- laughs2907

- DDM-Coga

The biggest problem I have with advanced metrics is they don't provide a why and too many people won't ask it and they take the number at face value.

Does Kris Russel allow a lot of shots against for a reason? Is it possible he does it on purpose? Does he allow a weaker shot against so he can take away the shot lane? Is he just bad? Corsi won't really tell us that.

The biggest problem I have with advanced metrics is they don't provide a why and too many people won't ask it and they take the number at face value.

Does Kris Russel allow a lot of shots against for a reason? Is it possible he does it on purpose? Does he allow a weaker shot against so he can take away the shot lane? Is he just bad? Corsi won't really tell us that.
- -Dangles13-

Most of those stats are qualitative. And people are using them in a quantative fashion.

Pretty frustrating to see them be thought of as a "more accurate" group of statistics by people that don't understand that concept.

The biggest problem I have with advanced metrics is they don't provide a why and too many people won't ask it and they take the number at face value.

Does Kris Russel allow a lot of shots against for a reason? Is it possible he does it on purpose? Does he allow a weaker shot against so he can take away the shot lane? Is he just bad? Corsi won't really tell us that.
- -Dangles13-

its bc he barely has the puck, or control of the puck, in the defensive end and plays too many minutes is the simple answer.

Based on his ice time, and time of possession, he doesnt have the puck enough to make meaningfully impacts in terms of corsi.

maybe with better deployment and usage he could look better in the fancy stats world, but his style of play isnt one that moves the puck efficiently out of the zone, he chips the puck, which leads to neutral zone turn overs vs skating it out or making clean break out passes.

Why is everyone being a baby today? Settle down, children.
- Matt_Henderson

Sad that yaks gone....

- DDM-Coga

its bc he barely has the puck, or control of the puck, in the defensive end and plays too many minutes is the simple answer.

Based on his ice time, and time of possession, he doesnt have the puck enough to make meaningfully impacts in terms of corsi.

maybe with better deployment and usage he could look better in the fancy stats world, but his style of play isnt one that moves the puck efficiently out of the zone, he chips the puck, which leads to neutral zone turn overs vs skating it out or making clean break out passes.
- DDM-Coga

Do you like corsi numbers?

Do you like corsi numbers?
- laughs2907

He loves corsi sandwiches.

In my opinion your stats dont mean poop and Russell is a solid nhl d man. However you would have to value actual abilities over stats to realize this. Fancy stats make hockey and hockey talk boring. If trump said he would put u all outside his wall id vote for him.

He loves corsi sandwiches.
- Mr.Bobby

Because if he likes the corsi numbers, I got something nice and juicy for him...

BAM!!! http://www.chatsports.com...mbers-in-the-nhl-12511981

Do you like corsi numbers?
- laughs2907

I love to wet my beak with some corsi

Because if he likes the corsi numbers, I got something nice and juicy for him...

BAM!!! http://www.chatsports.com...mbers-in-the-nhl-12511981
- laughs2907

oh PPP, those guys are some of the worst people writing on the interweb. So delusional with their Hot Takes

oh PPP, those guys are some of the worst people writing on the interweb. So delusional with their Hot Takes
- DDM-Coga

HEY!!!

HEY!!!!

HEY!!!!!!

HEY HEY HEY!!!!!!!!

I am one to admit when I am wrong. If you told me at the end of the year that Chiarelli could find a way to put together a team worse than any they have had during the rebuild I would have laughed in your face. Apparently the recipe was quite simple. Trade your top player, after a World Championship gold which argumentatively made his value higher than it has ever been to date, for a prospect. Not just that but turning down better defensemen to make this deal happen and insist NJ doesn't throw anything else into the deal (surprised he didn't throw RNH in as well). Then he parts with the second of the teams first overall picks for a conditional third round pick. Yes, if Oilers are lucky they could get a late second round meaning the player they pick has less than a 20% chance of ever playing in the NHL.

The they don't do anything to bolster the blue line other than add what can only be considered a third pairing dman in Russell, who quite frankly I have money on him tanking in a big way.

He did this in what I believe was the deepest defensive market in at least a decade. UFAs, RFAs and shopped defenders... there has never been this much talent on the market, maybe ever. Brodin, Dumba, Yandle, Hamhuis, Campbell, Goligoski, Demers, Vatenen, Lindholm, Fowler, Jones, Barrie, Shatttenkirk... this is just a small sample of players that were reportedly available to the Oilers. I left guys like Hamonic out but I do believe the Islanders had a price for him.

