LMAO picking the Leafs ahead of the Habs is laughable. This is 2016 not 2019 where the Leafs should be clear ahead of the Habs in the up down cycle of hockey "Cup windows". For now Price and Weber are the wall and tank that will make the Habs contend for the division. Unless of course someone tries to deliberately injure Price which is not out of the question.

Nothing's impossible, but much like the Canucks getting in, it's highly highly unlikely!!!

IMO the Leafs and Canucks will both be in a bottom five draft position, and from a Canuck draftist, I'm perfectly fine with that!
- LeftCoaster

You guy's screwed that up when you got Gudbranson. Playoffs for you guys. He can hit and block shots you know.

Also, with reading the hype on the Nucks thread about getting Sutter, Etem, Tree, Larsen, Stetcher etc., you guy's are just too strong for a high pick.

there's no question this deal will haunt Montreal in a few years. but i am holding out hope that in the short term it does make them a better team. i know the numbers say it won't but i'm also holding out hope that there is still more to this game than spredsheets. this is going to be a great case study.
- DoubleDown

I don't understand how everyone sees Weber's contract as a big albatross.
He is owed $54M over 9 years, or an AAV of $6M. Let's say he gets shipped out after 5 years. That's $42M over 5 years, $8.4M per year. Otherwise known as $600,000 less than Subban makes.
Seems ok to me. It's not really a bargain either, but it's hardly going to sink them.

I don't understand how everyone sees Weber's contract as a big albatross.
He is owed $54M over 9 years, or an AAV of $6M. Let's say he gets shipped out after 5 years. That's $42M over 5 years, $8.4M per year. Otherwise known as $600,000 less than Subban makes.
Seems ok to me. It's not really a bargain either, but it's hardly going to sink them.
- Tonybere

But what is the cap hit?

But what is the cap hit?
- wreckage

His cap hit is large, no question - $12M.
But we're also talking about a D-man that puts up 48 points a year while playing against the oppositions best every night.

His cap hit is large, no question - $12M.
But we're also talking about a D-man that puts up 48 points a year while playing against the oppositions best every night.
- Tonybere

please read this....MTL is in MUCH better shape than some think

http://www.stanleycupofch...ators--Flyers-Offer-Sheet

His cap hit is large, no question - $12M.
But we're also talking about a D-man that puts up 48 points a year while playing against the oppositions best every night.
- Tonybere

two words

core see

You guy's screwed that up when you got Gudbranson. Playoffs for you guys. He can hit and block shots you know.

Also, with reading the hype on the Nucks thread about getting Sutter, Etem, Tree, Larsen, Stetcher etc., you guy's are just too strong for a high pick.
- walshyleafsfan

Who's "you guys"….we don't run the team


We're winning the lottery God darn it….stop pissing on my party!!!!!!

I don't understand how everyone sees Weber's contract as a big albatross.
He is owed $54M over 9 years, or an AAV of $6M. Let's say he gets shipped out after 5 years. That's $42M over 5 years, $8.4M per year. Otherwise known as $600,000 less than Subban makes.
Seems ok to me. It's not really a bargain either, but it's hardly going to sink them.
- Tonybere

well if you assume his game drops significantly by the time he's around 34-35-36, then the problem is that while his overall cap hit isn't a catastrophe, you're paying him that money to play non-premium minutes, for a lot of years, and that will affect your ability to pay players to play those premium roles.

His cap hit is large, no question - $12M.
But we're also talking about a D-man that puts up 48 points a year while playing against the oppositions best every night.
- Tonybere

no his cap hit is something like 7.8. it doesn't change over the life of the contract.

You guy's screwed that up when you got Gudbranson. Playoffs for you guys. He can hit and block shots you know.

Also, with reading the hype on the Nucks thread about getting Sutter, Etem, Tree, Larsen, Stetcher etc., you guy's are just too strong for a high pick.
- walshyleafsfan

I can pretty confidently say I don't think many people hyped Etem.
That was our coach, only because he coached him in Junior.

But yes I do think we screwed up with Gubranson. He takes penalties every damn shift. Boarding, Holding, Slashing, Boarding Boarding, hooking. UGGGGH

two words

core see
- YuenglingJagr

Two words: James Tanner.

That's who you sound like. AKA, someone who doesn't know his ego from a black hole.
Corsi is neither the be all nor end all in evaluating a player. If you don't know that Shea Weber is a dominant force as a defenseman in the NHL, then I can't help you.

p.s. - good luck tonight. I can say that because the game doesn't matter!

Nothing's impossible, but much like the Canucks getting in, it's highly highly unlikely!!!

IMO the Leafs and Canucks will both be in a bottom five draft position, and from a Canuck draftist, I'm perfectly fine with that!
- LeftCoaster

The leafs are past that. Don't try and pull the leafs down with the Canucks

please read this....MTL is in MUCH better shape than some think

http://www.stanleycupofch...ators--Flyers-Offer-Sheet
- Symba007

Nashville is royally screwed if Weber retires with one season left (or 2-3 seasons left, if we're honest). Or will they be? A new CBA will kick in for 21-22 season - I imagine some of this cap recapture stuff will be circumvented somehow as a result.

If not...

Nashville is royally screwed if Weber retires with one season left (or 2-3 seasons left, if we're honest). Or will they be? A new CBA will kick in for 21-22 season - I imagine some of this cap recapture stuff will be circumvented somehow as a result.

