Typically I agree with your ideas, but trading for both players and calling it "future Chiarelli's problem" is the kind of stuff that got them in trouble in the first place. The Ducks won't move Lindholm and would rather move Fowler or Dupres for prospects. If the Oilers still had Hall, they might be able to get Lindholm, but they don't. Trouba is a realistic proposition, as Edmonton are the team closest to having the asset to acquire him in Nurse. I would offer Nurse and Yakupov. A line of Laine-Little-Yakupov has explosive potential, especially in terms of speed.
There's more than 2 rounds in the draft... Plus, who is to say that additional picks will not be acquired through trades? - laughs2907
Thank you for the draft information Captain Obvious. A draft without 1st AND 2nd round picks is like going to Thanksgiving dinner and only getting to eat the salad and bread sticks. While you can find quality in those selections, we all know where the good eating is.
As to your second comment. Instead of just saying we can just trade someone/anyone for good draft picks, who exactly do you have in mind from the current Oilers roster that others teams would want?!, and let's be serious here, we're not talking McDavid and the core for mere draft picks.
Use some logic, and keep in mind we're talking Tanners scenario here...
Ok. So by your logic Tanner, written in your article, you basically break it down like this.
Trouba for Nurse and a 2019 1st rounder and a 2018 2nd rounder.
Lindholm for Eberle and a 2018 1st rounder and a 2019 second rounder.
I get the picks could be different years, but you state Edmonton player X + 1st + 2nd(+) for player Y (Ducks/Jets). That means the Oilers have no first or second round picks for the next 2 years. They could just fire half of their scouts in this scenario.
Sometimes logic isn't one of your strong suits James... - Flamin_Irishmin
I think we overrate draft picks. If you traded your picks every year for players who've already made it, you eliminate the bust picks you are bound to make if you keep your picks. Of course in a salary cap world this is a more complicated question because of the value of ECLs, but I don't think a team that has 3-5 of the NHLs best young players is going to be hurt very badly by a couple years of trading all their picks.
If he is the only return player the Jets want from Edm is in the from of Nurse the deal falls through.
And I actually don't blame the team.
Nurse has shown improvement from year to year in every league he has played, no reason to think he can't continue that trend. - McSavioursPupil
If the Oilers could unload Nurse on the Jets for Trouba that would be close to a Hall for Larsson style rip off. Nurse is unlikely to ever be anywhere close to as good as Trouba. He has struggled badly so far in his NHL career and while I am not writing him off yet, I think people's expectations for his ceiling need to be severely adjusted.
If the Oilers could unload Nurse on the Jets for Trouba that would be close to a Hall for Larsson style rip off. Nurse is unlikely to ever be anywhere close to as good as Trouba. He has struggled badly so far in his NHL career and while I am not writing him off yet, I think people's expectations for his ceiling need to be severely adjusted. - James_Tanner
The Jets have no reason to do this. You think they want to be in perpetual rebuild? No. They will free up a spot via trade so he is 1R D and pay him. Your proposal is laughable.
Oilers will suck again this year as they always do. Good job not addressing their goalie situation too.
Their roster is not much better than last year. You are basically saying every Oiler will improve this year while everyone else won't. Let's see if this group can string together back to back winning seasons before we hand them the Clarence Campbell trophy. It took the Hawks, Pens and Kings 2 or 3 solid years before they went all the way. And I would take any of those rosters over today's Oilers any day of the week. Cement boots Lucic is and won't be the answer anytime soon. By November he will be flanking the third line. no way in hell will they be at the top of the western standings come April. Unless they get themselves Drew Doughty, Jamie Benn and Patrick Kane in an Oiler uni. And that is highly unlikely.
Thank you for the draft information Captain Obvious. A draft without 1st AND 2nd round picks is like going to Thanksgiving dinner and only getting to eat the salad and bread sticks. While you can find quality in those selections, we all know where the good eating is.
As to your second comment. Instead of just saying we can just trade someone/anyone for good draft picks, who exactly do you have in mind from the current Oilers roster that others teams would want?!, and let's be serious here, we're not talking McDavid and the core for mere draft picks.
Use some logic, and keep in mind we're talking Tanners scenario here... - Flamin_Irishmin
First round picks (especially where the Oilers have been picking) has been obvious picks... To say that the Oilers wouldn't need scouts if our 1st and 2nd round selections are gone is one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard. Scouts are needed moreso for rounds after 1 and 2...
