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I do not see Chevy budging much from his asking price which I agree with personally.. If the Jets hadn't won a lottery pick there would have been many more trade options that Chevy might have been interested in but that is not the case anymore.
The Jets have many forward prospects that have trajectory of being top 6 forwards at some point in the future some being sooner than others. Not all are sure things at this point but Chevy also isn't about to paint himself into a corner here and deviate from the plan on a whim. I don't believe he wants to anyhow..
Realistically the Jets are very well stacked on prospects in every position. When it comes to defense on the right side while they still have some good RHD prospects that look good, I feel personally that the Jets have better depth on the left side at the moment if they were to get rid of Trouba.
If Trouba's statement that he does like Winnipeg and would stay and that the trade request is all about opportunity as a RHD is true if I was Chevy I would be trading Myers. I don't see the Jets winning or coming out even on any trade involving Trouba unless they can make a one for one trade for a Lindholm, a Jones or a Reilly. I am not stating that in my perception these are fair trades but I do not see this being a even trade and would only be a setback for the Jets going forward.
Trouba in my opinion is better than he has been able to show based on usage and who he has played with the past few seasons, when he played with Byfuglien this he was more offensively useful based on the difference in deployment alone in my opinion.
Based on deployment and his defensive partner, I feel that Trouba is undervalued when it comes to a trade right now. I just don't think he has shown everything that he is capable of yet and in the future I see Trouba as being comparable to the players I mentioned earlier.
Just like Drouin last year I think that the value is not there to make a deal happen right now. Chevy will need to either make a spot for him in the top four on the right side via trade or hold out and force Trouba into signing if the right deal to move him doesn't surface. |
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Trading Myers doesn't change things a lot.....we would still need a good LHD and Myers would not likely net as good a return as Trouba.
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BINGO!
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To TheUltimateJet
Stop throwing Copp in to Trouba deals. Throw in Lowry, Burmistrov, or literally any of our AHL prospects. Copp is better than Lowry, and has a much higher ceiling. I dont care if he and Trouba are friends.
To Ross77
Postma and Morrissey were the two best defenceman on the ice for us. In fact, they were the best Jets on the ice not named Tanev. Those two were so good together i expect them to walk on to the 3rd pairing together with Morrissey taking Trouba's PP time. Postma is an NHLer now, and has been for 2 years. Get over it.
To anyone who can tell me why quoting never works for me no matter what device im using: please help me... - Rexypoo
You're an idiot. Probably.
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You just said that Trouba paired with OEL would make the best defensive pair in the league. Meaning you believe that Trouba has franchise potential.
When OEL is mentioned as a possible trade target, you devalue Trouba.
Wow!!!!! - TheUltimateJet
Your logic is quite comical!!
OEL and many many many dmen in the NHL would be considered a top pairing. Do you really think that means the 2nd guy with OEL is his equivalent? |
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Mordecai
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Yet the buzz around Winnipeg in the inner circles is that it is in fact Provorov that they are closest to a deal with. The only bump is taking a bit of salary back and how much Jets are willing to take. - jetsnation
says who?
provorov is having a great camp and is showing some very promising signs.
why would we trade him for Trouba who is asking for a massive contract which would stick us right back in cap hell?
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Mordecai
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Slavin is a LHD, not a RHD. The youngster we have on the right you might be thinking of is Pesce. Also good, but not the same level of potential as Hanifin and Slavin on the left. - MinJaBen
ahhhh yes my fault. |
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I think Philly makes the most sense followed by Edmonton and Pittsburgh. Philly takes the top spot for having an excess of higher end LH Dmen and D prospects while severely lacking on the right side. All they've really got there is Gudas. I could see them offering Sanheim, Streit, and maybe a 2nd or something. Provorov and Ghost are more than likely non-starters and I don't think Morin or Hagg have close to the ceiling of Trouba.
I'd love to see Nurse and a conditional 1st (becomes 2018 if the Oil miss the playoffs this year) for Trouba and a 2nd or 3rd, but I imagine there's at least one team that would beat that offer out of desperation (*cough* Boston). |
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says who?
provorov is having a great camp and is showing some very promising signs.
why would we trade him for Trouba who is asking for a massive contract which would stick us right back in cap hell? - Mordecai
Hextall is no idiot.
If provorov is even being talked about, then the jets have to be taking back macdonald as part of the deal imo.
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Mordecai
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Hextall is no idiot.