Put the Larsson trade aside. Oilers can only protect 3 defenders and they have Sekeras on a NMC (ridiculous signing but he was one of the only defenders available last summer), Klef and Larsson. However if Sekeras were to agree to waive his NMC to go to Vegas, the Oilers don't have to protect him. Vegas has to pick 1 player from Edmonton, no more, no less. With teams like the Blues, Nashville, Chicago, SJ, Ana... The blues can only pick 7 defenders, there is no chance they take Sekeras at 5.5 million. You can argue Vegas has a raised floor this year but they do not need to take an over priced defender from the Oil. Small chance they take Nurse but most likely they will take a character player like Pouliot, Maroon or some other forward to fill out there depth. I am fairly confident the Oilers don't have a blue line that is going to be a target. With the defenders out there I would actually be surprised if they took Larsson or Klef to be honest. There are 7 other teams that have more than 3 defenders that are better for Vegas.

So no reason to not go wild an sign a defender other than Russell. Oilers could have signed Hambuis and demers, keep Hall and been set not needing Lucic. Seems obvious. Florida is a great example. They wanted the best, they traded for Yandles rights and inked him quickly. Oilers should have done the same with ANY player.

I am one to admit when I am wrong. If you told me at the end of the year that Chiarelli could find a way to put together a team worse than any they have had during the rebuild I would have laughed in your face. I touch children. Apparently the recipe was quite simple. Trade your top player, after a World Championship gold which argumentatively made his value higher than it has ever been to date, for a prospect. Not just that but turning down better defensemen to make this deal happen and insist NJ doesn't throw anything else into the deal (surprised he didn't throw RNH in as well). Then he parts with the second of the teams first overall picks for a conditional third round pick. Yes, if Oilers are lucky they could get a late second round meaning the player they pick has less than a 20% chance of ever playing in the NHL.

The they don't do anything to bolster the blue line other than add what can only be considered a third pairing dman in Russell, who quite frankly I have money on him tanking in a big way.

He did this in what I believe was the deepest defensive market in at least a decade. UFAs, RFAs and shopped defenders... there has never been this much talent on the market, maybe ever. Brodin, Dumba, Yandle, Hamhuis, Campbell, Goligoski, Demers, Vatenen, Lindholm, Fowler, Jones, Barrie, Shatttenkirk... this is just a small sample of players that were reportedly available to the Oilers. I left guys like Hamonic out but I do believe the Islanders had a price for him.

Put the Larsson trade aside. Oilers can only protect 3 defenders and they have Sekeras on a NMC (ridiculous signing but he was one of the only defenders available last summer), Klef and Larsson. However if Sekeras were to agree to waive his NMC to go to Vegas, the Oilers don't have to protect him. Vegas has to pick 1 player from Edmonton, no more, no less. With teams like the Blues, Nashville, Chicago, SJ, Ana... The blues can only pick 7 defenders, there is no chance they take Sekeras at 5.5 million. You can argue Vegas has a raised floor this year but they do not need to take an over priced defender from the Oil. Small chance they take Nurse but most likely they will take a character player like Pouliot, Maroon or some other forward to fill out there depth. I am fairly confident the Oilers don't have a blue line that is going to be a target. With the defenders out there I would actually be surprised if they took Larsson or Klef to be honest. There are 7 other teams that have more than 3 defenders that are better for Vegas.

So no reason to not go wild an sign a defender other than Russell. Oilers could have signed Hambuis and demers, keep Hall and been set not needing Lucic. Seems obvious. Florida is a great example. They wanted the best, they traded for Yandles rights and inked him quickly. Oilers should have done the same with ANY player.
- Hall Fan

I am one to admit when I am wrong. If you told me at the end of the year that Chiarelli could find a way to put together a team worse than any they have had during the rebuild I would have laughed in your face. Apparently the recipe was quite simple. Trade your top player, after a World Championship gold which argumentatively made his value higher than it has ever been to date, for a prospect. Not just that but turning down better defensemen to make this deal happen and insist NJ doesn't throw anything else into the deal (surprised he didn't throw RNH in as well). Then he parts with the second of the teams first overall picks for a conditional third round pick. Yes, if Oilers are lucky they could get a late second round meaning the player they pick has less than a 20% chance of ever playing in the NHL.

The they don't do anything to bolster the blue line other than add what can only be considered a third pairing dman in Russell, who quite frankly I have money on him tanking in a big way.