And I'm not proposing any trades at this time, I'm merely stating that trades happen all of the time and picks are often included in trades.
Their roster is not much better than last year. You are basically saying every Oiler will improve this year while everyone else won't. Let's see if this group can string together back to back winning seasons before we hand them the Clarence Campbell trophy. It took the Hawks, Pens and Kings 2 or 3 solid years before they went all the way. And I would take any of those rosters over today's Oilers any day of the week. Cement boots Lucic is and won't be the answer anytime soon. By November he will be flanking the third line. no way in hell will they be at the top of the western standings come April. Unless they get themselves Drew Doughty, Jamie Benn and Patrick Kane in an Oiler uni. And that is highly unlikely.
Keep dreaming Tanner - Itsjustarash
Last years roster missed the Playoffs by ten wins.
40 games lost to McDavid, 60 to Klefbom, 20 or whatever to RNH.
Then you figure Hall is gone, but they add Puljujarvi, Lucic and Larsson.
It is virtually assured that all of their best players, being on the right side of their prime, actually do improve. High probability.
I estimate that is way more than the ten wins needed right there.
Over the past three years the Western Conference was won with 116 points (Anaheim), 109 points (Anaheim/St. Louis) & 109 points (Dallas)….so lets say you're going to need at the very least a 105 point season to win the West.
Given that theres been a slight decline in the top teams with the exception maybe being Nashville now that they have a legit first line center in Johansen.
Edmonton is going to have a 35 point improvement next year is what you're saying? Just for clarity. Their offence can certainly put up more goals with McDavid, however, Conference titles are won with great defence as well as great offence.
The Oilers had the second worst goal differential last year at -42, they allowed 245 goals against. The year prior they were second worst again at -85, they allowed 283 goals against…Jesus!!!
Their goaltending is average at best, their defence should be better with Larsson, BUT, you're telling me they're going to tighten up enough defensively to have a positive goal differential?
When Crosby came into the league Tanner, he scored 102 points, you know where Pittsburgh finished that year? Second last…McDavid is an all-world talent but they've gotta be much better in other areas to even improve slightly.
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid Joined: 02.20.2007
Oct 1 @ 2:10 PM ET
Their roster is not much better than last year. You are basically saying every Oiler will improve this year while everyone else won't. Let's see if this group can string together back to back winning seasons before we hand them the Clarence Campbell trophy. It took the Hawks, Pens and Kings 2 or 3 solid years before they went all the way. And I would take any of those rosters over today's Oilers any day of the week. Cement boots Lucic is and won't be the answer anytime soon. By November he will be flanking the third line. no way in hell will they be at the top of the western standings come April. Unless they get themselves Drew Doughty, Jamie Benn and Patrick Kane in an Oiler uni. And that is highly unlikely.
Keep dreaming Tanner - Itsjustarash
I've never understood how massive hyperbole and exaggeration can be considered a reasonable response .
Of course at this point it's silly to say the oilers have a better roster Than some of the teams Named.
But seriously, what this far in lucics career has given any indication whatsoever he can't be effective In a top 6 role? Absolutely nothing. You have nothing to base this on at this point.
AMD what about the injuries? It's like you've conveniently left them
Out and inferred that that the same roster needs to get better forgetting they had massive holes and inured all year.
They literally had at least two of klefbom, eberle, Mcdavid nuge amd hall out at all
Times last year. And often even more.
Davidson comes out of nowhere to surprise ? Misses the last 3rd of the season.
It's not just about being better, it's every bit as much as having some luck and a healthy roster
The oilers are bad till they aren't. I can agree with this. But try usimg some rationality and logic
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid Joined: 02.20.2007
Oct 1 @ 2:14 PM ET
2/3 tweener. He would be a 3C on Calgary which is still trying to be competent. - FLflames34
How so?
The only thing you could base this on is potential. And not only is he still young and has potential left, but he's also proven far more than Bennett.
You don't get to have it both ways.
At present there's no proof Bennett is better. And this would be much of your argument saying nuge might have a higher ceiling than many NHL 2c's, but he hasn't proven it over the long haul yet.
That said, nuge is ahead of him on every depth chart in the league today
Seriously though, greatest 28th place team in NHL history. - FLflames34
Too late. I already told the boys over at the Columbus blog to fire Torts, and hire Kruger a few days ago. They told me they were on it, just have to find a way to off Torts first...
