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James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Sep 29 @ 1:03 PM ET
I doubt the Ducks go Trouba for Fowler 1 for 1 let alone Fowler + . When/ if the ducks move one of their D-men they are going to want young cheap expansion draft exempt players who are ready to jump in for 2017/2018 I would be surprised to see them make a move before the draft, shocked to see it before the trade deadline.

Personally I hope the leafs avoid the Trouba situation and look to the ducks around draft day to add a more experienced D-man.

- ky678468



Trouba is by far the best Dman available (unless the Ducks move Lindholm, but that would be insanity).

Trouba is to Fowler as Karlsson to Phaneuf - that's a huge gap and any sane person would launch themselves at the chance to get Trouba for Fowler.

You do however make a good point about the ducks and the expansion draft. Still, I think people are underrating Trouba - he's a future top 10 NHL dman.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Sep 29 @ 1:06 PM ET
You just said that Trouba paired with OEL would make the best defensive pair in the league. Meaning you believe that Trouba has franchise potential.

When OEL is mentioned as a possible trade target, you devalue Trouba.

Wow!!!!!

- TheUltimateJet



If OEL and Trouba were a pairing, I don't think theres more than 1 or 2 other pairs that you could even compare them too. However, that is because OEL is among the best players in the League. Trouba is really good but I don't know how you get them to be equals out of what I said.

OEL straight up for Patrick Laine is not something the Coyotes would do. Trouba and a package of picks for OEL is one of the worst trade proposals I've ever heard. If they were interested at all in trading OEL I am sure Auston Matthews would be a Coyote.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Sep 29 @ 1:10 PM ET
I think Trouba, Laine and a 2017 1st would totally get it done, but I don't think Chevy would offer that. Nevertheless, I don't think OEL is on the table either so this is moot really.

Tanner: Who do you think the Yotes would offer in exchange for Trouba?

EDIT: looking into their roster and prospect depth, I don't see a LHD that fits what Chevy's looking for.

- GstrangWondah



If the Jets are firm on their specific price, there would have to be a third team involved.


Coyotes could trade a couple prospects for Fowler, then flip Fowler with a first to the Jets for Trouba.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Sep 29 @ 1:30 PM ET
If OEL and Trouba were a pairing, I don't think theres more than 1 or 2 other pairs that you could even compare them too. However, that is because OEL is among the best players in the League. Trouba is really good but I don't know how you get them to be equals out of what I said.

OEL straight up for Patrick Laine is not something the Coyotes would do. Trouba and a package of picks for OEL is one of the worst trade proposals I've ever heard. If they were interested at all in trading OEL I am sure Auston Matthews would be a Coyote.

- James_Tanner



i also think trading Trouba for a bunch of Coyotes prospects is one of the worst trade proposals I have ever heard ! Now if maybe Max Domi was included......
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

Sep 29 @ 1:40 PM ET
Edmonton would not offer much if anything more than Nurse. He is expansion exempt. Trading Trouba for Nurse means they need to protect Trouba and leave one of their other assets available. Trouba may be a slight upgrade at the position and be a current position of need, but 3 years down the road Nurse could be a superior player making it too risky. Now if Winnipeg would talk something like Davidson + Yakupov then the ball could get rolling.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Sep 29 @ 1:53 PM ET
Trouba + Copp ( or similar prospect ) for Hanefin .

Carolina needs a few prospects. Trade could work. I truly beleive the Chevy wants a top 2 left handed dman and has way more forward prospects than he will even need. At some point its only fair to some of these players that he trades them because they would be at least third or fourth line starters on many bottom 15 teams. I think any trade is for a LH dman equal or better than Trouba and he will sweeten the pot to get it done with one or more prospects.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Sep 29 @ 1:58 PM ET
Trouba + Copp ( or similar prospect ) for Hanefin .

Carolina needs a few prospects. Trade could work. I truly beleive the Chevy wants a top 2 left handed dman and has way more forward prospects than he will even need. At some point its only fair to some of these players that he trades them because they would be at least third or fourth line starters on many bottom 15 teams. I think any trade is for a LH dman equal or better than Trouba and he will sweeten the pot to get it done with one or more prospects.

