Nurse + our 1st for Trouba + WPG's 2nd and call it a day.

Solid deal for both teams.
- EdmHockeyMan

I've seen this mentioned a few times and as a Jets fan I completely agree!!

Forget the Pens as a trade partner, we don't have the cap space although if you wanted to go Pouliot Trouba straight up (Pouliot I believe has a higher ceiling due to his offensive prowess (unproven to a large extent)), a few Pens fans will sign off on it.
- Aussiepenguin

If dollars aren't an issue, I can see Pens management valuing Trouba's health and being further along on the developmental curve. Whether that's enough for them to want to roll the dice and send either Maatta or Pouliot back is another story (as is the Pens' ability to pay Trouba what he is looking for). For the Jets I would take either player but both have question marks that would make me wary (health and stunted development) and I would balk at taking back too much salary. All in all, I wouldn't give them good odds to make a deal but I can picture the universe in which it happens.

I think Ryan Pulouk from the Islanders plus something makes sense

I think Ryan Pulouk from the Islanders plus something makes sense
- Ross77

Shoots right. Does not work.

Note: Posted this in the previous thread but it fits better here given the topic of the blog.

Here is a list of players that any deal for Trouba likely starts and ends with (as in other parts can be added by either team to make perceived fair value but if one of these players is not coming back to the Jets then the deal won't happen at all):

ANA - Cam Fowler
ANA - Hampus Lindholm
ANA - Shea Theodore

ANA already has tons of young right-shot defencemen and may have trouble fitting in a contract for Trouba, not to mention that removal of any of the above three players creates a problem on the left side for ANA.

ARI - Jacob Chychrun

Jacob Chychrun was just drafted and WPG likely wants a player with more certainty as to their future ceiling as a NHL player.

BOS - Jakub Zboril

See note regarding Chychrun.

CAR - Noah Hanifin
CAR - Haydn Fleury

Hanifin is likely not a player CAR would even consider giving up and Fleury may not have the experience WPG wants.

COL - Nikita Zadorov
COL - Chris Bigras

WPG is not likely to want to trade within the division and both Zadorov and Bigras have had the shine wear off a bit as prospects (in particular, a prospect that has already been traded once such as Zadorov is far less appealing in a trade - see Dano, Marko).

CBJ - Ryan Murray
CBJ - Zach Werenski

CBJ would have to cut off its nose to spite its face here, so to speak, and if I were the WPG management Ryan Murray is not a player I particularly want if there are other options. Werenski I imagine would be a non-starter for CBJ given the esteem he is held in by their organization.

EDM - Oscar Klefbom
EDM - Darnell Nurse

Klefbom doesn't make much sense as EDM surely wants to keep hold of their de-facto top-pairing lefty. Nurse would certainly be a more interesting proposition to both teams, especially if EDM is comfortable with Davidson/Reinhart filling the 3LD/7D positions going into the season. EDM has almost the opposite problem of Winnipeg where they have almost too many left shots and not enough right shots.
MIN - Jonas Brodin

This trade is probably not possible within the division and between two teams that likely view one another as being competition for a playoff challenge.

MTL - Nathan Beaulieu
MTL - Mikhail Sergachev

Neither is a realistic option. If MTL trades Beaulieu then they don't have a partner for Weber. If MTL trades Sergachev then they don't have a replacement for Markov. Add in Weber and Petry as MTL's current right-side options and I doubt Trouba falls into any better of a situation than he currently is in in WPG (not that he gets a say unless a team demands the right to talk contract with him prior to pulling the trigger on the trade).

NSH - Mattias Ekholm

There are countless reasons why this deal wouldn't work, but Ekholm is certainly a player WPG should be interested in.

NYI - Nick Leddy

See the note on Ekholm.

OTT - Thomas Chabot

Like others mentioned previously, Chabot may be slightly too green to pique WPG's interest too much.

