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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Sep 29 @ 10:24 AM ET
You don't think he can beat out 2 of Read, Lyubinov, and Vandevelde?
- jmatchett383



I would say Vandevelde right now is on the outside looking in. I liked Lyubinov's speed and he plays the same game as Vandevelde. Might be able to produce more.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Sep 29 @ 10:27 AM ET
Offensively the Flyers really only lack a top 6 winger. They have an abundance of bottom 6 guys. I wasnt very keen on the Gordon signing (Im still not), but it seems as though his spot is pretty safe because he wins faceoffs.

If I were in charge I would probably go with this:

Schenn-G-Voracek
TK-Couts-Simmer
Laughton-Cousins-Raffl/Read
Raffl/Read-Bellemare-Weiss
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Sep 29 @ 10:27 AM ET
You don't think he can beat out 2 of Read, Lyubinov, and Vandevelde?
- jmatchett383


I think he can beat them out, but I think he preferably plays top line minutes in the AHL
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Sep 29 @ 10:32 AM ET
I think he can beat them out, but I think he preferably plays top line minutes in the AHL
- YuenglingJagr


No can do he's 19 and born in March. It's Sarnia or Philly this year.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 29 @ 10:33 AM ET
No can do he's 19 and born in March. It's Sarnia or Philly this year.
- dragonoffrost


Laughton, not Konecny

And can we please not refer to Konecny as "TK?" It makes me think of Tyler Kennedy.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Sep 29 @ 10:34 AM ET
No can do he's 19 and born in March. It's Sarnia or Philly this year.
- dragonoffrost

facts, man. facts!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 29 @ 10:37 AM ET
I think if Konecny is on the team, Laughton is not
- YuenglingJagr


Agreed. That may be the one roster spot open to Konecny
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Sep 29 @ 10:38 AM ET
I still think he gets moved this year. If Cousins continues to play well in the middle I think it bumps Laughton as a trade piece or he could get bumped by a more natural winger.

But you never know. maybe a move to the wing helps laughton kind of how it has helped Schenn become a solid player.

- J35Bacher

what kind of return will you get for laughton though?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Sep 29 @ 10:44 AM ET
I still think he gets moved this year. If Cousins continues to play well in the middle I think it bumps Laughton as a trade piece or he could get bumped by a more natural winger.

But you never know. maybe a move to the wing helps laughton kind of how it has helped Schenn become a solid player.

- J35Bacher


I dont think Laughton gets moved. I dont think he should. Only way I see him getting moved is in an expansion draft scenario...lots of moving parts there
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 29 @ 10:44 AM ET
what kind of return will you get for laughton though?
- rinaldo


Nichushkin
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Sep 29 @ 10:45 AM ET
Nichushkin
- jmatchett383

dont see that
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Sep 29 @ 10:46 AM ET
dont see that
- rinaldo


get better sources
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 29 @ 10:49 AM ET
dont see that
- rinaldo


From whose end? The Flyers, Dallas, or the KHL?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Sep 29 @ 10:57 AM ET
From whose end? The Flyers, Dallas, or the KHL?
- jmatchett383

lands?
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Sep 29 @ 10:59 AM ET
From whose end? The Flyers, Dallas, or the KHL?
- jmatchett383

Whose end? Someone too close to the dairy air.

/pun
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Sep 29 @ 10:59 AM ET
The thing with Konecny is that he has to outplay the top 6 to get a roster spot if you are trying to get in Hexy's/Hack's head

So basically its to knock Simmonds, Schenn, Voracek, or Laughton(?)/Raffl out of one of the top 6 wing spots.

The next question is can he fulfill a bottom six role as the player he is? There is no doubt he is a skilled kid, and more skilled than any of those bottom six we have. But is he suited for that role?

I am willing to say yes, get him on the team and let it work itself out. I have no problem with him taking a roster spot from Chris Vandevelde. Vandevelde can be replaced in his role by any number of players, Bellamare, Laughton, Gordon, Wiese, Read, Cousins.....

