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Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Oct 8 @ 7:31 PM ET
I would say the money suggest he had other offers.
- Larsson_fan


Yeah, it could, but when dmen are always sought after commodity in the off-season, being a UFA up until the last week before the season starts isn't a good sign.

Also, just because one team is willing to pay that money doesn't mean you should.
Larsson_fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.08.2016

Oct 8 @ 7:31 PM ET
Does Nurse need to Protected in the expansion draft?
Larsson_fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.08.2016

Oct 8 @ 7:33 PM ET
Yeah, it could, but when dmen are always sought after commodity in the off-season, being a UFA up until the last week before the season starts isn't a good sign
- Rinosaur



No but its a sign he wanted too much money more than anything. If he had zero offers he would have signed for less. His 3.1 is a reflection of the other offers received. Probably somewhere around 2.7, I would guess.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Oct 8 @ 7:34 PM ET
No but its a sign he wanted too much money more than anything. If he had zero offers he would have signed for less. His 3.1 is a reflection of the other offers received. Probably somewhere around 2.7, I would guess.
- Larsson_fan


After acquiring what you needed in Larsson, Russel is a step backwards.
Larsson_fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.08.2016

Oct 8 @ 7:36 PM ET
After acquiring what you needed in Larsson, Russel is a step backwards.
- Rinosaur


Do the Oilers have 6 defenders that a currently superior? I count 4.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Oct 8 @ 7:37 PM ET
Step in the wrong direction after acquiring Larsson.

Wayyy too much money for a dman nobody got else wanted.

- Rinosaur



You haven't a clue, there's rumours a few teams were trying for him.
Larsson_fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.08.2016

Oct 8 @ 7:39 PM ET
You haven't a clue, there's rumours a few teams were trying for him.
- Garnie


I'm no expert, but I am gonna guess this guy hates the Oilers and is simply just trolling.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Oct 8 @ 7:49 PM ET
I'm no expert, but I am gonna guess this guy hates the Oilers and is simply just trolling.
- Larsson_fan


Using Corsi to evaluate players is hilarious.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Oct 8 @ 7:59 PM ET
Using Corsi to evaluate players is hilarious.
- Garnie


don't tell Ryan Wilson that
Trevor_Neufeld
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 02.11.2007

Oct 8 @ 8:01 PM ET
I'm no expert, but I am gonna guess this guy hates the Oilers and is simply just trolling.
- Larsson_fan


Your guesses are as bad as that giant post you laid last page. Truly "brilliant" drafting McDavid. How did Chia possibly come up with such an ingenious plan? 10/10

Drafting Pulju after the only Finnish GM in the NHL wants to pass on him? 10/10

Larsson_fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.08.2016

Oct 8 @ 8:12 PM ET
Your guesses are as bad as that giant post you laid last page. Truly "brilliant" drafting McDavid. How did Chia possibly come up with such an ingenious plan? 10/10

Drafting Pulju after the only Finnish GM in the NHL wants to pass on him? 10/10


- fry

Pretty sure that Finnish GM recognized the lack of 1st line talent at Center on his club and drafted for position but I'm sure you know better.
EdmHockeyMan
Referee
Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

Oct 8 @ 8:26 PM ET
NOTE: THIS IS SOLELY BASED ON AN OPTIMISTIC VIEW. SO NO NEED TO ACT LIKE AN ASS!



So the best case scenario that I see in this trade is that we might be getting a potential 3rd liner that is a two-way power forward (6'2'' as well and uses his size advantage), has leadership qualities, good overall offensive ability (point per game in the WHL), and whose handedness is right. The only bad thing is that he needs to improve on his skating. All along with a possible 2nd rounder.

So you can possibly see this as a 3rd liner + 2nd if all goes well on our own end. Not bad at all if all goes well. But the long term outlook of this trade might not begin to reveal itself until we hit Y3+.

As for the ECHL prospect stereotype, just remember that teams do have damn good prospects at that level of hockey as well. STL is stacked in prospects, so that is probably the reason as to why this guy is in the ECHL.

I for one think that he will be sent to the AHL very shorty after the trade is announced officially (Chia makes the formal statement). He will probably see 1-2 years of AHL action before he even laces up for an NHL game.
Trevor_Neufeld
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 02.11.2007

Oct 8 @ 8:27 PM ET
Pretty sure that Finnish GM recognized the lack of 1st line talent at Center on his club and drafted for position but I'm sure you know better.
- Larsson_fan


It's standard procedure to go BPA with the higher end of the first round. And Kek went out and said they thought Dubois was the better player. So yes I do.
Larsson_fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.08.2016

Oct 8 @ 8:33 PM ET


So the best case scenario that I see in this trade is that we might be getting a potential 3rd liner that is a two-way power forward (6'2'' as well and uses his size advantage), has leadership qualities, good overall offensive ability (point per game in the WHL), and whose handedness is right. The only bad thing is that he needs to improve on his skating. All along with a possible 2nd rounder.

So you can possibly see this as a 3rd liner + 2nd if all goes well on our own end. Not bad at all if all goes well. But the long term outlook of this trade might not begin to reveal itself until we hit Y3+.

As for the ECHL prospect stereotype, just remember that teams do have damn good prospects at that level of hockey as well. STL is stacked in prospects, so that is probably the reason as to why this guy is in the ECHL.