PHI - Shanye Gostisbehere
PHI - Ivan Provorov
PHI - Robert Hagg
PHI - Samuel Morin
PHI - Travis Sanheim

PHI looks like a good trading partner for WPG here with no fewer than 5 options to pursue. All of PHI's top defence prospects are left-handed so they are potentially facing a log-jam in the future trying to fit all of these names in and WPG could help them out (and move Trouba out of the conference completely). Provorov and Gostisbehere may be a little too much to ask for without WPG adding more but Morin and Sanheim could be good choices as well.

PIT - Olli Maatta
PIT - Derrick Pouliot

These teams would make surprising trading partners and PIT would be hard pressed to make such a deal without sending significant salary back to WPG. PIT is likely loathe to move either player but they may feel that Trouba is more of a sure thing than two players who have had injuries and developmental concerns in the recent past.

TBL - Nikita Nesterov
TBL - Slater Koekkoek

The biggest obstacle here is Tampa Bay's cap issues as they would need to send significant dollars back to even contemplate acquiring Trouba. From WPG's perspective, I doubt these players are as appealing as some of the other names on this list so they may be best to take a pass on taking back a lesser player than Trouba and a cash dump to even the money.

TOR - Morgan Reilly

If TOR didn't hang up the phone laughing immediately after receiving this trade proposal I would be very surprised. Not only is Reilly's stock higher around the league but then Toronto would need to find a top pair LD to fill the gap. Jake Gardiner is not on the list because WPG management is not James Tanner.

VAN - Olli Juolevi

If VAN were able to trade the Sedins and revert to a traditional rebuild model then I would see them holding onto Juolevi but in reality where they are trying to stay competitive for the Sedins they might value the further-developed Trouba more. In any case, I imagine WPG wants someone a little further along on the developmental curve than Juolevi, despite the upside.

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In general, the Jets' potential trading partners are other teams with flawed rosters who have excess left-sided defencemen either on the roster or in the system. In general, I don't think the trade request hurts the value that Winnipeg will get for Trouba as young, skilled right-shot defencemen are hard to come by and the Jets are not under pressure to be contenders this year (so not having Trouba in the lineup while things sort themselves out is not the end of the world - in fact it may create more opportunity for a player like Josh Morrissey to play top 4 minutes).
- shawzy_111

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Nurse/2nd/smallish salary dump

Trouba / 3rd

I think for the Flyers to include a top prospect L handed D man, the Jets would have to take AMac too. No way for the Flyers to afford Trouba's next deal without that.

It would have to be Sanheim or Morin, I don't see Ghost or Provorov getting traded.

I've seen this mentioned a few times and as a Jets fan I completely agree!!
- Ross77

I'd go this route as well. But we'd need to shed some salary . Like at least a mil or two

I think for the Flyers to include a top prospect L handed D man, the Jets would have to take AMac too. No way for the Flyers to afford Trouba's next deal without that.

It would have to be Sanheim or Morin, I don't see Ghost or Provorov getting traded.
- Marc D

To take MacDonald's contract, especially when working to an internal budget like the Jets are, I wouldn't be taking anything less than Provorov. A different salary dump with less term and more utility could work if Sanheim or Morin is the return though.

I'd go this route as well. But we'd need to shed some salary . Like at least a mil or two
- HB77

That's a (frank)ing steal if the Oilers can pull it off.

To take MacDonald's contract, especially when working to an internal budget like the Jets are, I wouldn't be taking anything less than Provorov. A different salary dump with less term and more utility could work if Sanheim or Morin is the return though.
- shawzy_111

the Flyers might have to retain ?1/2 of Amac's salary.
Provorov is probably a deal breaker.

