- James_Tanner

Ignoring the opponent (which I think factored into the result)

Using the example you have laid out, the guy who scored a goal with a 40% CF could go out an have 80% CF. The guy who didn't score might go on to never score and get out shot each game of the season. It means nothing.

Example of your example...
Morgan Rielly - 1 Point +2 -13.4% Rel
Nikita Zaitsev - 0 Points -1 3.4% Rel

Amen

both goalies gave up softies....because a d is on the ice doesn't mean he's the reason for scoring chance ( 27 lol ) but when his miscues end up in the back of our net...it means a lot as I'm sure you know.

But thanks for the tips...

- Garnie

Maybe Gardiner wasn't responsible for all 27 shot attempts, but then you also can't say he was responsible for all 12 shot attempts against. And regardless, only 12 shot ATTEMPTS against him in a whole game is astronomically low. It's simple math really; the more shot attempts you limit, the less chance the opponent has to get a goal. Again, lucky shooting by the Sens and bad goaltending by the Leafs. Gardiner was very good, he won't be that unlucky on most nights. Andersen just needs to make some saves.

Auston Matthews will be one of the game's greats and could potentially be the best American born player if he continues to grow up from his alread incredibly high floor. No idea what his cieling is. He has the smarts, he has the skill, and he has the build. That combination is so very rare. He may be closer to a Crosby/McDavid level talent than people originally thought.

As far as the Leafs being a contender, you guys played a hell of a game last night but let's pump the breaks. It was Ottowa. They blow. Let's see how they do against top tier teams first. But yeah, if you guys dictate possession like you did last night you'll have a good shot at the playoffs in a pretty weak Atlantic devision that consists of the Lightning, the Panthers, and then everyone else.
- Victoro311

No, it wasn't.

If you actuallly watched the game you would know that Toronto's defensive zone coverage was horrible. If you just looked at stats you would think they played well. It's going to be a long season in Toronto.

Yep, we have to suck for awhile to get people to like us again Though that hasn't happened for the leafs
- rune_74

I blame the media for my hate of the leafs. If Toronto wasn't hailed as the team that represents all of Canada i would like them.

Canadian sports media is so poop in that aspect.

You reek of fear and jealousy.

I look forward to watching Matthews be a Habs killer for years to come.
- As_I_See_It

Cool story.
Did you read my next post explain why I posted regarding Brunstrom?

No, it wasn't.
- walshyleafsfan

I care more about telling than spelling, TBH.

Maybe Gardiner wasn't responsible for all 27 shot attempts, but then you also can't say he was responsible for all 12 shot attempts against. And regardless, only 12 shot ATTEMPTS against him in a whole game is astronomically low. It's simple math really; the more shot attempts you limit, the less chance the opponent has to get a goal. Again, lucky shooting by the Sens and bad goaltending by the Leafs. Gardiner was very good, he won't be that unlucky on most nights. Andersen just needs to make some saves.
- SpeedBlue91

Believe me, you're explaining this to the wrong guy. He has never once acknowledged that someone else had a good point or that his anti-stats ridiculousness is worth re-thinking.

Cool story.
Did you read my next post explain why I posted regarding Brunstrom?
- mlindsay

No, I stopped reading your drivel after your first post. The mere fact that you're trying to trivialize Matthews historic accomplishment by comparing him to Fabian (frank)ing Brunnstrom is laughable.

The two players are NOWHERE near each other in terms of skill, size, hockey IQ, position and potential, and down the list...

No, I stopped reading your drivel after your first post. The mere fact that you're trying to trivialize Matthews historic accomplishment by comparing him to Fabian (frank)ing Brunnstrom is laughable.

The two players are NOWHERE near each other in terms of skill, size, hockey IQ, position and potential, and down the list...
- As_I_See_It

You are going to be unbearable this year.

Well, I'm a Leafs fan first, then just a general fan of hockey, but Edmonton was always my second favorite team because of Gretzky, and then when I got this job it didn't take long of watching every game to start to actually care about the Coyotes.

It's like my kids. Obviously the girl is my favorite, but the other two are OK, y'know?
- James_Tanner

WOW!! Somebody slept with you 3 times??? ON PURPOSE???? Did she/he get in the way of your laptop??

Yeah, but ignore the goals because they are random and a couple of them shoulda probably been saved......he put up a 75% possession rating, six shot attempts and looked absolutely dominant.

Who cares about the goals, the fact that he has those moves, that confidence etc etc......I have no problem saying he'll be the second best player in the NHL by next season at some point.
- James_Tanner

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