Bailey for Trouba and a conditional 2022 3rd rounder

Bailey for Trouba and a conditional 2022 3rd rounder
- eichiefs9

wow big if true

The expansion draft sure makes this situation a lot more complicated. I think Lindholm or Fowler are the obvious targets for the Jets but they may have to settle for a guy like Hadyn Fleury.

I like the Jets. I like the toughness and character they show as an undersized team. I think they've got a lot of young guys who need some time, but this will be a very good team 3-5 years.

I also think this is a good opportunity to upgrade down the middle. Little is fine and has a no trade so i'm not suggesting he goes now, but when his contract is up you do not want to bring him back as your 2C. A package for a big 2-way C could be more valuable than a LHD you can't protect in expansion draft or free agency.

Unfortunately the Jets have lost a lot of leverage in trade since this news went public. You can bet they put the feelers out over the summer and probably didn't get anywhere near the return they want, and now it's come to this.

I don't think TO is a good trading partner for a few reasons. The big one being money: there tight to the cap (until the end of the year), and I don't see them paying any d-men more then Reilly. Period. I don't know what Trouba's demands are, but they would have to fall in line with Gardiner's current salary.

Personally I'm not a big fan of Jake the snake and wouldn't mind seeing a deal straight up, but I don't think the Jets do it. I'm content with letting the current group in Toronto play and see what we've got. This team is going to stink it up for at least another year or two regardless, so might as well.
- leafsfann

Toronto isn't really in a bind when it comes to cap space. Sure, during the offseason it looks like they are dying, but in all reality they have upwards of 13mil to spend thanks to LTIR and what not. Granted, you don't want to get into a sticky situation, but that 13 mil is still useful. The deciding factor is def the 50 contract limit in which they are at 47. But swapping an active player for an active player wouldn't make it better or worse.

The expansion draft sure makes this situation a lot more complicated. I think Lindholm or Fowler are the obvious targets for the Jets but they may have to settle for a guy like Hadyn Fleury.

I like the Jets. I like the toughness and character they show as an undersized team. I think they've got a lot of young guys who need some time, but this will be a very good team 3-5 years.

I also think this is a good opportunity to upgrade down the middle. Little is fine and has a no trade so i'm not suggesting he goes now, but when his contract is up you do not want to bring him back as your 2C. A package for a big 2-way C could be more valuable than a LHD you can't protect in expansion draft or free agency.
- Max.Betts

Jets have Jack Roslovic and Nik Petan in the minors. Both have 2nd line Center potential. Little is a great two way Centre and has shown he can score. Only Center I would be willing to trade Trouba for is Matt Duchesne.

Do not also forget we got Lowry, Perrault, Burmistrov, Dano, and Copp. All can play Center as well.

you really want the cast off piece from one of the worst deals Toronto ever made? kid will be lucky to be a bottom six forward... let alone a topper in a deal for Trouba... Marner, Nylander are the only additions worth adding toGardiner to make this even discuss-able.

you really want the cast off piece from one of the worst deals Toronto ever made? kid will be lucky to be a bottom six forward... let alone a topper in a deal for Trouba... Marner, Nylander are the only additions worth adding toGardiner to make this even discuss-able.
- ChrisMS

You're high. Next time wipe the Doritos off your finger tips before you type....

you really want the cast off piece from one of the worst deals Toronto ever made? kid will be lucky to be a bottom six forward... let alone a topper in a deal for Trouba... Marner, Nylander are the only additions worth adding toGardiner to make this even discuss-able.
- ChrisMS

sorry forgot to add sarcasm font for the ridiculous part of the quote above?

The expansion draft sure makes this situation a lot more complicated. I think Lindholm or Fowler are the obvious targets for the Jets but they may have to settle for a guy like Hadyn Fleury.

I like the Jets. I like the toughness and character they show as an undersized team. I think they've got a lot of young guys who need some time, but this will be a very good team 3-5 years.

I also think this is a good opportunity to upgrade down the middle. Little is fine and has a no trade so i'm not suggesting he goes now, but when his contract is up you do not want to bring him back as your 2C. A package for a big 2-way C could be more valuable than a LHD you can't protect in expansion draft or free agency.
- Max.Betts

A: the Jets are not a small team by any means. They're too 5 in average height and weight last time I checked
B: unless there is a clearly superior replacement for Little, we can't afford to not bring him back. We have two first line centres, no reason to let one walk.
C: Trouba will go for a lefty on the back end, not a forward. The Jets already have more than 12 NHL forwards.

Jets have Jack Roslovic and Nik Petan in the minors. Both have 2nd line Center potential. Little is a great two way Centre and has shown he can score. Only Center I would be willing to trade Trouba for is Matt Duchesne.

Do not also forget we got Lowry, Perrault, Burmistrov, Dano, and Copp. All can play Center as well.
- TheUltimateJet

You continually throw out bizarre one sided trade proposals, no one will take you serious, get a grip!

you really want the cast off piece from one of the worst deals Toronto ever made? kid will be lucky to be a bottom six forward... let alone a topper in a deal for Trouba... Marner, Nylander are the only additions worth adding toGardiner to make this even discuss-able.
- ChrisMS

Oh

you really want the cast off piece from one of the worst deals Toronto ever made? kid will be lucky to be a bottom six forward... let alone a topper in a deal for Trouba... Marner, Nylander are the only additions worth adding toGardiner to make this even discuss-able.
- ChrisMS

you really want the cast off piece from one of the worst deals Toronto ever made? kid will be lucky to be a bottom six forward... let alone a topper in a deal for Trouba... Marner, Nylander are the only additions worth adding toGardiner to make this even discuss-able.
- ChrisMS

This is pretty silly. I'm not sure if you're being serious, but if you are in think you're over valuing Trouba. Drastically.