If not...
- mjones242

totally agree, they would have to trade for him and avoid him retiring early or else they are screwed.

Not sure why people say Toronto is early in the rebuilld. They have been keeping first round picks and drafting high for some years now. You don't have one of the best prospect pools in the league early in a rebuild.

no his cap hit is something like 7.8. it doesn't change over the life of the contract.
- DoubleDown

$4 mill in salary +$8 mill bonus next 2 years. Cap hit of $7.857 per for the remainder. PK is $9 mill plus $2 mill bonus with a hit of $9 per.

As for the recapture penalty, Montreal is just as screwed if PK is forced to retire by then end of his contract with those 2 years at a $2 mill base at the end of his contract.

totally agree, they would have to trade for him and avoid him retiring early or else they are screwed.
- Symba007

Or he goes LTIR like Pronger and Savard and Datsyuk and collects his additional millions for nothing. Hell maybe he takes a kosher job with the league at the same time and doubles down.

Not sure why people say Toronto is early in the rebuilld. They have been keeping first round picks and drafting high for some years now. You don't have one of the best prospect pools in the league early in a rebuild.
- Zezel

Because they've only been "intentionally tanking" for 2 years now. 50 years of being bad isn't rebuilding it's just unfortunate. Yet everyone claims the Oilers have been rebuilding since 06 when on fact they were just a crappie hockey team for 4 years after that before they decided to blow it up.

Because they've only been "intentionally tanking" for 2 years now. 50 years of being bad isn't rebuilding it's just unfortunate. Yet everyone claims the Oilers have been rebuilding since 06 when on fact they were just a crappie hockey team for 4 years after that before they decided to blow it up.
- wreckage

Sure, but the results are there in the Leafs' system because they retained assets from the unintentional bad years, like Rielly, instead of trading picks. I get the semantic point, but when Marner, Nylander and Matthews are all likely playing this year, I'd call that more like mid rebuild. Matthews certainly accelerates things because he can play immediately.

Because they've only been "intentionally tanking" for 2 years now. 50 years of being bad isn't rebuilding it's just unfortunate. Yet everyone claims the Oilers have been rebuilding since 06 when on fact they were just a crappie hockey team for 4 years after that before they decided to blow it up.
- wreckage

Yeah, but the collecting of assets started with the 2011-12 unintentional tank year.

I think the leafs had a better starting point for blowing it up because of it.

$4 mill in salary +$8 mill bonus next 2 years. Cap hit of $7.857 per for the remainder. PK is $9 mill plus $2 mill bonus with a hit of $9 per.

As for the recapture penalty, Montreal is just as screwed if PK is forced to retire by then end of his contract with those 2 years at a $2 mill base at the end of his contract.
- wreckage

Doubt this happens. PK will only be 32 at the end of his contract. Shea will be 42 at the end of his.

Edit:

Also, I have no clue where you are getting the 2 mil base at the end of his contract. Not the case at all.

Who's "you guys"….we don't run the team


We're winning the lottery God darn it….stop pissing on my party!!!!!!
- LeftCoaster

Don't get me wrong, winning the draft lottery is great for any team, but I think you guys need a better GM than you do some lottery wins.

Here it is; Montreal and Winnipeg each have the best chance to make the playoffs. However, each need their goaltending to be there or they're in a fight to get a wild card spot. Montreal has Price, Weber and Pac, and if their team can stay relatively healthy, they should be in. Winnipeg looks all-around decent, and Laine adds firepower.

The next tier are Edmonton, Calgary and Ottawa, who look like they'll be fighting for wildcard spots (Calgary and Edmonton have an easier division and will at least be above Vancouver and Arizona). Edmonton will let the kids do their thing, and like him or not Lucic should contribute. Their back-end and goaltending is suspect, but we already know Toronto tried to outscore their woes and wasn't failing too badly at it. If McDavid and the rest can score, that could keep them competitive. Calgary has Monahan, Gaudreau and decent D with Elliott getting his shot to carry the team; they look like they'll be competitive. Ottawa has Karlsson, Ryan, Anderson and whatever young guys to round them out. They need at least 2 of those guys healthy to have a shot.

Crap tier are Vancouver and Toronto, who will be in lottery contention. Easy peasy beautiful.

Here it is; Montreal and Winnipeg each have the best chance to make the playoffs. However, each need their goaltending to be there or they're in a fight to get a wild card spot. Montreal has Price, Weber and Pac, and if their team can stay relatively healthy, they should be in. Winnipeg looks all-around decent, and Laine adds firepower.

The next tier are Edmonton, Calgary and Ottawa, who look like they'll be fighting for wildcard spots (Calgary and Edmonton have an easier division and will at least be above Vancouver and Arizona). Edmonton will let the kids do their thing, and like him or not Lucic should contribute. Their back-end and goaltending is suspect, but we already know Toronto tried to outscore their woes and wasn't failing too badly at it. If McDavid and the rest can score, that could keep them competitive. Calgary has Monahan, Gaudreau and decent D with Elliott getting his shot to carry the team; they look like they'll be competitive. Ottawa has Karlsson, Ryan, Anderson and whatever young guys to round them out. They need at least 2 of those guys healthy to have a shot.

Crap tier are Vancouver and Toronto, who will be in lottery contention. Easy peasy beautiful.
- Conquest

Hurtful, why dont we label it as the "Work In Progress Tier"