Jets will get a vet dman on a decent contract and a first


No one is going to over pay for a RFA who you still have to negotiate a contract with unless they make a deal with the agent before the trade.

I just dont see teams doing an even swap

Like when hamonic asked for a trade to winnipeg. You never get fair value back

So much for Sweeney and Neely wanting players in Boston that "what to be here," and "wanting and caring about winning and leaving it all on the ice."

I want Trouba, but Krug was our best D-man last season and was just signed at a pretty good RFA contract.

Plus he is a passionate guy that wants to win and a positive locker room guy.

I really hate the Bs management group because nothing they do makes any sense anymore, as they point to one concept or idea today and use the opposite tomorrow.....dumbasses.

Trouba is a potential top pair guy, I get it, but Krug is a solid mid pair guy if he gets a bigger stay at home guy to play with. And the extra Boston has to sent to Pegg makes it silly.
- JIwasinskiJr

Pretty much agree with this. Krug is a solid and consistent player on a fair contract. Even though both players are very different in certain ways, this would largely be a lateral move.

Plus, I just don't think a Trouba/Krug deal should cost Boston more than Krug. I don't get that.

Kane was also under contract, though. I get that he got a haul last time a remotely similar situation occurred, but you can't expect drastic overpayments like that every time. In my opinion, we should be talking about what constitutes a realistic deal for the guy. As much as you don't want to give him away, assets lose value if they're not playing (Drouin, Johansen, Turris, etc) so holding him out for years just isn't that feasible.

Gotta imagine it's best for all involved to move on from the situation in the form of a good, even hockey trade. I think a package surrounding either Nurse or Sanheim makes the most sense, but I don't know how each looks from the Jets' perspective.
- MaximumBone

It would be easier if trouba wasent asking for so much money. Why are you going to trade a good dman with a friendly cap hit for trouba?

Unless your a team like arizona that can afford it

Kane was also under contract, though. I get that he got a haul last time a remotely similar situation occurred, but you can't expect drastic overpayments like that every time. In my opinion, we should be talking about what constitutes a realistic deal for the guy. As much as you don't want to give him away, assets lose value if they're not playing (Drouin, Johansen, Turris, etc) so holding him out for years just isn't that feasible.

Gotta imagine it's best for all involved to move on from the situation in the form of a good, even hockey trade. I think a package surrounding either Nurse or Sanheim makes the most sense, but I don't know how each looks from the Jets' perspective.
- MaximumBone

I think a package including Nurse or Sanheim would be fair and probably would be accepted. Your examples of Drouin, Johansen and Turris, all ended up signing with their team which I can aslo see happening with Trouba. I just do not see the Jets acepting something they dont like " just to resolve this"

WGP would have an easier time moving Trouba if they weren't looking specifically for a lefty dman who is similar to Trouba.

Most teams that have a player like that DO NOT need to move said player. Boston doesn't NEED to move Krug. Krug is probably their only dman they have that should be held on to.

WPG has a fairly decent back-end if it's coached properly. I think it would behoove them to attempt a trade for a solid 2nd line winger + a solid #4/#5 dman.

I think a package including Nurse or Sanheim would be fair and probably would be accepted. Your examples of Drouin, Johansen and Turris, all ended up signing with their team which I can aslo see happening with Trouba. I just do not see the Jets acepting something they dont like " just to resolve this"
- Ross77

But in all cases, the player's perceived value was hurt. Johansen boosted it back up again with a stellar year before getting traded, Drouin had a strong playoffs but many offers seemed to be equivalent to a 1st, and Turris' value never recouped. I just have a hard time seeing him going back after what's been said.

It would be easier if trouba wasent asking for so much money. Why are you going to trade a good dman with a friendly cap hit for trouba?

Unless your a team like arizona that can afford it
- Flexingtheshaft

RH and LH balance is an important factor to consider when constructing a D corps and Edmonton is still lacking a top-4 guy on the right side (to compliment Larsson). If they could bring him in, their D corps is young, big, and looked up long term.

Klefbom- Larsson
Davidson- Trouba
Sekera- Fayne/Gryba

Assuming health, it's hard to imagine that not being a playoff calibre D corps which- along with an already strong forward group- could make for a consistent contender.

I dont get how Jet fans can think having a guy who refuses to sign with you gives you leverage in a trade ??