- Steven_Seagull

appropriate response is 'derp'

Iv said this a few times , Gardiner is truly underrated. im not apposed to Trouba coming to Toronto but not at that cost. i dont even think i would even do a strait trade let alone a really promising prospect. I dont know if Trouba would fit it on Babs kind of team.
- SteelmanTO

And I think he's overrated....everybody creams about his Corsi but he only plays against 2nd 3rd 4th lines....the odd team he gets a Malkin type player and his Corsi dives to 40. He's ok as long as he's hidden from the big boys of the league.

it's funny to me when anyone suggests the Jets have lost leverage or have to consider less than what they want. Trouba has ZERO, ZIP, NOTTA, NO leverage!! If he signs an offer sheet, Jets can match, if he doesn't sign with Winnipeg before December first, he doesn't collect a paycheck or play in the NHL this year.

The Jets can contend for the play-offs without him and unless someone steps up and makes a deal like the Jets got for Evander chances are very slim Chevy bites.

All it takes is two teams to really, really want him and the bidding war begins. If I'm wrong and it's all low ball offers than Trouba can enjoy skating and practicing with his college team, cause that's where he'll stay

If the Jets dont like the D depth in camp then they can reach out to Russell or Seidenberg.

it's funny to me when anyone suggests the Jets have lost leverage or have to consider less than what they want. Trouba has ZERO, ZIP, NOTTA, NO leverage!! If he signs an offer sheet, Jets can match, if he doesn't sign with Winnipeg before December first, he doesn't collect a paycheck or play in the NHL this year.

The Jets can contend for the play-offs without him and unless someone steps up and makes a deal like the Jets got for Evander chances are very slim Chevy bites.

All it takes is two teams to really, really want him and the bidding war begins. If I'm wrong and it's all low ball offers than Trouba can enjoy skating and practicing with his college team, cause that's where he'll stay

If the Jets dont like the D depth in camp then they can reach out to Russell or Seidenberg.
- Ross77

understandable - and sensible.

is the expectation that Trouba would sign for less money than both DustinB and TylerM make? What is the expectation around where Trouba would fit in the salary structure?

it's funny to me when anyone suggests the Jets have lost leverage or have to consider less than what they want. Trouba has ZERO, ZIP, NOTTA, NO leverage!! If he signs an offer sheet, Jets can match, if he doesn't sign with Winnipeg before December first, he doesn't collect a paycheck or play in the NHL this year.

The Jets can contend for the play-offs without him and unless someone steps up and makes a deal like the Jets got for Evander chances are very slim Chevy bites.

All it takes is two teams to really, really want him and the bidding war begins. If I'm wrong and it's all low ball offers than Trouba can enjoy skating and practicing with his college team, cause that's where he'll stay

If the Jets dont like the D depth in camp then they can reach out to Russell or Seidenberg.
- Ross77

He will go to Russia or Europe and play. If that happens he collects a salary and will hurt his trade value as Pegg will get less with every passing month.

You continually throw out bizarre one sided trade proposals, no one will take you serious, get a grip!
- K-man25

We'll forgive me for being a fan of my team!

I don't go on this site to be taken seriously. It's all fun. I am sorry you think this is a place where people go to defend their PhD dissertations.

We'll forgive me for being a fan of my team!

I don't go on this site to be taken seriously. It's all fun. I am sorry you think this is a place where people go to defend their PhD dissertations.
- TheUltimateJet

understandable - and sensible.

is the expectation that Trouba would sign for less money than both DustinB and TylerM make? What is the expectation around where Trouba would fit in the salary structure?
- BorjeFan4Ever

I think the Jets would pay him what he is worth ( 4.5 - 5.5 ) per season and they have the cap space to fit that in. It would be less than Buff and more than Myers ( who signed a front loaded deal in Buffalo )

We have to remember this agent did this exact same thing with Ryan Johansen in Columbus. He ended up holding out wanting a trade, when it didnt happen he signed a bridge deal after missing the first month of the season. He obviously went on to still get traded, when Columbus got a deal that made sense and worked for them in Seth Jones

He will go to Russia or Europe and play. If that happens he collects a salary and will hurt his trade value as Pegg will get less with every passing month.
- JIwasinskiJr

I suppose he can go there and play, but I disagree the Jets will get less with every passing month!! Time will tell

Toronto isn't really in a bind when it comes to cap space. Sure, during the offseason it looks like they are dying, but in all reality they have upwards of 13mil to spend thanks to LTIR and what not. Granted, you don't want to get into a sticky situation, but that 13 mil is still useful. The deciding factor is def the 50 contract limit in which they are at 47. But swapping an active player for an active player wouldn't make it better or worse.
- BoxLoXZer

LTIR isn't the same is real cap space, especially when bonus overages are factored in, and we're due to have that become part of the conversation as more of the kids get playing time. That, and the true injury status of Robidas (and now Lupul?) has never really been fully disclosed.. LTIR is subject to the league and PA having a third party investigate. They never moved Robidas to the LTIR last year, because who knows what's really going on there. This isn't like Nathan Horton whom has quality of life issues.

Edit: interesting article on LTIR http://theleafsnation.com...o-be-cautious-in-using-it

Jets fans seem to have a very inflated sense of Trouba's value. He has demanded a trade which takes away from the team's negotiating power, and Gardiner has a lot more upside. You all expect to get rich of this trade. Not gonna happen. At least not from the Leafs while Lou is handling things.

Jets fans seem to have a very inflated sense of Trouba's value. He has demanded a trade which takes away from the team's negotiating power, and Gardiner has a lot more upside. You all expect to get rich of this trade. Not gonna happen. At least not from the Leafs while Lou is handling things.
- WestBrantKid

pot calling the kettle........

see my previous post about Jets losing power.