If provorov is even being talked about, then the jets have to be taking back macdonald as part of the deal imo. - Tumbleweed
Provorov+Amac for Trouba?
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Provorov+Amac for Trouba?
- Mordecai
Flyers would probably have to throw in a pick/prospect or 2.
But yeah, i wouldn't do it fron the flyers prespective.
Sanheim, streit and a couple picks/prospects close to me. |
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Mordecai
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Flyers would probably have to throw in a pick/prospect or 2.
But yeah, i wouldn't do it fron the flyers prespective.
Sanheim, streit and a couple picks/prospects close to me. - Tumbleweed
Sanheim wouldn't sting as much considering his game is modeled more like Ghost's and he definitely needs at least a year in the AHL. Plus we have Phillipe-Myers on the LHD prospect side as well. Under the radar top 4 d prospect who has also had a solid showing in camp.
Sanheim, Striet, Fazleev, a 2nd and a 3rd
edit:Fazleev was Sanheim's teammate in jr. Projects to be a bottom 6 two way forward with good speed and a wicked wrist shot.
This still probably wouldn't work for WPG though as they are loaded at forward and Streit is pretty meh at this point.
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OEL is a big name....Maybe if McDavid and Crosby could somehow be added into the package it may equal OEL's value. |
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Mordecai
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While PHI may have the pieces to make it work, it doesn't seem like either us or WPG are even in the same ballpark when it comes to Trouba's value. Which is fine, he's a good player and being a RHD there has got to be at least one team out there who will give up a ransom for him despite his contract status
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Your logic is quite comical!!
OEL and many many many dmen in the NHL would be considered a top pairing. Do you really think that means the 2nd guy with OEL is his equivalent? - Cooshie
Look at what Trouba has done for that anchor in Mark Stuart. Any defenseman that has been paired with Trouba has improved significantly. Trouba is on the verge of becoming a franchise defenseman (remember that Duncan Keith did not even enter the league until he was Trouba's age right now). It is sad that he does not want to play for a Canadian market and that is his prerogative. On the other hand the Jets should not get bent over because of his wishes.
OEL is already a franchise defenseman, who happens to play the position we want our future franchise defenseman to play. The Coyotes have a young team and could really benefit from taking Trouba. I am also throwing in two key pieces for insurance in the case that Trouba does not work out. His best friend, Andrew Copp, and the Jets 1st round pick in 2017.
So when Tanner talks about taking him, he needs to sit back and think of what would work for both teams not just the one he blogs for.
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Mordecai
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Look at what Trouba has done for that anchor in Mark Stuart. Any defenseman that has been paired with Trouba has improved significantly. Trouba is on the verge of becoming a franchise defenseman (remember that Duncan Keith did not even enter the league until he was Trouba's age right now). It is sad that he does not want to play for a Canadian market and that is his prerogative. On the other hand the Jets should not get bent over because of his wishes.
OEL is already a franchise defenseman, who happens to play the position we want our future franchise defenseman to play. The Coyotes have a young team and could really benefit from taking Trouba. I am also throwing in two key pieces for insurance in the case that Trouba does not work out. His best friend, Andrew Copp, and the Jets 1st round pick in 2017.
So when Tanner talks about taking him, he needs to sit back and think of what would work for both teams not just the one he blogs for. - TheUltimateJet
To be fair Trouba didn't really make Stuart "better" just less abysmal. Stuart's #'s were still pretty poop with Trouba |
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Flyers would probably have to throw in a pick/prospect or 2.
But yeah, i wouldn't do it fron the flyers prespective.
Sanheim, streit and a couple picks/prospects close to me. - Tumbleweed
The thing that is missing from this point is that Trouba will sign for a reasonable amount. Him wanting out of Winnipeg has nothing to do with money. Trouba is going to be a franchise defenseman. If I had my way he would be happy playing here and sign.
Unfortunately that is not the case. Franchise defensemen do not grow on trees. When I am thinking of a return for Trouba, it better include either 1. a franchise center, 2. a franchise defenseman, or 3. a highly touted prospect that is ready to play now as part of a larger package. That is why I do not understand the reluctance of Flyers fans who do not want to part with a prospect like Provorov. You are getting a franchise USA born defenseman. He would be a marketers dream in a market like that! Remember that Pronger went up and down for his first few seasons as well.