I'm a Flyers fan, and I'm a fan of Trouba...they need that right handed first D pairing player. No way Hextall is trading Provorov though, he's an elite talent they would want playing with Trouba. Sanheim is questionable as well and Ghost is obviously untouchabe. If the Jets are looking for a decent D man who can handle twenty minutes a game I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Del Zotto. He is a lefty who can skate, plays a solid two way game, just turned 26 and is cap friendly. Obviously it takes more...a prospect like Hagg or a pick but Del Zotto is penciled in as a top two D man in Philly this year and would at least bring the Flyers cap down a bit.

how about left side torey krug for trouba and a second round

That's a (frank)ing steal if the Oilers can pull it off.
- Nucker101

Depends on how much one likes trouba and how much one has soured on nurse


I'm a big fan of JT, but I also believe nurse has huge upside

People are too fickle. If Chevy was asking nurse + a ton because of nurses rookie struggles while getting thrown to the wolves on one of the worst groups in the league, I'd say gfy

I'd add a significant piece to nurse, but only in reason. Nurse can still absolutely be a dominant top pairing guy going forward.
I don't want the deal cause I think trouba is neccesarily far better, but more he's ahead in the short term while we need to take steps now. And more importantly he's right handed while nurse is a leftie and we got tons of those.
Not to mention the couple of realities that are driving troubas price down marginally speaking

Depends on how much one likes trouba and how much one has soured on nurse


I'm a big fan of JT, but I also believe nurse has huge upside

People are too fickle. If Chevy was asking nurse + a ton because of nurses rookie struggles while getting thrown to the wolves on one of the worst groups in the league, I'd say gfy

I'd add a significant piece to nurse, but only in reason.
Not to mention the couple of realities that are driving troubas price down marginally speaking
- HB77

But what upside does nurse have? Not offensive at all, unlike trouba.

I'm a Flyers fan, and I'm a fan of Trouba...they need that right handed first D pairing player. No way Hextall is trading Provorov though, he's an elite talent they would want playing with Trouba. Sanheim is questionable as well and Ghost is obviously untouchabe. If the Jets are looking for a decent D man who can handle twenty minutes a game I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Del Zotto. He is a lefty who can skate, plays a solid two way game, just turned 26 and is cap friendly. Obviously it takes more...a prospect like Hagg or a pick but Del Zotto is penciled in as a top two D man in Philly this year and would at least bring the Flyers cap down a bit.
- Slipperypickle

I think the Jets are also looking to replace Trouba's potential, not just his lineup spot. Del Zotto tops out as a #4 behind Enstrom for the Jets and the Jets need someone who can overtake Enstrom and has top-pair potential like Trouba does. That's why most of the options I featured and that others are discussing are not the finished article and why people are discussing top-level prospects coming back.

how about left side torey krug for trouba and a second round
- bosman

That is one player I left off. I don't feel that the Jets would be overly interested in Krug, especially if Morrissey is penciled into the 3D spot. That would give the Jets 3 similar players on that side in Krug, Enstrom, and Morrissey. The other factor is Krug's potential as I can't see him having top 2 potential, which is something that will interest the Jets just as much as the handedness of the player.

But what upside does nurse have? Not offensive at all, unlike trouba.
- Tumbleweed

For sure he does

He's a fantastic skater for his size and absolutely comfortable rushing the puck.
It's one of his best attributes actually .

I can't say that his shot is phenomenal, but neither can I neccesarily say that about trouba. And neither was nurse given any meaningful pp time as a rookie to put up those numbers.

It's not that side of the puck where nurse struggled last year, it's his decision making and lack of insulation on the defensive side. Imo, that'll come with time, and easier minutes in a lower pairing role like he shoulda been in the first place.
Like he'd be in wpg

"Looking at it from the outside, the Jets will be competitive, have the cap space to give him a raise with term, play him plenty & can play him right side every now & again."

Like his play at times, I question Trouba's thoughts and expectations at this time of his career. As quoted above how smart is this guy? As team mate Perrault states, Trouba plays a lot of moments each game already and never dominates. I also like that Perreault questions how much ice time he wants at this stage of his career.

Trouba plays his off side "at times" but could still be rewarded financially for this in the form of a bonus until a RHD spots opens up full time. He hasn't earned the salary he wants and doesn't seem willing to work for it.

