Of course they can be. But before crucifying a guy for something, it's better to look into the data and see if it supports your opinion.

http://www.sportingcharts...giveaways-statistic/2015/

Gards had 74 giveaways in 79 games. Not great for sure, but less than one giveaway a game is hardly unsurmountable. Especially when you see that guys with more giveaways per game include Subban, Brodie, Burns, Doughty, Muzzin, Big Buff, Seabrook, Klingberg and Letang.
- lumlums

Guys with the puck a lot tend to give it away more.

you don't recognize my smiling face?! heart breaker.
- Lucas.Neilson

look at those eyes....YOU ARE THE DEVIL!

That's why his team mates stand in front of the net.. So, they won't get hit by a letter high clapper.
- bixll

So true, I remember when Phaneuf broke Lupul's arm....he was standing wide left side of the net.

Guys with the puck a lot tend to give it away more.
- burn

yeah, offensive D's playing 25m on average per game tend to turn the puck more often.

hey guys,

I'm going to include this in my next couple blogs - not sure the best way to upload it so you can all download it.

But i've made my Leafs schedule for the season - and wanted to share with all my readers and posters.

any ideas?

Guys with the puck a lot tend to give it away more.
- burn

That too.

look at those eyes....YOU ARE THE DEVIL!
- Symba007

yeah i could photoshop them out, but that seems like a lot of work!

So true, I remember when Phaneuf broke Lupul's arm....he was standing wide left side of the net.
- underhill14

That was the worst... wide wide left.

I heard that's how they convinced JVR to be the front of the net guy on the PP.

Of course they can be. But before crucifying a guy for something, it's better to look into the data and see if it supports your opinion.

http://www.sportingcharts...giveaways-statistic/2015/

Gards had 74 giveaways in 79 games. Not great for sure, but less than one giveaway a game is hardly unsurmountable. Especially when you see that guys with more giveaways per game include Subban, Brodie, Burns, Doughty, Muzzin, Big Buff, Seabrook, Klingberg and Letang.
- lumlums

It's not the amount, it's the quality of the giveways that directly leads to a goal. Plus those players play against the best players, you cannot compare, again it goes to my problem with the stats.

He has a career high of 19 points and he makes more than 2m/yr. It looks like he gets enough credit to me.
- 1979AD

Good point.

- Lucas.Neilson

Is that you Lucas?

- Lucas.Neilson

Who's the fat guy on the left?

I look beyond just the stats, like the blatant giveways, bonehead passes, bad positioning, terrible pinches, things that are not measured by subjective stats.
- LeafMan

You still didn't answer my question, who do you think is a quality D man ???


Looking beyond the stats....

Is that you Lucas?
- bixll

here is a picture of my son and I this summer, his second fish caught

look at his face, very proud!!

Who's the fat guy on the left?
- Unholy-Goalie

just shy of 200 you bastard

here is a picture of my son and I this summer, his second fish caught

look at his face, very proud!!


- Lucas.Neilson

This is awesome Lucas. Look at the smile on his face.. Well done.

You still didn't answer my question, who do you think is a quality D man ???
- bixll

On the Leafs?

Right now only Rielly, jury is still out on Zaitsev. I like Carrick, Neilson and Dermott coming though.

here is a picture of my son and I this summer, his second fish caught

look at his face, very proud!!


- Lucas.Neilson

THAT is awesome bud!

On the Leafs?

Right now only Rielly, jury is still out on Zaitsev. I like Carrick, Neilson and Dermott coming though.
- LeafMan

League wide.

League wide.
- bixll

Every team has at least one.

I still believe the best all round d man is Doughty.

here is a picture of my son and I this summer, his second fish caught

look at his face, very proud!!


- Lucas.Neilson

Can't tell who's more excited. very nice Lucas.


My youngest caught her first this summer. She was so excited.

Of course they can be. But before crucifying a guy for something, it's better to look into the data and see if it supports your opinion.

http://www.sportingcharts...giveaways-statistic/2015/

Gards had 74 giveaways in 79 games. Not great for sure, but less than one giveaway a game is hardly unsurmountable. Especially when you see that guys with more giveaways per game include Subban, Brodie, Burns, Doughty, Muzzin, Big Buff, Seabrook, Klingberg and Letang.
- lumlums

I think Gards made terrible plays when he first came into the league and its kind of stuck with him. Last season was his best season, does he still make mistakes - yep but he has improved. His skating creates time/space on the ice, probably why the stats indicate he is good at getting the puck out of the zone. As a 3/4 Gards is just fine, and given the cost of today's D really nothing to fuss over.

Every team has at least one.

I still believe the best all round d man is Doughty.
- LeafMan

I agree.

just shy of 200 you bastard


- Lucas.Neilson

Grabowski

How about this?

remember when kadri was 3C - he was vs lower level D pairings, and he was great.

marner should do even better, if thats the case, considering how good lines 1 and 2 SHOULD be.
- Lucas.Neilson

Will also help Bozak on the third line as well, should be able to bang home some of those nice saucers from Marner.