I for one think that he will be sent to the AHL very shorty after the trade is announced officially (Chia makes the formal statement). He will probably see 1-2 years of AHL action before he even laces up for an NHL game.

- EdmHockeyMan


Not sure if you're aware or not, but this was the least important player on the 50 contract list to the Blues system. Don't get too excited, this was the essence of a throw in.
EdmHockeyMan
Referee
Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

Oct 8 @ 8:33 PM ET
Hes not as bad as his cf% numbers show, however there is no sugar coating it either. He is a 5th Dman so play and treat him like one. If a team starts to play him with top 4 minutes and deploy him in defensive zone starts...you are asking for trouble
- DDM-Coga


Didn't we have that in Schultz? Wasn't Schultz younger, a RHD, and 1m cheaper...?

I'd rather have seen Chia sign Gryba and Versteeg from the Yak money instead of giving it all out to Russell.

Not to mention Russell is yet another LHD.



Flamin_Irishmin
Calgary Flames
Location: Victoria B.C., BC
Joined: 09.15.2015

Oct 8 @ 8:36 PM ET
You needn't bother with him. His posts are and always have been garbage that lack any semblance of logical backing. Please do as we all should've long ago and ignore him.
- MaximumBone

That's what we do with you anyways...
Larsson_fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.08.2016

Oct 8 @ 8:36 PM ET
It's standard procedure to go BPA with the higher end of the first round. And Kek went out and said they thought Dubois was the better player. So yes I do.
- fry

You would expect him to say something else? Ok. It almost sounds As tho JP has some warts nobody is talking about. I suppose you think that Daniel Tkaczuk or whomever you guys drafted is the better player too, don't ya?
EdmHockeyMan
Referee
Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

Oct 8 @ 8:38 PM ET
Not sure if you're aware or not, but this was the least important player on the 50 contract list to the Blues system. Don't get too excited, this was the essence of a throw in.
- Larsson_fan


All I'm saying is that he could prove to be a good depth player.

I'm not calling him a top 6 or a top 9 forward. But if he pans out, he would be a beneficial depth forward, especially when we will inevitably be against the cap in a few years.

All in all, the trade isn't that bad because if all goes well on our own end, we might be getting a 2nd rounder and possibly a good 3rd or 4th line center who is right handed, a two-way power forward, and has leadership attributes. Not bad.

Larsson_fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.08.2016

Oct 8 @ 8:40 PM ET
Didn't we have that in Schultz? Wasn't Schultz younger, a RHD, and 1m cheaper...?

I'd rather have seen Chia sign Gryba and Versteeg from the Yak money instead of giving it all out to Russell.

Not to mention Russell is yet another LHD.

- EdmHockeyMan


I thought Schultz made 3.7?

Too bad we didn't address our top RD sooner.....Justin Schultz would finally fit in nicely here with a bit of depth around him and we wouldn't need Russel.

Larsson Klefbom
Fayne Sekeras
Schultz Davidson
Flamin_Irishmin
Calgary Flames
Location: Victoria B.C., BC
Joined: 09.15.2015

Oct 8 @ 8:40 PM ET
Step in the wrong direction after acquiring Larsson.

Wayyy too much money for a dman nobody got else wanted.

- Rinosaur

Would you say that if Philly picked him up?!!
EdmHockeyMan
Referee
Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

Oct 8 @ 8:42 PM ET
I thought Schultz made 3.7?

Too bad we didn't address our top RD sooner.....Justin Schultz would finally fit in nicely here with a bit of depth around him and we wouldn't need Russel.

Larsson Klefbom
Fayne Sekeras
Schultz Davidson

- Larsson_fan


It was actually 3.4, but nonetheless, my point still stands. Schultz>Russell.
Larsson_fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.08.2016

Oct 8 @ 8:42 PM ET
All I'm saying is that he could prove to be a good depth player.

I'm not calling him a top 6 or a top 9 forward. But if he pans out, he would be a beneficial depth forward, especially when we will inevitably be against the cap in a few years.

All in all, the trade isn't that bad because if all goes well on our own end, we might be getting a 2nd rounder and possibly a good 3rd or 4th line center who is right handed, a two-way power forward, and has leadership attributes. Not bad.

- EdmHockeyMan


I think expecting him to see the inside of the new arena is extremely optimistic . This kid does not have NHL potential from what the St.Louis fans are saying.you might be grasping at straws to help yourself to come to grips with the trade.

Yak was awful. Now he is gone. Oh well.
Trevor_Neufeld
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 02.11.2007

Oct 8 @ 8:43 PM ET
You would expect him to say something else? Ok. It almost sounds As tho JP has some warts nobody is talking about. I suppose you think that Daniel Tkaczuk or whomever you guys drafted is the better player too, don't ya?
- Larsson_fan


I would definitely agree that there's a reason Pulju got passed on. Maybe it's just that he was semi-injured and it affected his late season/post-season. Time will tell!

Reveen.
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BC
Joined: 09.05.2016

Oct 8 @ 8:43 PM ET

- laughs2907

Larsson_fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.08.2016

Oct 8 @ 8:44 PM ET
It was actually 3.4, but nonetheless, my point still stands. Schultz>Russell.
- EdmHockeyMan



Whoa, do you actually believe Schultz is a better hockey player than Russel? Comparable, yes, but better?
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