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laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Oct 1 @ 11:30 PM ET
It's a lowball offer but I feel we should take it. Then Yak can blossom under the new Eakins in Colorado.
- Ihatebrianburke


I say we trade him to the Ducks for Fowler... The Ducks will probably send Yak to San Diego so him and Eakins can be reunited
FLflames34
Calgary Flames
Location: ., HI
Joined: 02.26.2010

Oct 1 @ 11:38 PM ET
I say we trade him to the Ducks for Fowler... The Ducks will probably send Yak to San Diego so him and Eakins can be reunited
- laughs2907

This is funny.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Oct 1 @ 11:59 PM ET
The Jets have no reason to do this. You think they want to be in perpetual rebuild? No. They will free up a spot via trade so he is 1R D and pay him. Your proposal is laughable.

Oilers will suck again this year as they always do. Good job not addressing their goalie situation too.

- FLflames34


They better not! Trouba isn't as good as he thinks he is. He was played a ton to avoid this situation, but he was the #4 on the Jets. He was HANDED A TOP PAIRING JOB. With Byfuglien. But it was on the left side, so it's not enough for a 22 year old who hasn't lived up to the hype since his rookie year. Dump Trouba to the highest bidder. Morrissey is looking ready, so we don't really "need" Trouba.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Oct 2 @ 12:01 AM ET
[quote=James_Tanner]

A: where's Scheifele and Little? They're better than RNH.
B: most of those are wrong.
FLflames34
Calgary Flames
Location: ., HI
Joined: 02.26.2010

Oct 2 @ 12:09 AM ET
They better not! Trouba isn't as good as he thinks he is. He was played a ton to avoid this situation, but he was the #4 on the Jets. He was HANDED A TOP PAIRING JOB. With Byfuglien. But it was on the left side, so it's not enough for a 22 year old who hasn't lived up to the hype since his rookie year. Dump Trouba to the highest bidder. Morrissey is looking ready, so we don't really "need" Trouba.
- Rexypoo

He is still 22 and a lot further along than Nurse. He needs to suck it up and take a deal similar to Brodie and stay. Still gonna be a great dman for many years. Sounds like agent influence to get a higher number, more so than wanting to leave. And if not, and he wants to demand? Then you are correct. Kane pulling that crap worked ao well for him too
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Oct 2 @ 12:13 AM ET
A: where's Scheifele and Little? They're better than RNH.
B: most of those are wrong.

- Rexypoo


Scheifele yes... But I'd take RNH over Bryan Little.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Oct 2 @ 12:17 AM ET
He is still 22 and a lot further along than Nurse. He needs to suck it up and take a deal similar to Brodie and stay. Still gonna be a great dman for many years. Sounds like agent influence to get a higher number, more so than wanting to leave. And if not, and he wants to demand? Then you are correct. Kane pulling that crap worked ao well for him too
- FLflames34


Even a 2 year bridge deal fixes it. If he proves it, they'll move Myers and give him his money. Even when Trouba and Myers played together, they were constantly switching sides. It should be a non issue. I'm sure they'd move Myers now if Trouba didn't make himself look bad with this publicity stunt. Now his character is in question, which drops his value in a trade and his reputation with the team.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Oct 2 @ 12:19 AM ET
Scheifele yes... But I'd take RNH over Bryan Little.
- laughs2907


They're pretty even right now. It's balancing the discount with Little against the potential of RNH. Id pick Little only because he's a known for me. I totally get picking RNH first though.
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

Oct 2 @ 12:54 AM ET
Talbot may not be an elite G. But his stats show he is a #1. Not sure why the hate on him. Edmontons problems came from the defense which has slowly improved over the past couple years and should be serviceable this year.
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Oct 2 @ 1:20 AM ET
Talbot may not be an elite G. But his stats show he is a #1. Not sure why the hate on him. Edmontons problems came from the defense which has slowly improved over the past couple years and should be serviceable this year.
- wreckage


I don't get it either... The guy put up good numbers playing behind the worst defence in the entire NHL...
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Oct 2 @ 1:43 AM ET
Talbot may not be an elite G. But his stats show he is a #1. Not sure why the hate on him. Edmontons problems came from the defense which has slowly improved over the past couple years and should be serviceable this year.
- wreckage