- jetsnation


The canes already have Faulk and Slavin on the right side. Hanifin isn't going anywhere. Cornerstone player.

Max.Betts
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 09.30.2015

Sep 29 @ 2:08 PM ET
What a surprise, the oilers blogger thinks the best fit is Edmonton and the coyotes blogger thinks Arizona is the best fit
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Sep 29 @ 2:10 PM ET
FLYERS !
They have an abundance of LHD's.
Girouxsalem90
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Upstate, NY
Joined: 05.28.2013

Sep 29 @ 2:16 PM ET
What a surprise, the oilers blogger thinks the best fit is Edmonton and the coyotes blogger thinks Arizona is the best fit
- Max.Betts

Where do you think the best fit would be, I want your hot take.
Girouxsalem90
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Upstate, NY
Joined: 05.28.2013

Sep 29 @ 2:18 PM ET
FLYERS !
They have an abundance of LHD's.

- bennythehat

This is true, but the only ones who would be able to get close his value are ghost or provy, neither of whom I would be keen on shipping out.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Sep 29 @ 2:31 PM ET
This is true, but the only ones who would be able to get close his value are ghost or provy, neither of whom I would be keen on shipping out.
- Girouxsalem90


Yet the buzz around Winnipeg in the inner circles is that it is in fact Provorov that they are closest to a deal with. The only bump is taking a bit of salary back and how much Jets are willing to take.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 29 @ 2:40 PM ET
Yet the buzz around Winnipeg in the inner circles is that it is in fact Provorov that they are closest to a deal with. The only bump is taking a bit of salary back and how much Jets are willing to take.
- jetsnation


that would be pretty shocking.

calgary paid no where near a provorov to get hamilton
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Sep 29 @ 3:04 PM ET
To TheUltimateJet
Stop throwing Copp in to Trouba deals. Throw in Lowry, Burmistrov, or literally any of our AHL prospects. Copp is better than Lowry, and has a much higher ceiling. I dont care if he and Trouba are friends.

To Ross77
Postma and Morrissey were the two best defenceman on the ice for us. In fact, they were the best Jets on the ice not named Tanev. Those two were so good together i expect them to walk on to the 3rd pairing together with Morrissey taking Trouba's PP time. Postma is an NHLer now, and has been for 2 years. Get over it.

To anyone who can tell me why quoting never works for me no matter what device im using: please help me...
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Sep 29 @ 3:07 PM ET
If the Jets are firm on their specific price, there would have to be a third team involved.


Coyotes could trade a couple prospects for Fowler, then flip Fowler with a first to the Jets for Trouba.

- James_Tanner


Id do it. Im just waiting to see what the haul is for Trouba. Buffalo's GM got bent over a barrel in the Kane/Myers deal. Id wait another 3 years for a player-for-player trade if its that lopsided for the Jets again.
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

Sep 29 @ 3:08 PM ET
that would be pretty shocking.

calgary paid no where near a provorov to get hamilton

- Tumbleweed


Provorov isn't worth a 15th, 45th, and 52nd overall picks?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 29 @ 3:10 PM ET
Provorov isn't worth a 15th, 45th, and 52nd overall picks?
- wreckage


More...


Edit: maybe Calgary's underpayment isn't a good example
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

Sep 29 @ 3:18 PM ET
More...


Edit: maybe Calgary's underpayment isn't a good example

- Tumbleweed


Of the 3 mentioned players Dougie is the best. So I'd think that sets the precident of the value. And right now seeing as how Provorov hasn't played a single shift of pro hockey Trouba has higher value than Provorov. Not to say he won't be better in the long run, but right now he (Trouba) is worth more.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 29 @ 3:26 PM ET
Of the 3 mentioned players Dougie is the best. So I'd think that sets the precident of the value. And right now seeing as how Provorov hasn't played a single shift of pro hockey Trouba has higher value than Provorov. Not to say he won't be better in the long run, but right now he is worth more.
- wreckage


Provorov is a good prospect. But yeah, trouba > Provorov in terms of trade value.