I'd be in no hurry to deal him and I would demand a very high return.

It's too bad he was never taught to earn his reward. I wonder what his former college coach and NHL player Red Berenson would think of Trouba's attitude.

I think the Jets are also looking to replace Trouba's potential, not just his lineup spot. Del Zotto tops out as a #4 behind Enstrom for the Jets and the Jets need someone who can overtake Enstrom and has top-pair potential like Trouba does. That's why most of the options I featured and that others are discussing are not the finished article and why people are discussing top-level prospects coming back.
- shawzy_111

The Jets are pretty deep at D, especially on the right side with Stanley on his way as well. I think Del-Zotto slides into that top four easily and Hagg could jump into the NHL as soon as next year with a decent season in the AHL. I do see what you mean though, but the Flyers wouldn't offer more then Sanheim straight up and that doesn't help cap issues. Plus the Jets could get more for Trouba.

The Jets are pretty deep at D, especially on the right side with Stanley on his way as well. I think Del-Zotto slides into that top four easily and Hagg could jump into the NHL as soon as next year with a decent season in the AHL. I do see what you mean though, but the Flyers wouldn't offer more then Sanheim straight up and that doesn't help cap issues. Plus the Jets could get more for Trouba.
- Slipperypickle

No way the Jets take Del-Zotto. He's a UFA after the season and that doesn't really help them down the road...they control Trouba for 4 or 5 more seasons. Knowing how the Jets work, I couldn't see them wanting to be tied to 4 more years of MacDonald either. If something were to happen with Philadelphia it would probably be Sanheim and Streit for Trouba and something else. I'm saying this not knowing how much Philly values Streit though. The Jets would pay Streit his 5.8 for one more season, then he's a UFA. Sanheim gives them something they can control and not worry about losing to Vegas.

For sure he does

He's a fantastic skater for his size and absolutely comfortable rushing the puck.
It's one of his best attributes actually .

I can't say that his shot is phenomenal, but neither can I neccesarily say that about trouba. And neither was nurse given any meaningful pp time as a rookie to put up those numbers.

It's not that side of the puck where nurse struggled last year, it's his decision making and lack of insulation on the defensive side. Imo, that'll come with time, and easier minutes in a lower pairing role like he shoulda been in the first place.
Like he'd be in wpg
- HB77

Doubt he puts up many points; hasn't shown much at any level.

Trouba is way ahead offensively in the nhl

No way the Jets take Del-Zotto. He's a UFA after the season and that doesn't really help them down the road...they control Trouba for 4 or 5 more seasons. Knowing how the Jets work, I couldn't see them wanting to be tied to 4 more years of MacDonald either. If something were to happen with Philadelphia it would probably be Sanheim and Streit for Trouba and something else. I'm saying this not knowing how much Philly values Streit though. The Jets would pay Streit his 5.8 for one more season, then he's a UFA. Sanheim gives them something they can control and not worry about losing to Vegas.
- mcjags

The Flyers would trade Streit for sure especially with Provorov on the way. In fact if they took Streits full contract Hextall might be more inclined to let go of Sanheim.

Allow me to go out on a limb and predict a dirty 3-way here.

To wpg: Cam Fowler
To ana: Mike Cammalleri
to nj : Jacob Trouba

and if youre looking for the jackpot numbers they're 6.8.21.33.35.42.48

youre welcome

Allow me to go out on a limb and predict a dirty 3-way here.

To wpg: Cam Fowler
To ana: Mike Cammalleri
to nj : Jacob Trouba

and if youre looking for the jackpot numbers they're 6.8.21.33.35.42.48

youre welcome
- Max.Betts

Does ANA at least get taken out for a nice dinner before they get bent over?

So they want the same as Trouba back without the contract/attitude hassle or whatever.

yeah, that isn't happening. What possible motivation would the other team have to make a trade like that.