The last time I was confident with our goaltending was the year Dubnyk proceeded to poop the bed so hopefully this year doesn't go the same.
wthunder1
Location: AZ
Joined: 02.04.2008

Oct 2 @ 3:14 AM ET
Can you please, get back to coyote hockey.? I'm soooo sick of seeing you talk about everything and everyone but them. If you don't want to discuss them, step down and let someone who will actually discuss them step in. All the other teams already have their own bloggers, they don't need your help.!
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Oct 2 @ 3:18 AM ET
Talbot may not be an elite G. But his stats show he is a #1. Not sure why the hate on him. Edmontons problems came from the defense which has slowly improved over the past couple years and should be serviceable this year.
- wreckage


Stats show he's a grossly average goaltender when not playing on a defense first team. You can't win a Cup with average. I was just talking about this fever dream in Tanner's mind; the only "hate" was in the context of selling out for the next 2 years. I think he's perfectly serviceable for the foreseeable future, but I think we've seen his ceiling, and it's a middle of the pack goalie. He's 29, and the Tim Thomas's of the world are mighty rare indeed. And I definitely think he's the best goalie in Edmonton since Roloson.
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

Oct 2 @ 6:26 AM ET
Stats show he's a grossly average goaltender when not playing on a defense first team. You can't win a Cup with average. I was just talking about this fever dream in Tanner's mind; the only "hate" was in the context of selling out for the next 2 years. I think he's perfectly serviceable for the foreseeable future, but I think we've seen his ceiling, and it's a middle of the pack goalie. He's 29, and the Tim Thomas's of the world are mighty rare indeed. And I definitely think he's the best goalie in Edmonton since Roloson.
- Wetbandit1


Thomas didn't do anything in the NHL worth mentioning until his age 34 season. Talbot is entering his age 29 season. And has proven he is a capable goalie, possible #1, the past 2 years. Quite different stories. His best years have not been on a "defense first" team as his best years have been with the NYR who had good but not elite defensive teams and last year in his first with the defensively horrible Oilers. And his stats on that bad Oilers team were slightly above middle of the pack sitting around 20th in all quantifiable measures. To say they need an upgrade in goal is laughable at this time. An upgrade behind him maybe. And they need him to start the year like he ended last year. But by no means does he need to be upgraded provided their defense is better. But in my opinion the Oilers biggest issue the past 3+ years has been team defense, not just their defensemen. Their forwards need to learn to play behind their own blue line instead of just trying to play on the other side of centre.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 2 @ 8:26 AM ET
I don't know if it will be possible for McDavid to be the highest paid player in NHL history. The max is 20% of the cap per season in the season the deal is signed, about $14.3M for this season, multiply that by 8 and you get $116.8M. Ovechkin's contract is for $124M. The cap isn't going to go up much in the next 2 years, but if they use the escalator and the cap would've otherwise stayed steady it would be just enough. It would be ~$126M contract.

But it's moot, no one is getting a max contract. A team would have to be braindead, ok maybe with Chiarelli it's possible, to give a single guy 20% of the cap. Stamkos likely could've gotten ~$12M as a UFA had he left Tampa, but no one was even talking about a max deal, at least those that knew what the max was. McDavid will also have no leverage for another 6 years.

I might be late on this, but I don't feel like reading all the comments.

p.s. Who's going to play goalie on this fictional team in the interim 2 years, or are you just going to get like 6 goalies and hope one of them gets hot at the end of the year and stays hot throughout the playoffs? And what happens when McDavid gets his 20%? Do you really think Lindholm and Trouba will sign for 2 years?

- Wetbandit1


Anyone saying highest paid looks at per year. If he was getting 14 miles he would be called the highest paid.