Good on chevy if he gets a quality piece like Provorov back vs. a package of quantity. My guess is ends up settling for a package of quantity...but we'll see.
MinJaBen
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: Durham, NC
Joined: 08.07.2013

Sep 29 @ 3:27 PM ET
Trouba + Copp ( or similar prospect ) for Hanefin .

Carolina needs a few prospects. Trade could work. I truly beleive the Chevy wants a top 2 left handed dman and has way more forward prospects than he will even need. At some point its only fair to some of these players that he trades them because they would be at least third or fourth line starters on many bottom 15 teams. I think any trade is for a LH dman equal or better than Trouba and he will sweeten the pot to get it done with one or more prospects.

- jetsnation


Canes could probably make something work for Trouba with Slavin or Hanifin, but they would need to be paid more than Copp as a sweetener. Not because the value isn't about right, but they have no need to get more expensive or a need for middle six talent. The Canes need top line forward talent. If they are trading either Slavin or Hanifin (they aren't) then they would be looking first at a #1C or at least a #1RW talent. Without that coming back, no need to trade a 1st or 2nd line LHD on an ELC for a 2nd line RHD that cost more than $5M per year.
MinJaBen
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: Durham, NC
Joined: 08.07.2013

Sep 29 @ 3:28 PM ET
The canes already have Faulk and Slavin on the right side. Hanifin isn't going anywhere. Cornerstone player.
- Mordecai


Slavin is a LHD, not a RHD. The youngster we have on the right you might be thinking of is Pesce. Also good, but not the same level of potential as Hanifin and Slavin on the left.
Max.Betts
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 09.30.2015

Sep 29 @ 3:30 PM ET
Where do you think the best fit would be, I want your hot take.
- Girouxsalem90


In alphabetical order: Anaheim, Boston, Carolina
MinJaBen
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: Durham, NC
Joined: 08.07.2013

Sep 29 @ 3:34 PM ET
Carolina certainly has the pieces to make this deal...and absolutely no need or incentive to do so. So, if there is a sweetener worth the price of giving up a 1st or 2nd line LHD on an ELC for two more years and are also expansion draft protected, then Carolina might listen. But there will be no one-for-one deals between Carolina and the Jets for Trouba.
Max.Betts
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 09.30.2015

Sep 29 @ 3:34 PM ET
Canes could probably make something work for Trouba with Slavin or Hanifin, but they would need to be paid more than Copp as a sweetener. Not because the value isn't about right, but they have no need to get more expensive or a need for middle six talent. The Canes need top line forward talent. If they are trading either Slavin or Hanifin (they aren't) then they would be looking first at a #1C or at least a #1RW talent. Without that coming back, no need to trade a 1st or 2nd line LHD on an ELC for a 2nd line RHD that cost more than $5M per year.
- MinJaBen


Slavin wasnt much of a prospect UNTIL last year. No way he is the main piece for Trouba and no way does he alone yield a top 6 forward in a 1 for 1 trade.

I think if Carolina and Winnipeg make this happen it will likely be for Haydn Fleury then they sink or swim with Josh Morrissey at 2LD this year.
MinJaBen
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: Durham, NC
Joined: 08.07.2013

Sep 29 @ 3:43 PM ET
Slavin wasnt much of a prospect UNTIL last year. No way he is the main piece for Trouba and no way does he alone yield a top 6 forward in a 1 for 1 trade.

I think if Carolina and Winnipeg make this happen it will likely be for Haydn Fleury then they sink or swim with Josh Morrissey at 2LD this year.

- Max.Betts



I think Slavin was more highly thought of within the organization than without, so I actually agree with you here on this one. He has way more value in house than he would bring back on trade. I think the organization also believes that Hanifin is of equal value, so he probably would not be moved at this point as well because the return would not justify the move. I would be open to a Fleury for Trouba move, but I doubt that gets it done from the Jets side. Fleury still has some more development to go through, so the Jets probably would need a sweetener of some sort and I doubt the Canes are willing to pay it when we already have Faulk, Pesce, Murphy and McKeown on the right side. The only way I'd do that if I was the GM would be to immediately flip him back to the Oilers for RNH or something similar. Kind of like the Boston trade of Martin Jones.
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