As a Ranger fan, I admit I am not an expert on Winnipeg's personnel, but I also dont understand why I keep reading The Jets dont need any Forwards, they are set. With all due respect, this is a team that has only made the playoffs once in the last how many years? and got swept. But somehow the forward core just cant be improved ?

Jake Gardiner, Kapanen, and a pick is what I'd offer.

Jake Gardiner, Kapanen, and a pick is what I'd offer.
- 50 Mission Cap

Overpayment IMO.

I think a Gardiner/Trouba straight-up swap would be more than fair.

Ridiculous notion Ek. It won't be Krug going the other way as he's improved to the point where Claude finally trusts him. He has a ways to go, but as of now he's > than Trouba in all ways except for physical stature. I also think it will be Myers moving and not Trouba but that's just my opinion.
According to the asking price from "knowledgeable" Jets fans, Trouba is just shy of Karlsson and Subban on all levels, so why deal him?

Jake Gardiner, Kapanen, and a pick is what I'd offer.
- 50 Mission Cap

and I hope the Jets would say no

and I hope the Jets would say no
- Ross77

You're not going to get an exact apple-to-apples return for Trouba. Any team that has a player very similar to Trouba in age and abilities likely doesn't need to move that player.

Trouba for Gardiner would be fair. Gardiner may not be as good as Trouba, but he provides a pretty legit second pairing dmen who's a lefty at a reasonable contract.

WPG is VERY limited in what they can expect if what they're said to be asking for is true.

I dont get how Jet fans can think having a guy who refuses to sign with you gives you leverage in a trade ??

As a Ranger fan, I admit I am not an expert on Winnipeg's personnel, but I also dont understand why I keep reading The Jets dont need any Forwards, they are set. With all due respect, this is a team that has only made the playoffs once in the last how many years? and got swept. But somehow the forward core just cant be improved ?
- ELew11

The Jets have a ton of young playesr ready for spots in the top nine. Ehlers, Laine, Connor, Dano, Petan, Lowry plus existing vets that are still top nine players in Sheifele, Wheeler, Little, Stafford and Perrault. They have a couple more that will probably be ready next year in Lemieux and Raslovik. This is why Jets fans all agree we do not need any forwards.

You're not going to get an exact apple-to-apples return for Trouba. Any team that has a player very similar to Trouba in age and abilities likely doesn't need to move that player.

Trouba for Gardiner would be fair. Gardiner may not be as good as Trouba, but he provides a pretty legit second pairing dmen who's a lefty at a reasonable contract.

WPG is VERY limited in what they can expect if what they're said to be asking for is true.
- Rinosaur

I just dont like Gardiner, and I have very little faith that Kapanen will develop into a top 6 player.

I just dont like Gardiner, and I have very little faith that Kapanen will develop into a top 6 player.
- Ross77

That's fair. I just think WPG shouldn't be so myopic in what they're looking for.

Yeah, Trouba for Krug makes sense on paper, but it doesn't really make sense for Boston.

Trouba for Maatta would make sense on paper, but it doesn't make sense for PIT because of money.

Trouba for Hanifin could make sense on paper, but does CAR really need to do that?

I'm throwing out arbitrary names, but you get my point. I think WPG needs to widen their scope.

Personally, I'd look to either BUF or NJ. Shero LOVES loading up dmen and you win a trade with them. You guys don't NEED a Trouba on your team, you need stability. You're a team of the future and I would think along those lines toward continuing to build.

I'd look at NJ and try to get John Moore, a 2017 1st rounder and maybe their 1st round pick from 2016.

I'd look at BUF and try and get Ennis and McCabe in return.

Again, part of what I'm suggesting is arbitrary, but I just think WPG needs to keep their minds open.

RH and LH balance is an important factor to consider when constructing a D corps and Edmonton is still lacking a top-4 guy on the right side (to compliment Larsson). If they could bring him in, their D corps is young, big, and looked up long term.

Klefbom- Larsson
Davidson- Trouba
Sekera- Fayne/Gryba

Assuming health, it's hard to imagine that not being a playoff calibre D corps which- along with an already strong forward group- could make for a consistent contender.
- MaximumBone

Why are you going sign trouba to 6+ mill a year for how ever long when mcdavid, draistl and nurse are going to each get 6 or more in a few years

I guarantee you mcdavid gets an offer sheet for 11+ a year

You need to make sure you have thr money to keep him around

It would be easier if trouba wasent asking for so much money. Why are you going to trade a good dman with a friendly cap hit for trouba?