And McDavid will get 10 plus million in 2 years at RFA. He has leverage. There are probably 20 teams in the league that would happily give up 4 first round picks and pay him 12 million. And the oilers would match. Hes going to get a huge salary in 2 years.
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Oct 2 @ 8:30 AM ET
agree with premise. Time for EDM to trade futures for now. Take advantage of the ELC. The Lucic signing was terrible and that contract is awful value. Larsson still has to prove he is a top pairing guy... but yeah... move nurse and futures for trouba/lindholm/rist etc. sekera is overpaid but not a terrible number 4.
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Oct 2 @ 8:42 AM ET
I wish they had a blow job emoji for what your doing to Tanner right now, yeesh.
- Flamin_Irishmin




Interesting cause most people on this board would have to have a henry(it) emoji for all hate they spew
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Oct 2 @ 11:03 AM ET
If they ended up with those 4 dmen, one would get taken in next year's expansion draft. Not a smart move giving up assets for that.

And while Klefbom and Larsson are two pretty good dmen, it's jumping the gun calling them the best pairing in the NHL. I doubt they are, or will be. Good, but no, not the best.

- prock


That isn't true. You can protect 8 skaters: 4 D, RNH, Lucic, Yakupov, Draisaitl

Puljujarvi, McDavid don't need to be protected in this scenario you've traded Eberle. If you lose Davidson , Sekara or Maroon, that ain't too bad.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Oct 2 @ 11:04 AM ET
Klefbom-Larsson>Josi-Subban


- fry


By quite a bit actually. Josi is a mediocre dman at best. I don't think it's long before Klefbom is better than PK either.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Oct 2 @ 11:23 AM ET
By quite a bit actually. Josi is a mediocre dman at best. I don't think it's long before Klefbom is better than PK either.
- James_Tanner


and this is how you get to keep this gig, by making such ridiculous statements and waiting for all the comments ripping you. well played sir
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Oct 2 @ 11:25 AM ET
By quite a bit actually. Josi is a mediocre dman at best. I don't think it's long before Klefbom is better than PK either.
- James_Tanner


I generally agree with much of what you write that others dont... but your off your rocker on this one.
Turchet
Joined: 01.28.2016

Oct 2 @ 11:54 AM ET
You must kill it in NHL franchise mode because that's the only time your nonsensical trade proposals and ideas of who the best players are "going to be" actually work. Klefbom and Larsson the best pairing in the NHL? You've certainly outdone yourself with that one.
FLflames34
Calgary Flames
Location: ., HI
Joined: 02.26.2010

Oct 2 @ 1:08 PM ET
Can you please, get back to coyote hockey.? I'm soooo sick of seeing you talk about everything and everyone but them. If you don't want to discuss them, step down and let someone who will actually discuss them step in. All the other teams already have their own bloggers, they don't need your help.!
- wthunder1

Who is your future 1G when they are ready to contend in 2-3 yrs? Serious question, don't know much about your goalie prospects but it can't be Domingue.
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Oct 2 @ 1:53 PM ET
Thomas didn't do anything in the NHL worth mentioning until his age 34 season. Talbot is entering his age 29 season. And has proven he is a capable goalie, possible #1, the past 2 years. Quite different stories. His best years have not been on a "defense first" team as his best years have been with the NYR who had good but not elite defensive teams and last year in his first with the defensively horrible Oilers. And his stats on that bad Oilers team were slightly above middle of the pack sitting around 20th in all quantifiable measures. To say they need an upgrade in goal is laughable at this time. An upgrade behind him maybe. And they need him to start the year like he ended last year. But by no means does he need to be upgraded provided their defense is better. But in my opinion the Oilers biggest issue the past 3+ years has been team defense, not just their defensemen. Their forwards need to learn to play behind their own blue line instead of just trying to play on the other side of centre.
- wreckage


Couldn't agree more...
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 2 @ 3:37 PM ET
That isn't true. You can protect 8 skaters: 4 D, RNH, Lucic, Yakupov, Draisaitl

Puljujarvi, McDavid don't need to be protected in this scenario you've traded Eberle. If you lose Davidson , Sekara or Maroon, that ain't too bad.

- James_Tanner



Are you sure about that? I'm not actually saying you're wrong, but the rules were very vaguely described in the NHL writeup. All they said was all first and second year pros do not need protecting. It's my understanding Euro leagues are included as pro. Would McDavid, who has two years, be considered third year, given that he is going into his third year?

I'd like to see, from a reliable source, it broken down clearly.
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