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To TheUltimateJet
Stop throwing Copp in to Trouba deals. Throw in Lowry, Burmistrov, or literally any of our AHL prospects. Copp is better than Lowry, and has a much higher ceiling. I dont care if he and Trouba are friends.
To Ross77
Postma and Morrissey were the two best defenceman on the ice for us. In fact, they were the best Jets on the ice not named Tanev. Those two were so good together i expect them to walk on to the 3rd pairing together with Morrissey taking Trouba's PP time. Postma is an NHLer now, and has been for 2 years. Get over it.
To anyone who can tell me why quoting never works for me no matter what device im using: please help me... - Rexypoo
sorry pal, you are wrong!! Postma has not been, nor will he be a regular NHL Defenceman. I'd be shocked if he plays more than 25 games this year, or any year in the future for any NHL team. Wish I knew you better so we could bet!!
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Mordecai
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The thing that is missing from this point is that Trouba will sign for a reasonable amount. Him wanting out of Winnipeg has nothing to do with money. Trouba is going to be a franchise defenseman. If I had my way he would be happy playing here and sign.
Unfortunately that is not the case. Franchise defensemen do not grow on trees. When I am thinking of a return for Trouba, it better include either 1. a franchise center, 2. a franchise defenseman, or 3. a highly touted prospect that is ready to play now as part of a larger package. That is why I do not understand the reluctance of Flyers fans who do not want to part with a prospect like Provorov. You are getting a franchise USA born defenseman. He would be a marketers dream in a market like that! Remember that Pronger went up and down for his first few seasons as well. - TheUltimateJet
That's the thing. Not all of us see Trouba as a "franchise defenseman". It's not that his #'s haven't been good, they have. Just not "franchise" level good. And at this point, PHI cannot afford to miss out on getting that #1 guy. We already have a prospect showing signs of being that guy, why give up on him now? Ivan may just be ready to play in the NHL right now as well. |
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You're an idiot. Probably. - BINGO!
That's probably it *shrug* |
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sorry pal, you are wrong!! Postma has not been, nor will he be a regular NHL Defenceman. I'd be shocked if he plays more than 25 games this year, or any year in the future for any NHL team. Wish I knew you better so we could bet!! - Ross77
Again. Has produced at an elite pace at every level aside from the NHL, where he has seen no PP time. He makes all of his linemates better. His defence has improved dramatically over the last 2 years. He's big, has high end speed, and makes a great first pass. He also had an absolute bomb of a shot. He's an NHL player. The numbers back me up on this. |
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Mordecai
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Again. Has produced at an elite pace at every level aside from the NHL, where he has seen no PP time. He makes all of his linemates better. His defence has improved dramatically over the last 2 years. He's big, has high end speed, and makes a great first pass. He also had an absolute bomb of a shot. He's an NHL player. The numbers back me up on this. - Rexypoo
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Again. Has produced at an elite pace at every level aside from the NHL, where he has seen no PP time. He makes all of his linemates better. His defence has improved dramatically over the last 2 years. He's big, has high end speed, and makes a great first pass. He also had an absolute bomb of a shot. He's an NHL player. The numbers back me up on this. - Rexypoo
The numbers do not back you up!! He has not be anywhere close to elite in the AHL and has never been a regular in the NHL. He looks great great skating in a straight line, thats it!! He Cant play Defense!! When he inevitably gets waived and maybe picked up to only be waived again over the next two years before exiting the league, I just hope your man enough to admit you were wrong and not spew more excuses.
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The numbers do not back you up!! He has not be anywhere close to elite in the AHL and has never been a regular in the NHL. He looks great great skating in a straight line, thats it!! He Cant play Defense!! When he inevitably gets waived and maybe picked up to only be waived again over the next two years before exiting the league, I just hope your man enough to admit you were wrong and not spew more excuses. - Ross77
Postma has had 145 points in 226 games at the AHL level. When you consider his totals consistently trended up every year, id say averaging 49 points every year in the AHL since he was 20 is fairly elite. He doesn't allow many shots or goals compared to the average NHL defenceman and doesn't give away the puck very much. You can say he can't play defence all you want, but the eye test always loses to the numbers. |
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They should call the Penguins and beg for Oli Maatta... might have to thrown in a second and take a contract back to make it happen... but it would be worth it. |
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Mordecai
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They should call the Penguins and beg for Oli Maatta... might have to thrown in a second and take a contract back to make it happen... but it would be worth it. - Brianandr1
Trouba>Maatta skill wise. |
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