- MBFlyerfan


Why can't Konecny be on a 3rd line? We just saw the Stanley Cup winner ice a 3rd line with Kessel on it. It's ok to have skill in your bottom 6
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Sep 29 @ 11:00 AM ET
The thing with Konecny is that he has to outplay the top 6 to get a roster spot if you are trying to get in Hexy's/Hack's head

So basically its to knock Simmonds, Schenn, Voracek, or Laughton(?)/Raffl out of one of the top 6 wing spots.

The next question is can he fulfill a bottom six role as the player he is? There is no doubt he is a skilled kid, and more skilled than any of those bottom six we have. But is he suited for that role?

I am willing to say yes, get him on the team and let it work itself out. I have no problem with him taking a roster spot from Chris Vandevelde. Vandevelde can be replaced in his role by any number of players, Bellamare, Laughton, Gordon, Wiese, Read, Cousins.....

- MBFlyerfan


Why can't Konecny play on the third line?

Edit: Leight by 1 minute
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Sep 29 @ 11:00 AM ET
I dont think Laughton gets moved. I dont think he should. Only way I see him getting moved is in an expansion draft scenario...lots of moving parts there
- YuenglingJagr



He is in a tough spot. He has seemed to be past by now at center with Cousins. You also have more natural wingers in Leier, Aube-Kubel, Lindholm, and others that can play bottom 6 roles.

I think he needs a solid season or he could be moved.

In regards to value maybe a player like Nichushkin or someone else where a team might not see their prospect developing like they want.

I would rather see a move like that than lose him in the expansion draft.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Sep 29 @ 11:01 AM ET
Offensively the Flyers really only lack a top 6 winger. They have an abundance of bottom 6 guys. I wasnt very keen on the Gordon signing (Im still not), but it seems as though his spot is pretty safe because he wins faceoffs.

If I were in charge I would probably go with this:

Schenn-G-Voracek
TK-Couts-Simmer
Laughton-Cousins-Raffl/Read
Raffl/Read-Bellemare-Weiss

- jak521



That's pretty good. Only change I might make is Raffl to the 3rd line LW with Weise on the RW. 4th line of Laughton/Bellemare-Gordon/Bellemare-Read
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Sep 29 @ 11:02 AM ET
That's pretty good. Only change I might make is Raffl to the 3rd line LW with Weise on the RW. 4th line of Laughton/Bellemare-Gordon/Bellemare-Read
- Just5


Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Sep 29 @ 11:04 AM ET
Why can't Konecny be on a 3rd line? We just saw the Stanley Cup winner ice a 3rd line with Kessel on it. It's ok to have skill in your bottom 6
- Just5



Buffalo's 2006-2007 team had 3 scoring lines. You (supposedly) end up with less defensive pieces but who cares if they're 180' away from their own net most of the time.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 29 @ 11:04 AM ET
Why can't Konecny be on a 3rd line? We just saw the Stanley Cup winner ice a 3rd line with Kessel on it. It's ok to have skill in your bottom 6
- Just5


Yes, but only if you have a good amount of skill in your top-6. If we can get the offensive equivalent of Malkin and Kunitz on our second line, then you can spread the wealth around a bit. I don't think we have that luxury.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Sep 29 @ 11:06 AM ET
I dont think Laughton gets moved. I dont think he should. Only way I see him getting moved is in an expansion draft scenario...lots of moving parts there
- YuenglingJagr


I would trade Bellemare or try to trade Read before discussing moving Laughton. Nothing against Bellemare, but I like Laughts age and potential still. And after Bellemare's impressive tourney for team Euro he may be easy to move. Just a thought and a preference over trading Laughton.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Sep 29 @ 11:06 AM ET
I would say Vandevelde right now is on the outside looking in. I liked Lyubinov's speed and he plays the same game as Vandevelde. Might be able to produce more.
- J35Bacher


If everyone is healthy and VDV is in the starting lineup, I'll be pretty pissed
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Sep 29 @ 11:07 AM ET
He is in a tough spot. He has seemed to be past by now at center with Cousins. You also have more natural wingers in Leier, Aube-Kubel, Lindholm, and others that can play bottom 6 roles.

I think he needs a solid season or he could be moved.

In regards to value maybe a player like Nichushkin or someone else where a team might not see their prospect developing like they want.

I would rather see a move like that than lose him in the expansion draft.

- J35Bacher


Is natural winger really a thing?
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