He did this in what I believe was the deepest defensive market in at least a decade. UFAs, RFAs and shopped defenders... there has never been this much talent on the market, maybe ever. Brodin, Dumba, Yandle, Hamhuis, Campbell, Goligoski, Demers, Vatenen, Lindholm, Fowler, Jones, Barrie, Shatttenkirk... this is just a small sample of players that were reportedly available to the Oilers. I left guys like Hamonic out but I do believe the Islanders had a price for him.

Put the Larsson trade aside. Oilers can only protect 3 defenders and they have Sekeras on a NMC (ridiculous signing but he was one of the only defenders available last summer), Klef and Larsson. However if Sekeras were to agree to waive his NMC to go to Vegas, the Oilers don't have to protect him. Vegas has to pick 1 player from Edmonton, no more, no less. With teams like the Blues, Nashville, Chicago, SJ, Ana... The blues can only pick 7 defenders, there is no chance they take Sekeras at 5.5 million. You can argue Vegas has a raised floor this year but they do not need to take an over priced defender from the Oil. Small chance they take Nurse but most likely they will take a character player like Pouliot, Maroon or some other forward to fill out there depth. I am fairly confident the Oilers don't have a blue line that is going to be a target. With the defenders out there I would actually be surprised if they took Larsson or Klef to be honest. There are 7 other teams that have more than 3 defenders that are better for Vegas.

So no reason to not go wild an sign a defender other than Russell. Oilers could have signed Hambuis and demers, keep Hall and been set not needing Lucic. Seems obvious. Florida is a great example. They wanted the best, they traded for Yandles rights and inked him quickly. Oilers should have done the same with ANY player.
- Hall Fan

Fair to say the Oilers swing below 20% on 2nd round picks? That stat is a league average..

And it will be a 2018 2nd round pick if the condition is met.

So.. Let's ballpark it at a 10% chance at an NHL player by around 2022.

Get'r done, Chia.

That Hall trade will look even worse when Russell pushes Larsson down a pairing.

- Mr.Bobby

I am one to admit when I am wrong. If you told me at the end of the year that Chiarelli could find a way to put together a team worse than any they have had during the rebuild I would have laughed in your face. Apparently the recipe was quite simple. Trade your top player, after a World Championship gold which argumentatively made his value higher than it has ever been to date, for a prospect. Not just that but turning down better defensemen to make this deal happen and insist NJ doesn't throw anything else into the deal (surprised he didn't throw RNH in as well). Then he parts with the second of the teams first overall picks for a conditional third round pick. Yes, if Oilers are lucky they could get a late second round meaning the player they pick has less than a 20% chance of ever playing in the NHL.

The they don't do anything to bolster the blue line other than add what can only be considered a third pairing dman in Russell, who quite frankly I have money on him tanking in a big way.

He did this in what I believe was the deepest defensive market in at least a decade. UFAs, RFAs and shopped defenders... there has never been this much talent on the market, maybe ever. Brodin, Dumba, Yandle, Hamhuis, Campbell, Goligoski, Demers, Vatenen, Lindholm, Fowler, Jones, Barrie, Shatttenkirk... this is just a small sample of players that were reportedly available to the Oilers. I left guys like Hamonic out but I do believe the Islanders had a price for him.

Put the Larsson trade aside. Oilers can only protect 3 defenders and they have Sekeras on a NMC (ridiculous signing but he was one of the only defenders available last summer), Klef and Larsson. However if Sekeras were to agree to waive his NMC to go to Vegas, the Oilers don't have to protect him. Vegas has to pick 1 player from Edmonton, no more, no less. With teams like the Blues, Nashville, Chicago, SJ, Ana... The blues can only pick 7 defenders, there is no chance they take Sekeras at 5.5 million. You can argue Vegas has a raised floor this year but they do not need to take an over priced defender from the Oil. Small chance they take Nurse but most likely they will take a character player like Pouliot, Maroon or some other forward to fill out there depth. I am fairly confident the Oilers don't have a blue line that is going to be a target. With the defenders out there I would actually be surprised if they took Larsson or Klef to be honest. There are 7 other teams that have more than 3 defenders that are better for Vegas.

So no reason to not go wild an sign a defender other than Russell. Oilers could have signed Hambuis and demers, keep Hall and been set not needing Lucic. Seems obvious. Florida is a great example. They wanted the best, they traded for Yandles rights and inked him quickly. Oilers should have done the same with ANY player.
- Hall Fan

Be better

Fancy stat people really cant understand that some players dont fiy into a nice little box that takes zero knowledge to understand.j