Our management isn't stupid none of our blue chip young guys are being traded. I don't think Shanny or Lou would be dumb enough to get rid of guys like Marner or Nylander. Trouba isn't even worth either of them IMO.
- Conquest

Finally, more sense...

He played 22 minutes per night last year and played them reasonably well........
- BINGO!

And how well would he have played them if he was top paiing against the other teams best?

The problem is how you define generational player. I agree Lemieux should be.

Eichel not so much. To be fair, I don't think Matthews is either. McDavid, probably.
- Thecakeisalie

Of course not.

GT's have the Bob McKenzie's of the world talking about them since they were 14/15, they dominate every level including the NHL, where they are immediately superstars. If they have a 'really good' NHL debut as an 18 year old, they're not a generational talent.

And the management and coaching staff in Winnipeg are so incompetent that they've insisted on doing this to the point Trouba is requesting a trade?
Just how stupid do you take the Winnipeg staff to be?

Or are you suggesting this whole trade request came completely out of the blue? If Trouba is really that important to Winni and that skilled compared to the others, does all this actually make sense?
- Thecakeisalie

Very. They've sucked forever.

if anything - we've "hardened" on her
- BorjeFan4Ever

If only those were Jorts!

Very. They've sucked forever.
- AdamFrench

Sounds like a professional opinion..

If only those were Jorts!
- Thecakeisalie

Is that all she measured..

Sounds like a professional opinion..
- the_eye

Yes

Yes
- AdamFrench

Also sounds like a professional opinion...

And the management and coaching staff in Winnipeg are so incompetent that they've insisted on doing this to the point Trouba is requesting a trade?
Just how stupid do you take the Winnipeg staff to be?

Or are you suggesting this whole trade request came completely out of the blue? If Trouba is really that important to Winni and that skilled compared to the others, does all this actually make sense?
- Thecakeisalie

the problem is trouba doesnt like being behind buff and myers... trouba doesnt see an opportunity to move up the depth chart on the right side.

normally i would say a player should earn it... but those top 2 guys arent going anywhere anytime soon.

The problem with trading for Trouba is that someone will over pay for him like the oilers did with Larsson because its most teams biggest need. So in order to get him you'll have to give up more than he's worth to outbid the poorly managed teams. Who ever trades for him will most likely lose the trade.
- HealthyScratch6

no doubt.

this combo would give them a LHD, another better LHD (apparently the 'peg doesn't like Stuart much and he's considered overpaid)... so Hunwick better and cheaper.

Is that all she measured..
- the_eye

I found that in pics for the combine.

They are very thorough at those things!

Also sounds like a professional opinion...
- the_eye

Mayhaps

Everyone on this site is making assumptions. You cannot function in life without making assumptions because we'll rarely ever have all the facts.

My first comment was simply that we DON'T KNOW if he will ever be a legitimate first pairing guy and suggesting trading away someone of the obvious skill of Nylander at this time is foolish. Most of the trade talk about Trouba ASSUMES Trouba is going to be a first pairing guy. He may never be.

Give Nylander at least this season (almost definitely in the NHL) to show what he can really do.
- Thecakeisalie

I did not once suggest to trade Nylander for him. I'm saying it's tiresome to hear people list their thoughts on these situations as if they are known facts. (aka locker room disputes, negotiations, inner-team interactions, etc)

Also sounds like a professional opinion...
- the_eye

on HB?

the problem is trouba doesnt like being behind buff and myers... trouba doesnt see an opportunity to move up the depth chart on the right side.

normally i would say a player should earn it... but those top 2 guys arent going anywhere anytime soon.
- Dozzer

This argument came about when someone suggested trading Nylander for Trouba.

My comment was that people are assuming Trouba is a bonafide 1st pairing guy. Maybe he will be eventually, but I don't think he's there yet and may never be.

If he was a legitimate first pair guy, don't you think he'd at least move past Myers on the depth chart?

This argument came about when someone suggested trading Nylander for Trouba.

My comment was that people are assuming Trouba is a bonafide 1st pairing guy. Maybe he will be eventually, but I don't think he's there yet and may never be.

If he was a legitimate first pair guy, don't you think he'd at least move past Myers on the depth chart?
- Thecakeisalie

trouba int worth nylander imo

an unsigned guy looking for a guaranteed top 4 spot? yeah.... that attitude would have to change before the leafs dealt for him

I did not once suggest to trade Nylander for him. I'm saying it's tiresome to hear people list their thoughts on these situations as if they are known facts. (aka locker room disputes, negotiations, inner-team interactions, etc)
- markmark

Dude, don't jump in a convo if you don't know the argument.

Go back to the first few pages on this blog. Someone suggested trading Nylander for Trouba, then others supported it. This is what i was arguing about this entire time!

As for people assuming, people arguing in support of trading for Trouba are making just as many assumptions as the people arguing against.

Trouba would give us a top paring for a long time...i would be willing to sacrifice Nylander for him. Not sure who would have to add...but with D being hard to find, i think we would add a bit. But what do i know. One thing i do know is I wouldn't deal Reilly or Marner for him.
- TincupCanuck

Page 4. This is why I was talking about "Trouba for Nylander"

Page 4. This is why I was talking about "Trouba for Nylander"
- Thecakeisalie

Which page is the one where you stop talking?

Dude, don't jump in a convo if you don't know the argument.

Go back to the first few pages on this blog. Someone suggested trading Nylander for Trouba, then others supported it. This is what i was arguing about this entire time!

As for people assuming, people arguing in support of trading for Trouba are making just as many assumptions as the people arguing against.
- Thecakeisalie

Exactly one whole person suggested and was told a variety of reasons why it wasn't a good idea (to put it nicely).

But sure, you do you.

Going to play devils advocate here, and will get flack for it, but who is to say Nylander amounts to anything more then a 30 point 3rd liner? He has huge potential but may never reach it.

That could be the reasoning behind some peoples thoughts on the trade of Trouba/Nylander. Both are young players with great potential, but no one knows how they will end up.

If only those were Jorts!
- Thecakeisalie

Going to play devils advocate here, and will get flack for it, but who is to say Nylander amounts to anything more then a 30 point 3rd liner? He has huge potential but may never reach it.

That could be the reasoning behind some peoples thoughts on the trade of Trouba/Nylander. Both are young players with great potential, but no one knows how they will end up.
- willdjr75

Thanks, cakeisalie.

Dude, don't jump in a convo if you don't know the argument.

Go back to the first few pages on this blog. Someone suggested trading Nylander for Trouba, then others supported it. This is what i was arguing about this entire time!

As for people assuming, people arguing in support of trading for Trouba are making just as many assumptions as the people arguing against.
- Thecakeisalie

As far as we know, the Leafs aren't even talking about it, but armchair GM's are on here.