Unless your a team like arizona that can afford it
- Flexingtheshaft

knobody knows what Trouba is really asking for. I'm sure teams will be allowed to talk to talk to his agent about that before any trade would happen

knobody knows what Trouba is really asking for. I'm sure teams will be allowed to talk to talk to his agent about that before any trade would happen
- Ross77

They absolutely have to allow that. This is what's sad about the direction of the league. He's an RFA, but he's basically calling the shots. He's obligated to sign a contract. His only real recourse should be to go to arbitration, sign his deal and if he doesn't want to stay in WPG, now WPG has the ability to make this move easier for both sides.

Or

WPG can stand pat and just wait for an offer-sheet to roll in.

knobody knows what Trouba is really asking for. I'm sure teams will be allowed to talk to talk to his agent about that before any trade would happen
- Ross77

I think teams are allowed to

And i though it was reported by one of the TSN guys that trouba was asking for 6

Essentially they're trying to replace Hamilton, so if they pay more than they got for Hamilton, they're overpaying(in the long run). If they pay less, they're underpaying.

One thing that gets lost on people is that WPG is a small market team and as such, doesn't want to start a perception around the league that if a player doesn't like being there, they can just request a trade and get out. This is a major factor in why this deal won't be rushed and why Winnipeg will either get the value they want or let Trouba sit the Year. Yes, having an asset not playing is a bad situation but even worse is the idea of players being able to dictate a way out of a small market. Wpg has to think about this with the contracts of players such as Ehlers, Laine, Connor, and Hellebuyck being in the same situation in the coming Years.

Why are you going sign trouba to 6+ mill a year for how ever long when mcdavid, draistl and nurse are going to each get 6 or more in a few years

I guarantee you mcdavid gets an offer sheet for 11+ a year

You need to make sure you have thr money to keep him around
- Flexingtheshaft

He'd have to get to market for that.

First off, we'd be moving Nurse in this hypothetical. Second, if he develops enough to justify 6+ mil on his second contract, he'd easily be on track to become one of the top Dmen in the entire league (not likely). Similar applies to Leon.

I'm not worried as our 6 core forwards would likely take up around 40mil (McDavid [10], Draisaitl [6], Lucic [6], Puljujarvi [6], Nuge [6] and hopefully Caggiula [3]) and our 4 core Dmen would likely take up around 20mil (Klefbom [4.2], Larsson [4.2], Trouba [6] and Davidson [3.5]). Both those numbers are on the high end, too.

He'd have to get to market for that.

First off, we'd be moving Nurse in this hypothetical. Second, if he develops enough to justify 6+ mil on his second contract, he'd easily be on track to become one of the top Dmen in the entire league (not likely). Similar applies to Leon.

I'm not worried as our 6 core forwards would likely take up around 40mil (McDavid
- MaximumBone[10], Draisaitl [6], Lucic [6], Puljujarvi [6], Nuge [6] and hopefully Caggiula [3]) and our 4 core Dmen would likely take up around 20mil (Klefbom [4.2], Larsson [4.2], Trouba [6] and Davidson [3.5]). Both those numbers are on the high end, too.

Just saying i would be worried about mcdavid until he is locked up.

If i was edmonton i would look to the penguins. I would see about daley for yak

Or maybe a bigger trade involing maata

Just saying i would be worried about mcdavid until he is locked up.

If i was edmonton i would look to the penguins. I would see about daley for yak

Or maybe a bigger trade involing maata
- Flexingtheshaft

I think Yakupov is a worthy rectlimation project, and from assett management point of view it's a general rule of thumb that shipping out old vets on an expiring contract for fresh assets is a good idea. But Pittsburgh is pretty shallow at top 4 d men. If we shipped out Daley the next guy up to fill the 2RD spot would be Justin Schultz. Schultz played surprisingly well for us after being acquired in a sheltered roll and I'm cautiously optimistic he can reclaim his career in Pitt and maybe be our 2RD moving forward, but you don't just bank on a guy with Schultz's overall track record to be able to be your every down back on the second pairing just cus he played well in sheltered minutes for 1/3 of a season.

Daley for Yakupov is not feasible for Pittsburgh.